Debate McDonald's diet verses clean diet on cycle

[st8grad]

That was good! o-k, stealing the thread for a second since were on a diet discusion...I do not seperate my fats from carbs during the day..what is this about anyway..i do not eat carbs after 5;00pm but i dont eat fish(fats)w/ out rice, so why are bro's talking about this carb/fat seperation ? and does this mean no red meats with rice ect... cause there is always a little fat in pork/chicken/fisk/steak ?

Yeah, the carb/fat separation has some merit. Basically you have carbs and proteins for meals up until about 3pm then switch over to protein and fat meals.

So yes, you wouldn't be able to have red meats with carbs. Read some stuff by Dr John Berardi if you want to delve more into that separation diet.

 

[st8grad]

If you think that the beef they use is of the highest quality, think again.

I would also recommend reading Fast Food Nation (also about to become a film I believe).

The lipid profile of the muscle cell reflects the diet, and if you eat too much saturated fat and modified trans fats (and Mackie D's food is highly processed), this affects the membranes.

They become stiff and blocked. This is especially true when the combination of simple carbs (the bun and all the sugar in their sauces) is combined with saturated fats.


This leads to insulin resistance, so the great anabolic effects of insulin are hampered as the insulin receptors no longer function as well to trigger glucose and amino acid transporters to the surface of the cell.

A calorie is not a calorie is not a calorie and not all fats and carbs are created equally.

You are what you eat - junk in, junk out.

I agree. But only one person has pointed out any flaws in diet number 2. I wonder how many people would think diet #3 is any good? Bulking on relatively low carb.

Diet 3

6am - 8 large eggs

9am - 2 scoops Whey Isolate
2TB ANPB

12am - 8oz Sirloin
4 Fish Oil Caps
1/2 Cup Broccoli w 1TB Olive Oil

3pm - Pre Workout
6oz Chicken Breast
10 Almonds

5pm - Post Workout
50g Whey Isolate
60g Dextose

7pm - 8oz Salmon
1 cup brocolli

9pm - 40g whey/casein mix
10g fish oil
2TB ANPB


This will lower your LDL and Tri's and raise HDL. Should cover vitamins/minerals. Just enough carbs post workout to spike insulin. Glycogen recovers on its own since weightlifting alone doesn't really deplete levels. Plenty of fat for energy and protein and total cals for growth.

 

[st8grad]

Saturated fats
Hormone byproducts from the Cows being treated in a corporate farm
the simple carbs in the buns ( insulin issues)
and just the quality should be our primary health concern
not to mention the LAck of Vitamins and mineral

eat what God gave you not greedy corporate man

a calorie is NOT a calorie in this case its death

This includes those bastards at Whole Foods that think "organic" gives them a right to rip us off with OUTRAGEOUS prices. They are a perfect example of a company taking something very good and deciding to make a HEFTY profit off of it.

 

[Nelson Montana]

watch Supersize or whatever the movie made by Spurlock.
Pay attention to what the doctors say about his health after 25 days on the McDonald diet.

Seriously, watch the movie before you decide on that diet.

I saw it 3 years ago or something like that. Since then I have been to McDonalds 4 times. Twice the same day my son was born only because I had no time to eat.

That movie was total bullshit. The guy purposely over-ate and purposely did not exercise. You can get sick eating any food for a month. Eat nothing but celery and lettuce for a month and you'll drop dead.

It's all very simple. McDonalds is obviously not the best food but I don't think it's so bad and other food is so good. As 8 mentions, the stats aren't that different. Sure, more saturated fats and not enough vits and mins but thta's what DX7 is for! It has more vits and mins that you'll ever get from food.

And a little saturated fat won't kill you, especially if you exercise. Saturated fats benefit the thyroid. The thyroid burns fat. (Pretty cool, eh?)

Bottom Line. Eat clean wholesome food as often as possible, but Mc Donalds now and then won't make one bit of difference. It comes down to macronutrient balance, nutrients and calories.

 

[Tatyana]

That movie was total bullshit. The guy purposely over-ate and purposely did not exercise. You can get sick eating any food for a month. Eat nothing but celery and lettuce for a month and you'll drop dead.

It's all very simple. McDonalds is obviously not the best food but I don't think it's so bad and other food is so good. As 8 mentions, the stats aren't that different. Sure, more saturated fats and not enough vits and mins but thta's what DX7 is for! It has more vits and mins that you'll ever get from food.

And a little saturated fat won't kill you, especially if you exercise. Saturated fats benefit the thyroid. The thyroid burns fat. (Pretty cool, eh?)

Bottom Line. Eat clean wholesome food as often as possible, but Mc Donalds now and then won't make one bit of difference. It comes down to macronutrient balance, nutrients and calories.

So true, unless you already have some pathological condition like heart disease or diabetes.

When I have a cheat meal though, it is most certainly not going to be McDonald's.

Just not worth the calories, nor does it taste all that great.

Now some of the proper cake shops in Kennsington or Sloane Square like Godiva with those wee but ever so rich proper chocolate and cream cakes.

 

[Nelson Montana]

So true, unless you already have some pathological condition like heart disease or diabetes.

When I have a cheat meal though, it is most certainly not going to be McDonald's.

Just not worth the calories, nor does it taste all that great.

Now some of the proper cake shops in Kennsington or Sloane Square like Godiva with those wee but ever so rich proper chocolate and cream cakes.

That's what it comes down to. We're all human and the need to eat is a pleasure so what are you going to choose? I'm not a big McDonalds fan but if I get in the mood for it I'll make sure I don't eat an equally crappy meal right after it. It's high in cals and salt and fat so just make sure you can afford it and that you don't then pile more cals and salt and fat on top of it.

McDonalds isn't some evil corporation. They sell tasty quick, cheap food. It isn't poison. And you don't have to add the apple pie, large soda and ice cream to the meal you know.

 

[hurricane]

lol u know that the fat and carbs in the 2 meals u compared are way different even if they the same numbers

 

[OMEGA]

This includes those bastards at Whole Foods that think "organic" gives them a right to rip us off with OUTRAGEOUS prices. They are a perfect example of a company taking something very good and deciding to make a HEFTY profit off of it.

screw them too, whole foods and Molly stones are just a place rich people can waste money

Grow your own veggies and buy organic meats direct

 

[Nelson Montana]

screw them too, whole foods and Molly stones are just a place rich people can waste money

Grow your own veggies and buy organic meats direct

That would mean having to freeze the meat and I can't eat meat that isn't fresh. It just doesn't taste as good once it's been frozen.

Growing ones own vegetables is great but not convenient or practical in many cases. (Certainly not in Manhattan). You have to pay for good food but again, there's plenty of wholesome food that isn't expensive and every meal doesn't have to be organic. That's a rip-off term half the time anyway.

 

[OMEGA]

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Frozedn meat agreed but most of us eat frozen meat of just abotu frozen even though it may not be marketed that way. fyi.


I am trooper I can eat frozen stuff I eat like Spartan most of the time out principle and practicality.