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Fructose, Dairy and SUgar substitutes.....

JKurz1 said:
Mr.X - Chill the fuck out. Who ever said they were eating a bushels of aples a day???????? Christ. You've always slammed fruits and for the wrong reasons. The postive effects and nutrients loaded in apples, bananas and berries far outweigh any potential negatives IMHO. I'm talking an apple, a few berries, maybe a banana.......

Carth - you and I are both sub 10%......AND WE EAT FRUITS DAILY. MrX is, well, no one really knows.

Bottom line is that Monday - Friday my diet is strict. I consume only low GI carbs like oatmeal, yams, brown rice, rice cakes etc etc. And I do consume my EFAs all day long. Hemp oil, flax, almonds.

As for veggies. I really don't care much for them. I don't like the way they taste, they fill me up way too much and I also get gas from them.

But fruits. I do not eat any fruits at all. I only eat an apple whenever I feel like I truly need a quick energy source. If I feel like I am too weak or not thinking right. Then I will go for a small Gala Apple. It only has 25grams of carbs and has 125grams of potassium.

But weekends! Weekends is another story. Life is to live and enjoy. Come the weekends...I eat whatever the fuck I want! But I do NOT go all out crazy neither! Know what I mean?
 
Carth said:
Bottom line is that Monday - Friday my diet is strict. I consume only low GI carbs like oatmeal, yams, brown rice, rice cakes etc etc. And I do consume my EFAs all day long. Hemp oil, flax, almonds.

As for veggies. I really don't care much for them. I don't like the way they taste, they fill me up way too much and I also get gas from them.

But fruits. I do not eat any fruits at all. I only eat an apple whenever I feel like I truly need a quick energy source. If I feel like I am too weak or not thinking right. Then I will go for a small Gala Apple. It only has 25grams of carbs and has 125grams of potassium.

But weekends! Weekends is another story. Life is to live and enjoy. Come the weekends...I eat whatever the fuck I want! But I do NOT go all out crazy neither! Know what I mean?


Now, would you eat like this off cycle? Do you thinking being on allows you to eat more w/o worrying about excess cals being stored? Or do you feel that it doesnt have any effect?

ME? I eat Strict M-Snday, but I am thinking I need to chill.............I have probably 15 berries in my cottage cheese every day in my first meal, I DO NOT believe this will hoard body fat...........the anti-oxidants are key plus they taste damn good.

Hell, I use to SLAM bananas post workout....2 min....and I was never fat...........strong, never fat.....
 
oh, Carth - what are your thoughts on dairy too? Do you consume daily? Cottage cheese? What is it that bloats? The sugars? I found cc, with like 5g of carbs 2 sugars and 80g of protein PER POUND.....it's pure casein......I would think this is a numero uno protein source...no?
 
Blueberries: A god among fruits

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I love this time of year - it's when the best fresh blueberries are available (their season is May-October). I thought I would make a thread in their honour, with all the benefits they offer, because they have so many they really shouldn't be overlooked in a healthy diet. Plus they taste amazing.

Blueberries are the fruits of a shrub that belong to the heath family, which includes the cranberry and bilberry. Blueberries grow in clusters and range in size from that of a small pea to a marble. They are deep in color, ranging from blue to maroon to purple-black, and feature a white-gray waxy "bloom" that covers the surface serving as a protective coat. The skin surrounds a semi-transparent flesh that encases tiny seeds.

They are excellent for inclusion into our diets because they are quite low in calories compared to the benefits they offer us, such as antioxidants, vitamins, minerals and fiber.

An Antioxidant Powerhouse
Packed with antioxidant phytonutrients called anthocyanidins, blueberries neutralize free radical damage to the collagen matrix of cells and tissues that can lead to cataracts, glaucoma, varicose veins, hemorrhoids, peptic ulcers, heart disease and cancer. Anthocyanins, the blue-red pigments found in blueberries, improve the integrity of support structures in the veins and entire vascular system. Anthocyanins have been shown to enhance the effects of vitamin C, improve capillary integrity, and stabilize the collagen matrix (the ground substance of all body tissues). They work their protective magic by preventing free-radical damage, inhibiting enzymes from cleaving the collagen matrix, and directly cross-linking with collagen fibers to form a more stable collagen matrix.

Cardioprotective Action
While wine, particularly red wine, is touted as cardioprotective since it is a good source of antioxidant anthocyanins, a recent study found that blueberries deliver 38% more of these free radical fighters. In this study, published in the August 2003 issue of the Journal of Agriculture and Food Chemistry, researchers found that a moderate drink (about 4 ounces) of white wine contained .47 mmol of free radical absorbing antioxidants, red wine provided 2.04 mmol, and a wine made from highbush blueberries delivered 2.42 mmol of these protective plant compounds.(October 1, 2003)

Cholesterol-lowering Pterostilbene
Pterostilbene (pronounced TARE-oh-STILL-bean), a powerful antioxidant compound found in blueberries, which is already known to fight cancer, may also help lower cholesterol.

In a study using rat liver cells, scientists at the USDA Agricultural Research Service compared the cholesterol-lowering effects of pterostilbene to those of ciprofibrate, a lipid-lowering drug, and resveratrol, an antioxidant found in grapes with a chemical structure similar to pterostilbene that has been shown to help fight cancer and heart disease.

They based their comparison on each compound's ability to activate PPAR-alpha (short for peroxisome proliferator-activated receptor alpha). The PPARs are a family of receptors on cells all throughout the body that are involved in the absorption of compounds into cells for use in energy production. PPAR-alpha is crucial for the metabolism of lipids, including cholesterol. Pterostilbene was as effective as ciprofibrate and outperformed resveratrol in activating PPAR-alpha. The take away message: turn up your cholesterol burning machinery by eating more blueberries, grapes and and cranberries. (January 14, 2005)

A Visionary Fruit
Extracts of bilberry (a variety of blueberry) have been shown in numerous studies to improve nighttime visual acuity and promote quicker adjustment to darkness and faster restoration of visual acuity after exposure to glare. This research was conducted to evaluate claims of bilberry's beneficial effects on night vision made by British Air Force pilots during World War II who regularly consumed bilberry preserves before their night missions.

Protection against Macular Degeneration
Your mother may have told you carrots would keep your eyes bright as a child, but as an adult, it looks like fruit is even more important for keeping your sight. Data reported in a study published in the June 2004 issue of the Archives of Opthamology indicates that eating 3 or more servings of fruit per day may lower your risk of age-related macular degeneration (ARMD), the primary cause of vision loss in older adults, by 36%, compared to persons who consume less than 1.5 servings of fruit daily.

In this study, which involved 77,562 women and 40,866 men, researchers evaluated the effect of study participants' consumption of fruits; vegetables; the antioxidant vitamins A, C, and E; and carotenoids on the development of early ARMD or neovascular ARM, a more severe form of the illness associated with vision loss. Food intake information was collected periodically for up to 18 years for women and 12 years for men.

A Better Brain with Blueberries
In animal studies, researchers have found that blueberries help protect the brain from oxidative stress and may reduce the effects of age-related conditions such as Alzheimer’s disease or dementia. Researchers found that diets rich in blueberries significantly improved both the learning capacity and motor skills of aging rats, making them mentally equivalent to much younger rats.

Protect the Brain from Damage After a Stroke
Eating plenty of blueberries may significantly lessen brain damage from strokes and other neurological disorders, suggests a study published in the May 2005 issue of the Journal of Experimental Neurology.

Neuroscientists at the University of South Florida College of Medicine, James A. Haley Veterans' Hospital and the National Institute on Drug Abuse found that rats fed diets enriched with blueberries, spinach or spirulina (a type of algae) suffered the loss of much fewer brain cells and recovered significantly more of their ability to move following a stroke.

The researchers studied four groups of rats. All were fed equal amounts of food for one month. The control (untreated) group ate chow only. A second group was given rat chow supplemented with blueberries, the third got chow with spinach, and the fourth received chow with spirulina.

After four weeks, an ischemic stroke with reperfusion was induced in the rats. (An ischemic stroke occurs when a blood clot blocks an artery, cutting off the supply of oxygen to the brain with the result that brain cells can be severely damaged and die). When the clot is cleared, the pent up oxygenated blood quickly rushes back in. Known as reperfusion, this restoration of blood flow can also result in brain damage as it causes cellular swelling, edema and the production of free radicals.

Rats given blueberry or spinach along with their chow, however, were protected: the size of the area of their brains damaged by the stroke was half that seen in the brains of the control rats.

Rats fed spirulina-enriched diets did even better; their stroke lesions were 75 per cent smaller than those of controls. In addition, but not surprisingly, rats pretreated with the blueberry, spinach or spirulina diets also showed regained more of their abilities to move after the stroke than rats in the control group. Neuroscientists think the reason for the improved outcome in blueberry, spinach or algae-treated rats is the same as that demonstrated in previous University of Florida/Veterans Administration research, which revealed that diets enriched with blueberries, spinach or spirulina reversed normal age-related declines in memory and learning in old rats. All these foods are exceptionally rich in antioxidants, which neuroscientists believe able to largely counteract the burst of free radicals triggered in brain cells by an ischemic stroke. It is this sudden excessive production of free radicals that damages the lipids, proteins and DNA in brain cells, causing their death.

Protection Against Cancer
In addition to their powerful anthocyanins, blueberries contain another antioxidant compound called ellagic acid, which blocks metabolic pathways that can lead to cancer. In a study of 1,271 elderly people in New Jersey, those who ate the most strawberries (another berry that contains ellagic acid) were three times less likely to develop cancer than those who ate few or no strawberries. In addition to containing ellagic acid, blueberries are high in the soluble fiber pectin, which has been shown to lower cholesterol and to prevent bile acid from being transformed into a potentially cancer-causing form.

Healthier Elimination
Blueberries can help relieve both diarrhea and constipation. In addition to soluble and insoluble fiber, blueberries also contain tannins, which act as astringents in the digestive system to reduce inflammation. Blueberries also promote urinary tract health. Blueberries contain the same compounds found in cranberries that help prevent or eliminate urinary tract infections. In order for bacteria to infect, they must first adhere to the mucosal lining of the urethra and bladder. Components found in cranberry and blueberry juice reduce the ability of E. coli, the bacteria that is the most common cause of urinary tract infections, to adhere.

Blueberries work in so many things. You can freeze them with cottage cheese to make a sort of ice cream, or eat them in yoghurt, or freeze them in yoghurt (my personal favourite). They also go really well in oats.
 
Carth said:
Bottom line is that Monday - Friday my diet is strict. I consume only low GI carbs like oatmeal, yams, brown rice, rice cakes etc etc. And I do consume my EFAs all day long. Hemp oil, flax, almonds.


Carth: Rice Cakes are about the worst damn thing you can eat carb wise brother (brutally high G-index).


Your other choices: Yams, Oatmeal, and brown rice (not a fan) are GREAT Carb options.

Eat what you want, just an FYI bro-mac ;)
 
Holy crap krutz! Your blueberry love is kinda freakin me out bro. I am definitally calling nerd alert on that last post. Dude its fruit not pussy, calm down...
 
Mr.X said:
1) fruits are calorically sparse & nutritionally dense. not mentally dense like folks who tell others to avoid them.
that's not true at all - 1 apple has 125 calories (large) and 32 grams of carbs from fructose

2) fruits are an effective default fiber & water source. you will shit better & function better.
true to a small degree, you can get natural fiber from husk without all the empty calories

3) fruits have small amounts of fructose per serving (4-7g). this is perfect for preserving liver glycogen & indirectly, skeletal muscle glycogen status. muscle glycogen is better replenished when small amounts of fructose are present in the postW mix.
yes, 1 strawberry, eat 10 of them and it adds up. Fructose does NOT "preserve" liver glycogen, for it actually is STORED as liver glycogen. Whoever wrote this has NO CLUE of the difference between a fed-state and a ketogenic state. In a fed state, which most people are in, fructose will not help you it will only hinder your progress.

4) a liver lacking glyco-replenishment = multiple catabolic signalling cascades = compromised gains in skeletal muscle. fructose facilitates "fed state" signals to the brain. too complex to get into right now, but this is a good thing.
yes it's too complex because it's stated WRONG. The liver needs liver glycogen to help T4->T3 conversion and leptin (hormone that tells you that you're full) levels; however, it only needs 50 grams of glucose to do the job - while only holding 150grams total. As fructose is 4x more likely to be store as fat and in the liver, you will see great fat gains by stuffing your face with fruit

5) fruits contain system & recovery-enhancing phytonutrients & antioxidant factors not present in any other food species.
that's idiotic; vitamin C and iron are what's most commonly contributed to fruits ability to help you recover - can be purchased for $4.99 at a local supermarket. Even then, 10 grams of glutamine will do 10x more for recovery then Vit C.

6) there is not a solitary shred of science indicating ill effects on health, body composition, or physical performance as a result of eating fruit. some of the leanest, longest-living populations on the planet earth eat fruit daily.
and? no one said it has a "bad" effect, what is being said is that for a bodybuilder to eat calories that are empty and cause 4x greater possible of fat gain is ludicrous

7) it would take the consumption of a truck bed of fruits to ingest amounts of fructose associated with negative metabolic effects seen in forcefed rats. the funny thing about this is, fruit is one of the rare foods in nature that you can actually fill yourself up with, & still not tip the balance of risk versus benefit.
eat 10 apples a day, 1200 calories from fruit, 320 grams of carbs (fructose) with your regular diet and talk to me in 4 weeks when you're 10 lbs. fatter

8) fruit avoidance just plain makes no damn sense whatsoever -- but then again, how many idiotic bodybuilding myths do you know of that do?
yes, this guy is a true genius in his own mind

No one said fruit will kill you; what's being said is it does not have nutritional benefit when used in conjunction to a low-GI/high-protein/moderate fat/high-nutrition (supplementation) bodybuilder/fitness diet. That's the topic at hand. Why eat something that will make you gain bodyfat at a higher rate then other carbs in your diet. There is absolutely to evidence that one cannot live without fruit. In fact, I know many people that do it all the time - i.e. me as an example. Stuff your face with fruits and you'll see the real "gain" you will have from it.

Think of it this way, why are people screaming that High-fructose corn syrup is the major cause of US obesity - read the name of the product and that's all you need.

Mr.X

True , I've read that fructose can be stored as fat without the presence of other carbohydrates. The problem with high fructose corn sweetener is that it preserves the shelf life of products , so it saves manufacturers $$$ when it is introduced into products. You'll be hard pressed to find a loaf of bread without High Fructose corn sweetener in it. Most fruit juices are like 10-30% juice and are sweetented by HFCS.
 
Carth said:
Bottom line is that Monday - Friday my diet is strict. I consume only low GI carbs like oatmeal, yams, brown rice, rice cakes etc etc. And I do consume my EFAs all day long. Hemp oil, flax, almonds.

As for veggies. I really don't care much for them. I don't like the way they taste, they fill me up way too much and I also get gas from them.

But fruits. I do not eat any fruits at all. I only eat an apple whenever I feel like I truly need a quick energy source. If I feel like I am too weak or not thinking right. Then I will go for a small Gala Apple. It only has 25grams of carbs and has 125grams of potassium.

But weekends! Weekends is another story. Life is to live and enjoy. Come the weekends...I eat whatever the fuck I want! But I do NOT go all out crazy neither! Know what I mean?

After seeing the pictures of your house and I guess that was an escalade , you definitly live the life every day! You definitly seem to be doing well for yourself. I wish you luck tomorrow.

I agree with Mr X's opinions on fruits as well. I read some cut and paste on spirulina. Spirulina is a vegetable not a fruit. I have different views on vegetables. Some fruits like grapes contain glucose (grape sugar = glucose)
I was just curious why people here havne't said they use Medium Chain Tryglyceride or coconut or enova oil for energy instead of sugar??
 
gjohnson5 said:
True , I've read that fructose can be stored as fat without the presence of other carbohydrates. The problem with high fructose corn sweetener is that it preserves the shelf life of products , so it saves manufacturers $$$ when it is introduced into products. You'll be hard pressed to find a loaf of bread without High Fructose corn sweetener in it. Most fruit juices are like 10-30% juice and are sweetented by HFCS.
Off base bro...........I agree high fruct. syrup and fruit juices are JUNK! Never incorporate them....NEVER...

However, we are talking about organic fruits, at a minimal amount at that....YES, I would let this die if I was wrong, but there are too many out there that will read this and stop eating fruits...........

Tell me if you agree:
Fructose (high syrups) - NO!
Juice (NO!)
Organic fruit - ok in small amounts and in moderation........when bulking, eat as many as you friggn want!!
 
JKurz1 said:
Off base bro...........I agree high fruct. syrup and fruit juices are JUNK! Never incorporate them....NEVER...

However, we are talking about organic fruits, at a minimal amount at that....YES, I would let this die if I was wrong, but there are too many out there that will read this and stop eating fruits...........

Tell me if you agree:
Fructose (high syrups) - NO!
Juice (NO!)
Organic fruit - ok in small amounts and in moderation........when bulking, eat as many as you friggn want!!

Jkurz , there are some people like terminator , khemix and maybe yourself who could eat 7k calories and not put on fat. I was like that as well when I was a quarter miler , shooting guard. When I hit age 31 , that all changed. Me and Mr BMJ were talking about this on another thread. I tend to use the bmr , rmr rates to calculate my calories because I am not that kind of person anymore. My metabolism slowed , so I have to be much more careful about what I eat. For myself , fruits and fructose related product are out the window.

You can get away with it. Most everyone else cannot so I tend to point my advise in that direction.
 
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