HUCK , MACRO , FONZ , vets , mods -Can you still GROW on a VERY LOW CALORIE diet ?

[Jenetic]

Well, man It happened , I really don't understand why do you hesitate to believe this
Victor

Have you read everything posted in detail?

There have been many valid points that have been made. Even things that should arouse new questions in your mind.

Didn't you say that you were and endomorph?

Read bro! A selective memory won't help you anywhere in life.

Let me make you happy.

You're right I'm wrong. End of conversation.

 

[VictorBR]

winny is the sickest steroid!

yep I really love them.


Victor

 

[VictorBR]

Have you read everything posted in detail?

There have been many valid points that have been made. Even things that should arouse new questions in your mind.

Didn't you say that you were and endomorph?

Read bro!

Let me make you happy.

You're right I'm wrong. End of conversation.

>>>> I read . Just because Macro said it wouldn't work for him with my diet , so what ? My metabolism is probably different than his , we are all different .
I am paranoid about being an endo , but I am pretty sure that the truth is that I am an endo-mesomorph.


Victor

 

[Jenetic]

Both of those are certainly relevent factors,particularly if no anabolics are used.Cortisol will definitely be something to watch out for,as sub-cal/stress are wonderful catalysts for its release(can you say achy joints?).This is where something like anavar,winstrol or fina(which all modulate the gluccocoticoid system)would be HIGHLY beneficial,and another reason why so many folks prefer them during cutting cycles.

Would this be a safe conclusion?

For a yes or no answer on this topic, it would be yes, in the presence of AAS, but very difficult to do.

Also, for the people who are natural, it would not be recomended due to the many catabolic factors involved.

Thanks for your input Fonz. Definitely not overlooked and very much appreciated. I'll hit you with the Karma when the system let's me.

 

[dzulboy]

it is possible i will argue this with anyone till theyare dead

 

[GoldenDelicious]

omg no flames, take a photo

 

[georgie24]

this thread is far from over.....

 

[junk]

Personally, if I couldn't meet my caloric requirements due to whatever cause and still wanted to grow i would use:

Tren 75mg ED/Winstrol 50mg ED(or EOD)/Anavar 50mg ED

Winstrol, Trenbolone, and Anavar are the best AAS at increasing Nitrogen retention, and therfore letting you gain muscle even at hypocaloric diets.
Of course, like Huck said eating enough protein is totally essential. No protein = no nitrogen.

Hey Fonz,

1)Fonz, unlike Huck, I'm far from being endomorph. I'm more like a hardgainer, not exactly even an ectomorph because I loose fat easily but also gain easily. I feel I have somewhat a bodytype like yours. What macro nutrients profile would you follow if you would wanted to pack some lbm on a hypo caloric diet ? I'm thinking about 60% protein, 20%fat, 20% carbs. Nitrogen should be plenty with 60% of calories coming from protein, and since I'm on Fina, even on 20% of carbs consumtions workouts should still be productive. What do you think?

2) You didn't add prop to the tren, var combo, i guess adding 100mg of prop EOD wouldn't hurt would it?

Thanks (karma your way)

 

[Fonz]

Hey Fonz,

1)Fonz, unlike Huck, I'm far from being endomorph. I'm more like a hardgainer, not exactly even an ectomorph because I loose fat easily but also gain easily. I feel I have somewhat a bodytype like yours. What macro nutrients profile would you follow if you would wanted to pack some lbm on a hypo caloric diet ? I'm thinking about 60% protein, 20%fat, 20% carbs. Nitrogen should be plenty with 60% of calories coming from protein, and since I'm on Fina, even on 20% of carbs consumtions workouts should still be productive. What do you think?

2) You didn't add prop to the tren, var combo, i guess adding 100mg of prop EOD wouldn't hurt would it?

Thanks (karma your way)

Lowest fat% you can go is 15% of overral calories to get your necessary EFA's. Remember(You already pointed this out) is to eat as much protein as possible BUT, and here's what we'ver forgotten.

1. Some proteins are more bio-available than others regarding nitrogen retention.

Whey would be a 1.0. meat about 0.82 etc.... So, 300g protein isn't 300g nitrogen, it's a bit less. Probably around 240-260g for us since we drink a lot of protein shakes. The rest of the nitrogen gets excreted. So, if you want MAXIMAL results aim to get your protein that has extremely high bio-availability.....0.9+/1.0

I'd also go with Huck's recommedation of 65% Protein....with about 15% fat and 20% carbs(Anyhting less than 20% carbs and you're basically keto).

And also, use those 20% carbs ENTIRELY for your post workout shake.

You can use prop, not a problem. It'll probably enhanve your results. I just can't stand the pain of injecting it.

One other thing, during the first week or so, your body will be overwhelmed by the massive protein intake, and you'll probably lose half of it taking dumps throughout the day. So increment your protein intake gradually over the course of 2 weeks until you get to your desired protein intake. That should let your body adapt to the change in diet.

 

[satchboogie]

this is gettin very interesting..
major bump!