HUCK , MACRO , FONZ , vets , mods -Can you still GROW on a VERY LOW CALORIE diet ?

[Ttokkyo Jack]

It is possible, especially when you are at a higher bf%, and on gear. However, I do think that there is a limit to this, and as you progress it becomes much harder to accomplish this feat.

 

[VictorBR]

you have a good point .

I think the more muscle you have the harder it would be to eat low cals and still grow

but it is harder anyway , the more muscle you put , the harder it gets to put more , either by eating a lot or eating few cals. Anyway it will get harder .


Victor

 

[georgie24]

here we go..............

 

[Jenetic]

Absolutely IMPOSSIBLE!

It is physiologically impossible to grow if your calories are below your maintenance level. You muscles appear larger when cutting due to a lower bf %, but to increase lbm while on a caloric deficient diet is definitely a stretch.

Law of Energy Conservation

Energy cannot be created or destroyed but may be transformed from one kind to another.

Laws of Thermodynamics

Work and heat are mutually convertible (may be converted from one form to another). The change in a system's internal energy is equal to the heat absorbed (calories in) from the environment minus work done (calories out) on the environment.

In other words, if your fat (energy) storage is increasing, it is coming from the amount of food (energy) you consume compared to the amount of energy you expend.

Laws of Thermodynamics Applied to the Human Energy System

Where E = energy expressed in calories, which is a measurement of heat.

1. If E in (food consumption) = E out (total bodywork), then body fat or weight remains stable.

2. If E in > E out, then body fat or weight is gained.

3. If E in < E out, then body fat or weight is lost.

Victor,

I have a few questions. Please elaborate. BTW, No flame intended:

1. What were your calculations based upon? How did you determine your maintenance calories (BMR)? Age, Height, Weight, Activity Level ect...?

2. How did you determine your daily caloric intake? Around 2,500 cal is not good enough for an argument such as this.

3. How did you determine your caloric expenditure during your workout? Anaerobic vs. Aerobic?

4. Proffesionally tested? Just because he is a professional doesn't mean he is any good at what he does.

5. How did you measure your water weight? Was there some initial calculation perfomed to show a difference in regards to your results?

Approximate figures are not good enough which is the problem for an agrument such as this. Many people think they count their calories but are way off in reality. If your intial basline calculations were off, your answers would be inacurrate as well.

Regardless, I am happy to hear you had good results with the cycle. Just think what you could have gained with an increase to your caloric intake and adjustment in your macronutrient ratios.

I would be interested if any could provide any studies or hard evidence that link the any of the factors such as the Law of Thermodynamics to Hypertrophy or any other factors that I am missing or unaware of. This would be greatly appreciated as well as helpful in proving a point such as gaining muscle while in a caloric defecit.

Jenetic

 

[VictorBR]

1. What were your calculations based upon? How did you determine your maintenance calories? Age, Height, Weight, Activity Level ect...?

>>> ANyone can find the BMR formula on the net , just click BMR on google .
It is that easy

2. How did you determine your daily caloric intake? Around 2,500 cal is not good enough for an argument such as this.

>>>> WOW , How did I determine ? Hummm lemme guess , by reading the LABELS on the foods I buy on the market .? How is that ? there is also this thing called GOOGLE and you can type the name of the food and the word calorie ,and he will show results

3. Proffesionally tested? Just because he is a professional doesn't mean he is any good at what he does.

>>> EVEN if he is not good at what he does , It is the same person , and the same weight scale , so if the SAME guy measures 20 % and then he measures 10 % bodyfat , you made a progress . EVEN IF you was 25 % and now 15 % . The same thing with a scale , the same scale used all time , even if it is OFF , you can see the results . I think you got the point

4. How did you measure your water weight? Was there some initial calculation perfomed to show a difference in regards to your results?

>>>> THe drugs that I have used would not cause water retention , I was looking a LOT leaner and BIGGER and drinking tons of water , I just couldn't be holding any water .


Yeah , I could have gained a lot more MUSCLE by eating 4000 cals a day , that is for SURE , I agree with you , but by eating 4000 cals a day I wouldn't be able to lose any fat at ALL . It is a double edge sword :

1- EAT LESS , GROW LESS , BUT LOSE FAT .

2- EAT MORE , GROW MORE , BUT DON'T LOSE FAT .

You choose.

Accept the truth my man , I am going against the LAWS of THERMODYNAMICS , hell yeah I am going against them .

Victor

 

[Jenetic]

Approximate figures are not good enough which is the problem for an agrument such as this. Many people think they count their calories but are way off in reality. If your intial basline calculations were off, your answers would be inacurrate as well.

I would be interested if any could provide any studies or hard evidence that link the any of the factors such as the Law of Thermodynamics to Hypertrophy or any other factors that I am missing or unaware of. This would be greatly appreciated as well as helpful in proving a point such as gaining muscle while in a caloric defecit.

Jenetic

Your answers are still vague

 

[VictorBR]

" Your answers are still vague

If you were that detailed I'm sure you would have a word file or excel spreadsheet documenting the details that I have requested. Without them, you really don't have an argument. "


>>> Yep I can't prove , all I have is my WORD . You can choose to believe it or not .


Victor

 

[The Terminator]

There are MANY other factors which I dont know if you have taken into consideration...

An advanced athlete will find it near impossible...
A beginner can probably pack on muscle even on a very restricted caloric diet...

Personally all I do is shrink up on anything under 5,000 calories a day...I'm such an extreme exctomorph though

Its 2 AM, and my brain cant get anymore indepth than that right now

 

[VictorBR]

let's say at that time , I was something between an advanced athlete and a beginner .


Victor

 

[x_muscle]

i like milk