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best bet is to get biotest powerdrive. for me it works better than straight l-tyro. any tyrosine product must be taken on an empty stomach for it to work. first thing in the morning and 20 min bef every meal is good.
How much L-Tyrosine for adrenal support
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There was a discussion of misc.fitness.weights. Do a search for "tyrosine and ECA" on dejanews. Anyway, from what I could gather, tyrosine is a precursor to ephinephrine and norephinephrine. When combined with ECA, which causes the release of ephinephrine and norephinephrine, it potentiates the effects.
After two months of ECA, 6-8 Ripped Fuels, I wasn't feeling anything except a nasty headache from caffine withdrawl on the weekends. So, I started taking 1000mg Tyrosine along with 2 Ripped Fuels. The stimulant effects of ECA have returned in a pleasant , not jittery manner) and now I feel warm all over from the combo.
From my experiences, I highly recommend taking tyrosine with ECA. Would also taking Grapefruit extract give me an even greater kick?
After two months of ECA, 6-8 Ripped Fuels, I wasn't feeling anything except a nasty headache from caffine withdrawl on the weekends. So, I started taking 1000mg Tyrosine along with 2 Ripped Fuels. The stimulant effects of ECA have returned in a pleasant , not jittery manner) and now I feel warm all over from the combo.
From my experiences, I highly recommend taking tyrosine with ECA. Would also taking Grapefruit extract give me an even greater kick?
Doktor Bollix
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You'd get better answers on the supplement board. Biotest's POwerdrive is good, but it has 200 mg of Ginkgo Biloba per serving which gave me a headache like a frickin' brain tumor. I could only take fractions of a serving and then there wasn't enough of the other shit in there. Some of the other brain fuel type concoctions are loaded with L-phenylalinine, a precursor to L-tyrosine, which can dangerously raise the blood pressures of people on steroids, anyway:
Here's the lowdown on L-Tyrosine:
http://www.mindfixers.com/tyrosine.html
L-Tyrosine
L-Tyrosine is an amino acid. Your body uses it to produce
dopamine
norepinephrine (noradrenaline)
epinephrine (adrenaline)
These are some of the main neurotransmitters in the brain. Attention deficit disorder can be caused by not enough dopamine or norepinephrine. Low levels of tyrosine, therefore, can result in ADD.
What happens in this case is that the neo-cortex of the brain basically shuts down. This is the part of the brain that allows you to pay attention. Without enough dopamine and norepinephrine, all the effort in the world won't help much.
That is why tyrosine is important. More tyrosine means more dopamine and norepinephrine. As a result, the neo-cortex can now function properly, and you can pay attention.
L-Tyrosine can also be helpful for people with
chronic fatigue
narcolepsy
anxiety
depression
low sex drive
allergies
headaches1
L-tyrosine aids in the functions of the adrenal, thyroid and pituitary glands. It is converted into thyroid hormone, or thyroxin,
"which plays an important role in controlling metabolic rate, skin health, mental health, and growth rate. Tyrosine is specifically used to treat depression because it is a precursor for those neurotransmitters that are responsible for transmitting nerve impulses and essential for preventing depression."2
Amino acids are the 20 building blocks of protein. Some amino acids are essential, and others are non-essential. Essential means that your body cannot produce them and so you must get them from your diet. Non-essential amino acids can be produced by your body from the essential amino acids.
L-Tyrosine is a non-essential amino acid for most people, because your body can produce it from phenylalanine. (Some people have a genetic disease called phenylketonuria, or PKU, which prevents their bodies from converting phenylalanine into tyrosine.)
Amino acids come in two forms, L- and D-, which are mirror images of each other. The L- form is found in food, and is generally the form used in our bodies.
You can get some tyrosine in your diet, from such foods as
fish
poultry
almonds
avocados
bananas
dairy products
lima beans
pumpkin seeds
sesame seeds3
Although tyrosine can be produced in our bodies, the question is whether you have enough tyrosine in your body to produce sufficient quantities of neurotransmitters.
People who have ADD/ADHD, that is, inattentive or hyperactive ADD, may wish to take extra tyrosine, either from their diet or in the form of supplements, to increase their dopamine and norepinephrine.
Who should avoid tyrosine
Before discussing how much tyrosine to take, you must be aware that tyrosine must be avoided if you are taking
monoamine oxidase (MAO) inhibitors
tricyclic anti-depressants
serotonin re-uptake inhibitors (SSRIs) such as Prozac
Also avoid tyrosine if you are taking other pharmaceutical drugs used to treat mental or emotional conditions, such as depression.
Avoid tyrosine if you have high blood pressure, muscular dystrophy or cancer, especially malignant melanoma.
Avoid tyrosine if you are subject to heart palpitations.
If you have a thyroid condition, such as hypo-thyroidism, don't take tyrosine without first consulting your doctor.
If you have glaucoma, discuss the use of tyrosine with your doctor. Tyrosine is a stimulant (since it produces dopamine), and other stimulant drugs, such as Ritalin, are not to be taken if you have glaucoma.
Dosages and Side Effects
Tyrosine comes in tablets of 100 mg or 500 mg, or in powder form.
According to Dr. Ray Sahelian, M.D., if you are taking supplemental tyrosine, you should start with 50 mg and slowly work your way up to higher levels. Observe very carefully what effects it is having, beneficial or otherwise. Discontinue if it causes irritation, anxiety or digestive problems.4
Dr. Sahelian warns to be careful of your dosage of tyrosine if you are taking other stimulants. The effects of stimulants can be cumulative. He mentions DMAE, CDP-choline, pantothenic acid, methyl donors, ALC, CoQ10, DHEA, pregnenolone, St. John's wort, and ginseng.5
Tyrosine supplements should be taken either on an empty stomach, with water, or with carbohydrate meals. This is so it doesn't have to compete for absorption with other amino acids, from protein food.
According to Leon Chaitow, N.D., D.O.,
"A high protein meal will increase blood and brain tyrosine to a degree but not enough to effect neurotransmitter synthesis greatly."6
"Tyrosine has been found to be most effective when there exists a deficiency state. Patients who have previously responded to amphetamines may respond well to tyrosine therapy."7
"small doses of tyrosine are more effective in increasing brain levels of neurotransmitters than large doses. Although blood and brain levels of tyrosine will increase with large doses, there appears to be an inhibition of the enzyme tyrosine hydroxylase which converts tyrosine to neurotransmitters, when large amounts of tyrosine are present."8
The Life Extension Foundation (LEF) suggests a daily dosage of L-Tyrosine of from 500 mg to 1500 mg, to fight depression.9 Presumably, in recommending such dosages, they are thinking of adults, not children.
The editors of The Natural Pharmacy point out that clinical studies in which tyrosine was used for a variety of conditions involved dosages of up to 7 grams (7000 mg). They add that it is unclear if such large dosages are necessary.10
LEF points out that clinical studies in which blood levels of subjects were raised to three times the level of controls were not accompanied by any evidence of side effects.11
According to The Natural Pharmacy,
"Tyrosine is not generally associated with side effects. Vitamin B6, folic acid and copper are necessary for conversion of tyrosine into neurotransmitters."12
Contrast that with the side effect profiles of pharmacological stimulants, not to mention their cost, and L-Tyrosine looks like a safe, natural and cost-conscious alternative.
Notes:
1. Prescription for Nutritional Healing, third edition, by Phyllis Balch, CNC, and James F. Balch, M.D., Avery, 2000, pp. 51-2.
2. Disease Prevention and Treatment, third edition, Melanie Segala, ed., published by the Life Extension Foundation, 2000, p. 536.
3. Balch, p. 52.
4. Mind Boosters, by Dr. Ray Sahelian, M.D., St. Martin's Griffin, 2000, pp. 142-3.
5. Sahelian, p. 142.
6. Thorson's Guide to Amino Acids, by Leon Chaitow, Thorson's, 1991, pp. 73-4.
7. Chaitow, p. 74.
8. Chaitow, p. 74.
9. Segala, p. 235.
10. The Natural Pharmacy, by Schuyler Lininger et al., Healthnotes Inc., 1999, p. 335.
11. Segala, p. 537.
12. Lininger et al., p. 335.
Also, It has been shown to have minor Growth Hormone stimulation properties
Here's the lowdown on L-Tyrosine:
http://www.mindfixers.com/tyrosine.html
L-Tyrosine
L-Tyrosine is an amino acid. Your body uses it to produce
dopamine
norepinephrine (noradrenaline)
epinephrine (adrenaline)
These are some of the main neurotransmitters in the brain. Attention deficit disorder can be caused by not enough dopamine or norepinephrine. Low levels of tyrosine, therefore, can result in ADD.
What happens in this case is that the neo-cortex of the brain basically shuts down. This is the part of the brain that allows you to pay attention. Without enough dopamine and norepinephrine, all the effort in the world won't help much.
That is why tyrosine is important. More tyrosine means more dopamine and norepinephrine. As a result, the neo-cortex can now function properly, and you can pay attention.
L-Tyrosine can also be helpful for people with
chronic fatigue
narcolepsy
anxiety
depression
low sex drive
allergies
headaches1
L-tyrosine aids in the functions of the adrenal, thyroid and pituitary glands. It is converted into thyroid hormone, or thyroxin,
"which plays an important role in controlling metabolic rate, skin health, mental health, and growth rate. Tyrosine is specifically used to treat depression because it is a precursor for those neurotransmitters that are responsible for transmitting nerve impulses and essential for preventing depression."2
Amino acids are the 20 building blocks of protein. Some amino acids are essential, and others are non-essential. Essential means that your body cannot produce them and so you must get them from your diet. Non-essential amino acids can be produced by your body from the essential amino acids.
L-Tyrosine is a non-essential amino acid for most people, because your body can produce it from phenylalanine. (Some people have a genetic disease called phenylketonuria, or PKU, which prevents their bodies from converting phenylalanine into tyrosine.)
Amino acids come in two forms, L- and D-, which are mirror images of each other. The L- form is found in food, and is generally the form used in our bodies.
You can get some tyrosine in your diet, from such foods as
fish
poultry
almonds
avocados
bananas
dairy products
lima beans
pumpkin seeds
sesame seeds3
Although tyrosine can be produced in our bodies, the question is whether you have enough tyrosine in your body to produce sufficient quantities of neurotransmitters.
People who have ADD/ADHD, that is, inattentive or hyperactive ADD, may wish to take extra tyrosine, either from their diet or in the form of supplements, to increase their dopamine and norepinephrine.
Who should avoid tyrosine
Before discussing how much tyrosine to take, you must be aware that tyrosine must be avoided if you are taking
monoamine oxidase (MAO) inhibitors
tricyclic anti-depressants
serotonin re-uptake inhibitors (SSRIs) such as Prozac
Also avoid tyrosine if you are taking other pharmaceutical drugs used to treat mental or emotional conditions, such as depression.
Avoid tyrosine if you have high blood pressure, muscular dystrophy or cancer, especially malignant melanoma.
Avoid tyrosine if you are subject to heart palpitations.
If you have a thyroid condition, such as hypo-thyroidism, don't take tyrosine without first consulting your doctor.
If you have glaucoma, discuss the use of tyrosine with your doctor. Tyrosine is a stimulant (since it produces dopamine), and other stimulant drugs, such as Ritalin, are not to be taken if you have glaucoma.
Dosages and Side Effects
Tyrosine comes in tablets of 100 mg or 500 mg, or in powder form.
According to Dr. Ray Sahelian, M.D., if you are taking supplemental tyrosine, you should start with 50 mg and slowly work your way up to higher levels. Observe very carefully what effects it is having, beneficial or otherwise. Discontinue if it causes irritation, anxiety or digestive problems.4
Dr. Sahelian warns to be careful of your dosage of tyrosine if you are taking other stimulants. The effects of stimulants can be cumulative. He mentions DMAE, CDP-choline, pantothenic acid, methyl donors, ALC, CoQ10, DHEA, pregnenolone, St. John's wort, and ginseng.5
Tyrosine supplements should be taken either on an empty stomach, with water, or with carbohydrate meals. This is so it doesn't have to compete for absorption with other amino acids, from protein food.
According to Leon Chaitow, N.D., D.O.,
"A high protein meal will increase blood and brain tyrosine to a degree but not enough to effect neurotransmitter synthesis greatly."6
"Tyrosine has been found to be most effective when there exists a deficiency state. Patients who have previously responded to amphetamines may respond well to tyrosine therapy."7
"small doses of tyrosine are more effective in increasing brain levels of neurotransmitters than large doses. Although blood and brain levels of tyrosine will increase with large doses, there appears to be an inhibition of the enzyme tyrosine hydroxylase which converts tyrosine to neurotransmitters, when large amounts of tyrosine are present."8
The Life Extension Foundation (LEF) suggests a daily dosage of L-Tyrosine of from 500 mg to 1500 mg, to fight depression.9 Presumably, in recommending such dosages, they are thinking of adults, not children.
The editors of The Natural Pharmacy point out that clinical studies in which tyrosine was used for a variety of conditions involved dosages of up to 7 grams (7000 mg). They add that it is unclear if such large dosages are necessary.10
LEF points out that clinical studies in which blood levels of subjects were raised to three times the level of controls were not accompanied by any evidence of side effects.11
According to The Natural Pharmacy,
"Tyrosine is not generally associated with side effects. Vitamin B6, folic acid and copper are necessary for conversion of tyrosine into neurotransmitters."12
Contrast that with the side effect profiles of pharmacological stimulants, not to mention their cost, and L-Tyrosine looks like a safe, natural and cost-conscious alternative.
Notes:
1. Prescription for Nutritional Healing, third edition, by Phyllis Balch, CNC, and James F. Balch, M.D., Avery, 2000, pp. 51-2.
2. Disease Prevention and Treatment, third edition, Melanie Segala, ed., published by the Life Extension Foundation, 2000, p. 536.
3. Balch, p. 52.
4. Mind Boosters, by Dr. Ray Sahelian, M.D., St. Martin's Griffin, 2000, pp. 142-3.
5. Sahelian, p. 142.
6. Thorson's Guide to Amino Acids, by Leon Chaitow, Thorson's, 1991, pp. 73-4.
7. Chaitow, p. 74.
8. Chaitow, p. 74.
9. Segala, p. 235.
10. The Natural Pharmacy, by Schuyler Lininger et al., Healthnotes Inc., 1999, p. 335.
11. Segala, p. 537.
12. Lininger et al., p. 335.
Also, It has been shown to have minor Growth Hormone stimulation properties
drveejay11
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arjuna said:There was a discussion of misc.fitness.weights. Do a search for "tyrosine and ECA" on dejanews. Anyway, from what I could gather, tyrosine is a precursor to ephinephrine and norephinephrine. When combined with ECA, which causes the release of ephinephrine and norephinephrine, it potentiates the effects.
After two months of ECA, 6-8 Ripped Fuels, I wasn't feeling anything except a nasty headache from caffine withdrawl on the weekends. So, I started taking 1000mg Tyrosine along with 2 Ripped Fuels. The stimulant effects of ECA have returned in a pleasant , not jittery manner) and now I feel warm all over from the combo.
Thanks bro
drveejay11
New member
Thanx a LOT Dr Bollix!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Look/search for a thread on the supplement board regarding the use of Tyrosine from about six months ago. Someone asked this same question, and I gave the exact metabolic pathway for its breakdown. I was somewhere around 6 months ago or so...give or take a few.
I have used L-tyrosine in the past with pretty good results when coming off my ECY stacks.
BMJ
I have used L-tyrosine in the past with pretty good results when coming off my ECY stacks.
BMJ
drveejay11
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Thanx for the replies...
Bumpin' for any knowledgeable supplement junkies out there?
Bumpin' for any knowledgeable supplement junkies out there?
drveejay11
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Bump again.... 
MiniColemans
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good info, bump 
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