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Exodus and anyone else who uses power factor training

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A couple of thoughts.

First, Finaplix (or Finny, as in Winny? :) ), it's too bad people at your gym don't understand what you're doing. Ignore them. Unfortunately, though, there are lots of lifters who have never heard of PFT and exclusively do partials, so they give guys like you a bad name. For instance, there are muttonheads at my gym that do partials on everything--light partials, no less. One of these fellas, a big dumb smooth guy, must've done 10 sets with 4 or 500 on the leg press using jerky quarter-reps when I needed to get in and do a knees-to-elbows set with 1,000. Of course, when he finally finished, he strutted around like he was the shit; and here I was, thinking, wow, I'm only "okay" doing 950-1,000 for a set.

Ahhh...if I was still a hot-headed 18 year old I would've...been less restrained :) LOL.

Anyway, I've had some experience with HEAVY partials, and I found them to be excruciatingly intense. It's my opinion that extremely hard muscular contractions, along with progressive overload of course, are the best way to ensure growth. A rep that you can finish in a half-second, with far less than maximal effort, won't do you a lot of good...but a rep that, in spite of giving it everything you've got, takes ten seconds to get up...now that's something that'll yield growth.

Partials provide a means by which we can get these kinds of contractions, and with a whole lot of weight to boot. I think in the short-term, they can be a very effective means of adding size for that reason...but for reasons of which I'm not entirely aware, I do *not* think training exclusively with partials is good long-term.

Why?

For one thing, my own experience makes me believe this. When I did partials, I found that, after I came back to full-range training, I had gained *zero* strength. Nada. I didn't *lose* much, if any, mind you. And yes, I did gain some new size almost immediately. The trouble is, after the first three workouts or so, the noticeable size gains stopped altogether. All of the partial-based workouts I did after that did nothing to further my development or to increase my full-range strength, even though I attempted to use ever-heavier poundages.

Many things work great initially, not for the oversimplified virtue of simply "being different" necessarily, but great nonetheless. That's what I think static and partial-only styles are best for: to accrue a little new size, then move on to more conventional training.
 
I do find it interesting that you did not gain full range of motion strength. I've made huge gains in strength over the last 5 months on partials, noticed a slow, but steady increase in size after about the first month. I've noticed a signifigant increase in full range of motion training too (Periodically I've gone back to check my full range of stregth by doing a set of two for a couple of lifts). My full range close grip bench has increased the most while training with partials. Before changing training styles I had never close grip benched more than 275 for 5 reps, after using pft for 14 weeks I tried to do a couple of full range sets and got 365 for 6. I do 495 for partials. Perhaps we are all wired differently.
Also I must agree, distance should be a factor, however, I believe you will find that you can move a given weight much further while doing partials.
Exodus, yes I like it, of course I have the same problem. Using the heavy weight, 20-30 seconds between sets and very short breaks between different lifts is extemely taxing. After 30 minutes I'm completely exhausted, and I usually have to go home and sleep for a couple of hours. The next day everything I worked is sore.
MOD, I'm currently training once every 4 or 5 days here is what I did this week (I don't remember reps, but I remember what weights I used, and I'm doing some static work too).
Workout #1:
-Deadlift: two sets with 405, one set with 495, one set with 725.
-Hammerstength pull down: four sets with 8 plates
-Bench press: two sets with 495
-Smith machine military press: one static hold with 405 (2 inches below lockout)
-Concentration curl (on flat side of standing preacher bench): static hold with 120 ibs dumbell.
Workout #2:
-Leg press: 4 sets with 1495 (all I can get on the machine, so frist set was well over 100 reps, taking 15 seconds between sets brings it down fast)
-Toe press on leg press machine: 2 sets with 1360
-Close grip press: 2 sets with 405, 2 sets with 495
-Preacher curl: 3 sets with 165
 
MOD, also, my current stack and nutruition should be taken into account.
Diet: 2200-2500 cals/day, 60-70% fat (primarily olive oil, I use lean cuts of meat to keep sat fat low), 30-40% protien. Bear in mind I only lift every 4-5 days so I'm in ketosis most of the time.
Starting anywhere between 10 am and 12 pm (the day before my workout) I start carbing up. I eat anywhere from 5000-7000 cals that afternoon. Approximately 60% carbs (all very low gi), 20% protein, 20% fat. I hit the gym at 7:00 am. Prior to training I take in about 300 grams of carbs, 50 grams of protien (keep fat under 10 grams). Post workout I drink one gallon of skim milk & any other carbs as needed (due to the insulin). I have found through trial and error that lactose is MY best choice with insulin. I've never had a problem with going hypo using skim milk with my insulin. 4 hours after my workout its back to low cals, no carbs.
suppliments:
multi-vitamin (one with first meal of day, one before bedtime)
3 grams of vitamin c (spread out over three doses)
1000 iu vit e
25,000 iu beta carotene
one b complex
12 g of fish oil
stack:
tren 150 mg/day
winny 12 mg/day (I hate winny, so I only use it 4 weeks at a time, at low doses, but it makes a noticable difference in hardness & vascularity even at 12 mg, currently 2.5 weeks into winny cycle)
humalin-R 12 iu post workout (so less that twice a week on average)
 
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One more question BBF. Do you feel your strength reflects your size? I spoke to this one guy who was using PFT and was partial benching 500lbs for 20, he said that his size didn't reflect his strength since he was 5'8 and only 168, yet he was putting up so much weight. so I'm just curious how your size gains compare to your strength gains.
 
MOD, yes, I think my size reflects my strength. I'm only doing 515 for 20 using partials (15 ibs more than the individual you mentioned), but I'm 5'9" 227, and just a little over 7% bf.
So, was this guy at least putting on size as a result of working with such heavy weights?
 
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