Fructose, Dairy and SUgar substitutes.....

[Whacked]

Fructose: Good for you? http://elitefitness.com/forum/showthread.php?t=102126

 

[Mr.X]

Mr.X - Chill the fuck out. Who ever said they were eating a bushels of aples a day???????? Christ. You've always slammed fruits and for the wrong reasons. The postive effects and nutrients loaded in apples, bananas and berries far outweigh any potential negatives IMHO. I'm talking an apple, a few berries, maybe a banana.......

Carth - you and I are both sub 10%......AND WE EAT FRUITS DAILY. MrX is, well, no one really knows.

no one is slamming them for the wrong reasons, read my reasons above, and watch your mouth - just because you throw out idiotic copy and paste evidence from "someone" it doesn't make it right.

Mr.X

 

[Mr.X]

Blueberries: A god among fruits

n oats.

you're just wasting time posting copy and paste articles that mean nothing - you did not read a word of what I said did you? you can get the nutrients somewhere else.

 

[Mr.X]

True , I've read that fructose can be stored as fat without the presence of other carbohydrates. The problem with high fructose corn sweetener is that it preserves the shelf life of products , so it saves manufacturers $$$ when it is introduced into products. You'll be hard pressed to find a loaf of bread without High Fructose corn sweetener in it. Most fruit juices are like 10-30% juice and are sweetented by HFCS.

high fructose products are the major cause of US obesity and this guy here, JKurz1, is advocating it , obviously he has no understanding of human physiology

 

[Mr.X]

Off base bro...........I agree high fruct. syrup and fruit juices are JUNK! Never incorporate them....NEVER...

However, we are talking about organic fruits, at a minimal amount at that....YES, I would let this die if I was wrong, but there are too many out there that will read this and stop eating fruits...........

Tell me if you agree:
Fructose (high syrups) - NO!
Juice (NO!)
Organic fruit - ok in small amounts and in moderation........when bulking, eat as many as you friggn want!!

hey wait a minute, you're changing the topic, the topic was on regular fruit intake, not on organic minimal fruit intake haha, you have no proof or basis so you're changing your story - flip-flopping again, to suit your needs.

you have no idea what you're talking about; for, recommending empty calories and fructose to a bodybuilder that's leaning out for a show, as an example, can be beyond bad.

........when bulking, eat as many as you friggn want!!

LOL, I think we are done here, you have NO idea what you're talking about. When a bodybuilder is bulking it does not mean he's 500lbs., it means he's gaining muscle mass. Eating 10 lbs. of fruit will make you fatter not bigger.

I've had about enough of arguing with a chimp here.

Mr.X

 

[Mr.X]

Mr.X...I now understand this part. But what would deplete glycogen from the liver in the first place? And how would I know this happened? Do I feel something?

There is no formula for knowing that your liver glycogen is depleted. The easiest way, without a blood test, to figure out how your metabolic rate is doing is to take temperature readings in the AM right when you wake up. Do it during your refeed and for 1 week after and compare the results. You should see no more then a 1 degree change, some people see more but it varies on the individual.

Mr.X

 

[paridhm]

Whatever thats just what my trainer and a few others told me. Why do bodybuilders take in fats on contest day to fill out more then. Also why did Kingwhinny say if he looks flat he'll eat a steak. I was referring to red meat since thats the only fat I take in, and yes it was me that was only getting like 10g's a day and since the red meats hit me i look double the muscularity size imo.

I'm not trying to start an argument, but why do guys when in a contest situation say that if they looked flat, it was because of a lack of carbs?

 

[Mr.X]

READ THIS STUDY:
Nutr Rev. 2005 May;63(5):133-57.



Dietary fructose: implications for dysregulation of energy homeostasis and lipid/carbohydrate metabolism.

Havel PJ.

Department of Nutrition, University of California, One Shields Avenue, Davis, CA 95616, USA. [email protected]

Fructose intake and the prevalence of obesity have both increased over the past two to three decades. Compared with glucose, the hepatic metabolism of fructose favors lipogenesis, which may contribute to hyperlipidemia and obesity. Fructose does not increase insulin and leptin or suppress ghrelin, which suggests an endocrine mechanism by which it induces a positive energy balance. This review examines the available data on the effects of dietary fructose on energy homeostasis and lipid/carbohydrate metabolism. Recent publications, studies in human subjects, and areas in which additional research is needed are emphasized.

 

[Mr.X]

another study posted in this thread:
http://www.elitefitness.com/forum/showpost.php?p=5084503&postcount=36

 

[Joe Stenson]

Without a doubt the best thing you can drink in the morning is Grapefruit Juice.

Maybe if you're using orals