Gotta have carbs to burn fat

[TheProject]

While we have this dialogue going... any idea where there is now a STAR under my green karma dot????? I'm lost as to what it means, cuz I didn't go platinum.

The more posts you have, the more stars you get. You go platinum, you get fancy stars, like spats.

 

[Pink Space Biscuit]

on low carb days is it ok to have oatmeal in the mornning? and do u add up the veg carbs like spinach? what about pre workout a lil like 15 grams of carbs from oatmeal and then after workout i have simple carbs n whey..?

Even on low carb day oatmeal is one of the best carbs out there. You still need some! And personally I never count green veggies.

 

[SteelWeaver]

Gladi - if you need some more numbers, check out this thread - was very helpful to me.

http://boards.elitefitness.com/forum/showthread.php?s=&threadid=85801

 

[rez]

Pre and Post workout meals ARE exceptions to the rule. I train at 6:30AM, so I almost always have oats before, and that's 27g of CHO right there. Then post workout sugars bring the grand total to about 50, and I'm through for the day (on a low day/cutting) with the exception of green veggies.

Spatts, have you ever posted your lowcarb day diet? Ide really like to see it if you have a copy. Have u recently changed your postw/o meal?

 

[KBgrl]

I have a headache

 

[NY Muscle]

Ive tried every diet in the world, I lost 75lbs back in 1994, and that was low fat low cal, lotsa cardio aka the muscle and fat loss diet....not until i started low carbing did i start losing fat and just fat and in the quickest time...IMO nothing beats low carbs...CKD's are great but TKD(targeted ketogenic diet) cant be beat....this is where you drink soem carbs before and/or after a workout, so you constantly have the energy/fuel to workout and can be back in ketosis a few hours after your workout.....this keeps the pump during the workout that usually goes away on a CKD.....and this allows for continual fat loss and the fat loss doesnt slow down liek on most low carb or any diet for that matter......also about every 10 days or so i would eat high carbs low fat and high protein... i have th worst genetics and low carb diets without a doubt are superior to the standard low fat moderat to high carbs and high protein diets...normal carb rotation IMO doesnt let you hit ketosis so the fat loss is slower, and with the carbs pre and post workout on a TKD your workouts are fine if not superior then when on carb cycling because your body soaks up the carbs so fast since you have been depriving yoruself of carbs, that the pump in the gym is amazing.

 

[Gladiola]

i have th worst genetics

If that is you in the avatar, then you certainly have made a fabulous achievement in spite of those genetics!

 

[NY Muscle]

If that is you in the avatar, then you certainly have made a fabulous achievement in spite of those genetics!

thanks

yes thats me i had lost 75lbs back in 1994 and been bodybuilding ever since.

im 28 i started working out when i was maybe 14 or so, was huge in HS big football player, i even entered weight lifting contests we had and used to beat the seniors when i was in 10th grade...i was thick but solid....then after HS got lazy and out of shape for a yr or so then decided to cut the crap and get serious.

 

[wilson6]

I think NY's plan might be optimal, if you can survive on low carbs without:

1) cheating

2) losing cognitive function

3) losing your sanity

However,

the bottom line is that you still need carbs for optimal workouts, even it it is just before and after. What's nice about muscle glycogen is that it stays in the muscle even on a low carb diet (unlike liver glycogen) provided you don't use it for high intensity muscle contraction. Thus, increasing muscle glycogen and blood glucose just prior to a workout, then replenishing just after when the uptake of glucose into the muscle to replenish glycogen is greatest (combined effect of insulin and prior muscle contraction) would probably work best for fat loss overall.

But, carb rotation is the next best thing if you can't live in a mild state of ketosis for long periods.

W6

 

[wilson6]

Having said that, there will likely be effects of gender and what ergogenic drugs are being used as well.

And.........before anyone starts asking, " how many carbs before and after" it is going to depend on your individual biochemistry, gender, AAS, T3, GH or anything else, and workout intensity and program.

So, you need to figure it out for yourselves, but perhaps NY can put it into a g of CHO per kg lean mass formula for starters.

W6