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HUCK , MACRO , FONZ , vets , mods -Can you still GROW on a VERY LOW CALORIE diet ?

Fonz said:
1. Some proteins are more bio-available than others regarding nitrogen retention.
Whey would be a 1.0. meat about 0.82 etc.... So, 300g protein isn't 300g nitrogen, it's a bit less. Probably around 240-260g for us since we drink a lot of protein shakes. The rest of the nitrogen gets excreted. So, if you want MAXIMAL results aim to get your protein that has extremely high bio-availability.....0.9+/1.0

One other thing, during the first week or so, your body will be overwhelmed by the massive protein intake, and you'll probably lose half of it taking dumps throughout the day. So increment your protein intake gradually over the course of 2 weeks until you get to your desired protein intake. That should let your body adapt to the change in diet.

Excellent points that should not be overlooked.

Thanks Fonz
 
I think you have to look at muscle gain on a 24hr basis. Say you have a period of hypertrophy perhaps whilst you are asleep. Then in the morning you do some cardio burn an amount of fat which may continue for sometime depending what you eat. Then perhaps you might have a postive energy + nitrogen balance later in the day conducive to muscle growth. So al in all you built muscle and lost fat in the same day even if it is on a a very small scale...
The degree to which this is a successfull process relies heavily on genetics - number 1. Also how clever you have managed you diet and training to acheive this purpose.

So I think muscle gain and fat loss can be acheived at the same time even though this is probably not the optimal way of doing things.......
 
Muscle gain and fat loss? totally doable.

Strict C.K.D with refeeds and training schedule a la Body Opus. The addition of the appropriate supplementation is a good notch up, of course.
 
Fonz said:
Lowest fat% you can go is 15% of overral calories to get your necessary EFA's. Remember(You already pointed this out) is to eat as much protein as possible BUT, and here's what we'ver forgotten.

1. Some proteins are more bio-available than others regarding nitrogen retention.

Whey would be a 1.0. meat about 0.82 etc.... So, 300g protein isn't 300g nitrogen, it's a bit less. Probably around 240-260g for us since we drink a lot of protein shakes. The rest of the nitrogen gets excreted. So, if you want MAXIMAL results aim to get your protein that has extremely high bio-availability.....0.9+/1.0

I'd also go with Huck's recommedation of 65% Protein....with about 15% fat and 20% carbs(Anyhting less than 20% carbs and you're basically keto).

And also, use those 20% carbs ENTIRELY for your post workout shake.

You can use prop, not a problem. It'll probably enhanve your results. I just can't stand the pain of injecting it.

One other thing, during the first week or so, your body will be overwhelmed by the massive protein intake, and you'll probably lose half of it taking dumps throughout the day. So increment your protein intake gradually over the course of 2 weeks until you get to your desired protein intake. That should let your body adapt to the change in diet.


Thanks Fonz, very sound advice. Yes, in order to increase nitrogen when I diet I try getting my 65% of protein almost exclusively from whey. drinking a whey shake 90% whey 10% casein (even if it's just a small one) every 2 hours will probably keep blood aminos and nitrogen at it's highest.
 
this is the best stack that i have ever ran. you get great vasularity your as hard as a mortar brick and your mind stay's sane.. and its very very very anti-catabolic.
 
georgie24 said:
this is the best stack that i have ever ran. you get great vasularity your as hard as a mortar brick and your mind stay's sane.. and its very very very anti-catabolic.


Yeah , I am going on a 18 weeks cycle , first 7 weeks will be BULK then 11 weeks cuttting . On the bulking phase I will use HGH , SUST , EQ and PRIMO because I want a very CLEAN BULK . I will look pretty LEAN even when bulking . Then I will switch to prop , and a mix fina , win , var and masteron , oh and also the HGH . This is gonna be some hardocore shit :)


Victor
 
im looking to add hgh to the mix as well. but right now im more than happy with the results. i think i gotta use a lil bit of npp just to get my shoulders mobile again.
 
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