Low-Moderate dose anavar only for strength and speed gains

[czechian]

So what would be the best dosage for powerlifter (to gain strenght)? Iam going to do 60mg/day for 5 weeks. I have 200 10mg tablets. Any other ideas how to split it? 70 mg for 4 weeks or 80 mg for 3 weeks?

 

[mr.sagat]

You would have enough at 60mg for only like 32 days, which is basically 4.5 weeks. I train for strength not for size, and I get better strength gains on a longer cycle at a lower dosage. I wish you had more anavar, but with what you have I would run it for 7 weeks at 40mg. To get the most from your gains be sure to take creatine with it. Anavar increases creatine storage within the muscle cells way more than any other steroid, so take advantage of that!

 

[czechian]

Yeah, Iam doing it only for strenght, I don't want to gain a pound! I want to hold my new -105kg category and I am at 103 kg. I just realized, that I have to stay on 60 mg/day due the detection time. (first meet is very soon).
But that creatine idea, would it be ok even if I don't want to gain?

 

[mr.sagat]

I would take the creatine and just keep an eye on your weight. If you are getting too heavy, slightly lower your carb intake, if that doesn't help cut your calories some. I think if you are not careful you will gain 2kg or more of the var, so be careful. Worst case scenario if you need to drop weight, go into a keto diet about a week before the comp. As long as you throw down some carbs after weigh in, you should be good strength wise.....

 

[thefrogking]

Ok so after a while of sorting training etc out I have decided to run the following cycle:


Here is the proposed cycle plan: Starting February

Week 1-Anavar 50mg/Dbol 20mg
Week 2-Anavar 50mg/Dbol 20mg
Week 3-Anavar 50mg/Dbol 20mg
Week 4-Anavar 75mg/Dbol 20mg
Week 5-Anavar 75mg/Dbol 20mg
Week 6-Anavar 75mg/Dbol 20mg
Week 7-Anavar 75mg/Dbol 20mg

PCT-Nolva (Nolva on hand from start just incase)

Week 8-40 ED
Week 9-40 ED
Week 10-20 ED
Week 11-20 ED

Supplements during cycle

Creatine at around 5-10g per day depending on training
Zinc
Milk Thistle
NAC
Omega 3s etc (already taking **** loads so just continuation of these really)

Supplements after cycle

Trib
ZMA
Saw Palmetto
Zinc

I will be starting it around the start of feb so I can lean out a bit more and get my strength back up after a few weeks off over Christmas for hols lol.

I am really looking forward to seeing what difference it is going to make and I will keep this log updates with routine strength and mass gain updates.

Due to money and living conditions this is the best cycle I can run, I would have like to have got some test prop in there but I will do next time hopefully!

 

[Voijn]

As far as i know Dianabol turns into estrogene, and that is the main reason for the increased strength and weight gain. Sure you could run some AI while doing it, but it would reduce the gains quite abit since estrogene is whats makes it what it is.

I would go for Anavar if you had the money, my mate did 40mg ed "4pills" and increased his bench with 20kg! say what, this guy is by nature a monster and he´d alone been training for 6month meaning that it would probly had made him lot stonger when we was nearing a platue.
7months of training 170kg squats , 170kg deadlifts and 100kg benchs. that not bad imo

Ive done winstrol and it increased my bench with 10kg in reps. did cut my alittle and did become harder, and in better condition since im doing mma

 

[lmm23]

Ok so after a while of sorting training etc out I have decided to run the following cycle:


Here is the proposed cycle plan: Starting February

Week 1-Anavar 50mg/Dbol 20mg
Week 2-Anavar 50mg/Dbol 20mg
Week 3-Anavar 50mg/Dbol 20mg
Week 4-Anavar 75mg/Dbol 20mg
Week 5-Anavar 75mg/Dbol 20mg
Week 6-Anavar 75mg/Dbol 20mg
Week 7-Anavar 75mg/Dbol 20mg

PCT-Nolva (Nolva on hand from start just incase)

Week 8-40 ED
Week 9-40 ED
Week 10-20 ED
Week 11-20 ED

Supplements during cycle

Creatine at around 5-10g per day depending on training
Zinc
Milk Thistle
NAC
Omega 3s etc (already taking **** loads so just continuation of these really)

Supplements after cycle

Trib
ZMA
Saw Palmetto
Zinc

I will be starting it around the start of feb so I can lean out a bit more and get my strength back up after a few weeks off over Christmas for hols lol.

I am really looking forward to seeing what difference it is going to make and I will keep this log updates with routine strength and mass gain updates.

Due to money and living conditions this is the best cycle I can run, I would have like to have got some test prop in there but I will do next time hopefully!

Hey bro,

There was talk in another thread about high performance athletics and d-bol. I took both d'bol and anavar when I was running track, and tried them together in a cycle with halotestin for four weeks (don't do this unless you're unconcerned about your liver!). My experiences with d'bol was that anything over 10mgs made it difficult to be really agile for the purposes of track, and the back pumps made workouts tough (if you're a jumper, be careful here). My opinion is that d'bol for 20mg will definately make you stronger, but it would also change your bodyweight, depending on how responsive you are (this being your first cycle, you'd probably bulk a little on it, even with anavar, IMO).

Another option is to try anavar at the dose you mention with test prop at 50mg every three days, as you say (my choice). Sounds low for BB purposes, but I honestly think that would be enough to give your weights a kick. And don't waste the anavar by not taking creatine, if you can manage cramps and slight weight gain from water (don't load on creatine; just take the maintenance dose before weight sessions).

As you say, winstrol is harsh on tendons. I did a winstrol / test pro only cycle years ago and pulled a tendon in my knee - was out for half the season. Lots of taken it and done really well but equally struggled with injury. (By the way, Ben Johnson thought he was taking furazabol but it was winny. He won Olympic gold but with tendonitis in his achilles. Case in point).

One note of caution with the Nolva, some athletes have tested positive for it in the past. This has given them a ban but also led to lots of other testing as authorities have tried to get to the bottom of why they were taking it. I'm not sure how long nolva stays in the system, but bear that in mind.

Also, just a thought: you could always shorten the cycle to 4 weeks and take hcgenerate throughout just in case you get suppression, and then take unleashed for a month afterwards. I used to feel crap if I tried to continue training post-cycle taking nolva / clomid, etc. If you get bloat during the cycle, take forma-stanzol. (I don't know what clearance time would be for this). I really wish these products were available when I was running track.

Oh, and don't disregard the value of a bridge / unleashed / gear / needtoslin 'cycle' for what you're after. Easy on the system and you can evaluate your need for steroids afterwards. Depending on where you are with your career, you might one day (with the exception of bridge which would show on a test) have to work with these kinds of products to keep ahead but avoid drug positives (unless you go for sarms, hgh, peptides, insulin, etc.).

Would like to know how you get on...

 

[thefrogking]

Hey bro,

There was talk in another thread about high performance athletics and d-bol. I took both d'bol and anavar when I was running track, and tried them together in a cycle with halotestin for four weeks (don't do this unless you're unconcerned about your liver!). My experiences with d'bol was that anything over 10mgs made it difficult to be really agile for the purposes of track, and the back pumps made workouts tough (if you're a jumper, be careful here). My opinion is that d'bol for 20mg will definately make you stronger, but it would also change your bodyweight, depending on how responsive you are (this being your first cycle, you'd probably bulk a little on it, even with anavar, IMO).

Another option is to try anavar at the dose you mention with test prop at 50mg every three days, as you say (my choice). Sounds low for BB purposes, but I honestly think that would be enough to give your weights a kick. And don't waste the anavar by not taking creatine, if you can manage cramps and slight weight gain from water (don't load on creatine; just take the maintenance dose before weight sessions).

As you say, winstrol is harsh on tendons. I did a winstrol / test pro only cycle years ago and pulled a tendon in my knee - was out for half the season. Lots of taken it and done really well but equally struggled with injury. (By the way, Ben Johnson thought he was taking furazabol but it was winny. He won Olympic gold but with tendonitis in his achilles. Case in point).

One note of caution with the Nolva, some athletes have tested positive for it in the past. This has given them a ban but also led to lots of other testing as authorities have tried to get to the bottom of why they were taking it. I'm not sure how long nolva stays in the system, but bear that in mind.

Also, just a thought: you could always shorten the cycle to 4 weeks and take hcgenerate throughout just in case you get suppression, and then take unleashed for a month afterwards. I used to feel crap if I tried to continue training post-cycle taking nolva / clomid, etc. If you get bloat during the cycle, take forma-stanzol. (I don't know what clearance time would be for this). I really wish these products were available when I was running track.

Oh, and don't disregard the value of a bridge / unleashed / gear / needtoslin 'cycle' for what you're after. Easy on the system and you can evaluate your need for steroids afterwards. Depending on where you are with your career, you might one day (with the exception of bridge which would show on a test) have to work with these kinds of products to keep ahead but avoid drug positives (unless you go for sarms, hgh, peptides, insulin, etc.).

Would like to know how you get on...

Thanks for the info dude, much appreciated!

I agree about the d-bol so I have got taurine prepared just incase and if I am seriously impaired to do my track work then I will lower the dosage or possibly switch track sessions.

I will keep this log updated about strength and athletic gains.

 

[vmapper]

Your a powerlifter? Dbol and you gaining weight depends on diet. Add an AI and you wont bloat.
Anavar at 30mg is a waste.. Stay at 50mg. Anavar is not a strength compound.

You clearly no nothing of Anabolics.
Oh yea, just throw in an AI, Eh hem, most powerlifting events are tested, your pretty careless not knowing detection times of many AIs.
Also, You are 100% dead wrong that oxandrolone is NOT for strength.
Is sure IS!
Synergistic with Creatine Mono and voala strength from hell!
even at 30mg doses. I guess the 'anavar' you tried was junk.

DBOL for any powerlifter or track is the WORST choice hands down, depending on person, Raises the blood pressure 10 fold, Tons of water retention, and a very short lived drug. By the time your off and its 5 weeks detection, any gain is LONG gone... DBOL is a start drug(for the impatient) for a cylce or a bridge, nothing else.

You will notice very good strength taking 30mg var with creatine.
Dose 8am / 1pm and no later than 6. This maximized blood lipids with its roughly 9hour half life.

Hmm Dbol = very little strength gains after your done
Var = Quite opposite = keep most of the gains.
Var detection time roughly 16 days.
Dbol 37-40.

Quit spreading GARBAGE info on the internet.
btw... who gave you a pro card?
lol

 

[thefrogking]

Day 4 (Running 75mg Var/ 20mg Dbol Daily)

Feeling some good workout aggression. The weights are feeling lighter and easier, still nothing major happening yet.
No pumps or sides but no real gains except for workout quality.