Debate McDonald's diet verses clean diet on cycle

[st8grad]

I want to submit this for consideration AND for it to either be torn to shreds or possibly backed up. Same cycle, same lifting and cardio routine, two different diets:

1-15 test cypionate 500mg week
1-15 boldenone 600mg week.

Diet 1 is:

2 quarter pounders per meal for 6 meals.

74g carbs/48g protein/38g fat = 810 calories per meal

Diet 2 is:

13.2 ounces sweet potato, 10.78 ounces chicken breast, 33 fish oil caps at 1g of fat each

for a total of 74g carbs/48g protein/38g fat 810 calories per meal

Both are: 444g carbs/288g protein/228g fat for 4860 calories per day


I think the only difference the subject would see is a much greater increase in water retention,higher BP, and slightly higher insulin levels on the McD's diet.

Everything else, gains, energy levels, liver and cholesterol values, would be nearly identical.

Who's with me?

I'm adding in Diet 3 as well....



I agree. But only one person has pointed out any flaws in diet number 2. I wonder how many people would think diet #3 is any good? Bulking on relatively low carb.

Diet 3

6am - 8 large eggs

9am - 2 scoops Whey Isolate
2TB ANPB

12am - 8oz Sirloin
4 Fish Oil Caps
1/2 Cup Broccoli w 1TB Olive Oil

3pm - Pre Workout
6oz Chicken Breast
10 Almonds

5pm - Post Workout
50g Whey Isolate
60g Dextose

7pm - 8oz Salmon
1 cup brocolli

9pm - 40g whey/casein mix
10g fish oil
2TB ANPB


This will lower your LDL and Tri's and raise HDL. Should cover vitamins/minerals. Just enough carbs post workout to spike insulin. Glycogen recovers on its own since weightlifting alone doesn't really deplete levels. Plenty of fat for energy and protein and total cals for growth.

 

[OMEGA]

Saturated fats
Hormone byproducts from the Cows being treated in a corporate farm
the simple carbs in the buns ( insulin issues)
and just the quality should be our primary health concern
not to mention the LAck of Vitamins and mineral

eat what God gave you not greedy corporate man

a calorie is NOT a calorie in this case its death

 

[OUfan]

You think liver/cholesterol would be the same with all that saturated fat? I would agree that gains would be similar. Not sure I could stomach 12 QP's a day though! I have a feeling I would feel like shit.

 

[xrsist]

12 quarter pounders a day for 15 weeks.. no thanks i would have chucked after the 1st day.

energy levels would be down big time imo, processed food v natural food.

diet 2, 6 times a day for 15 weeks wouldnt be much better as its missing many vitamins and minerals

 

[Stacemranger]

Cholesterol couldn't be the same on those. Big difference there.

 

[st8grad]

Cholesterol couldn't be the same on those. Big difference there.

Why?

 

[jumpmaster82]

the saturated fat would kill. I think gains would be about the same but like you said alot more water retention. But energy would be way down. Theres no way I would try it.

 

[st8grad]

12 quarter pounders a day for 15 weeks.. no thanks i would have chucked after the 1st day.

energy levels would be down big time imo, processed food v natural food.

diet 2, 6 times a day for 15 weeks wouldnt be much better as its missing many vitamins and minerals

I agree with this. It's also why I posted it. I see tons of diets on here that would be very simlar except that maybe a difference in carbs like oatmeal or brown rice and protein, tuna and whey. But very little fat.

 

[MorganKane]

watch Supersize or whatever the movie made by Spurlock.
Pay attention to what the doctors say about his health after 25 days on the McDonald diet.

Seriously, watch the movie before you decide on that diet.

I saw it 3 years ago or something like that. Since then I have been to McDonalds 4 times. Twice the same day my son was born only because I had no time to eat.

 

[st8grad]

You think liver/cholesterol would be the same with all that saturated fat? I would agree that gains would be similar. Not sure I could stomach 12 QP's a day though! I have a feeling I would feel like shit.

Yes. I don't think saturated fat from animals is bad. I don't believe that it contributes to high cholestrol levels.

I believe that crappy carbs like the buns is what would elevate LDL and triglycerides. But I also think that pounding down 400+g of carbs ,even from something good like yams, would do the same.

 

[Tatyana]

Yes. I don't think saturated fat from animals is bad. I don't believe that it contributes to high cholestrol levels.

I believe that crappy carbs like the buns is what would elevate LDL and triglycerides. But I also think that pounding down 400+g of carbs ,even from something good like yams, would do the same.

If you think that the beef they use is of the highest quality, think again.

I would also recommend reading Fast Food Nation (also about to become a film I believe).

The lipid profile of the muscle cell reflects the diet, and if you eat too much saturated fat and modified trans fats (and Mackie D's food is highly processed), this affects the membranes.

They become stiff and blocked. This is especially true when the combination of simple carbs (the bun and all the sugar in their sauces) is combined with saturated fats.

This leads to insulin resistance, so the great anabolic effects of insulin are hampered as the insulin receptors no longer function as well to trigger glucose and amino acid transporters to the surface of the cell.

A calorie is not a calorie is not a calorie and not all fats and carbs are created equally.

You are what you eat - junk in, junk out.

 

[st8grad]

watch Supersize or whatever the movie made by Spurlock.
Pay attention to what the doctors say about his health after 25 days on the McDonald diet.

Seriously, watch the movie before you decide on that diet.

I saw it 3 years ago or something like that. Since then I have been to McDonalds 4 times. Twice the same day my son was born only because I had no time to eat.

Excellent documentary. However, he also ate fries and drank coke for every meal. Trans fat and TONS of sugar. Now we are talking about a whole new ballgame.

For the record, I really am not advocating either diet. I'm trying to open up the fact that I think both would suck. But given perceptions and misinformation about healthful eating, I think there are many who think diet 2 is perfectly ok. Save for the fact that there are tons of people who think it would be even better by dropping the fat grams way down.

 

[chilisauce1]

Don't forget about a stranger handling your food. God knows where some of those teenagers hands have been.

Also, what about the dairy in the cheese? There's 2 slices of processed American cheese on one quarter pounder. Also, the patty is fried on a grill. No draining or getting the greese off. Straight from grill dripping with greese to the bun. Delicious yes. Healthy? Hell no...

Eating insane amounts of quarter pounders while on cycle is insanity imo. Arteries clogging. Feel bad so won't be able to work out with maximum intensity.

From experience, this is a bad idea. I did something very similar. I have been a health nut since I was 18. I'm 24 now. Whenver I get sick around the winter time, I'll usually eat whatever I want. Burger, fries, Hardee's, you name it. Well, this year when I got sick, I couldn't get well, so i continued my fast food diet for far longer than expected. I kept thinking I would get well in a "few days" and it didn't happen. I went to the doctor each week for 4 weeks, got a shot each time and a different antibiotic each week. My strain was resistant to oral antibiotics and my head wouldn't drain. Long story short I was out of the gym and work for 7 weeks and in the hospital the last 12 days. I went in due to a massive headache and not being able to hear at all out of my right ear. Penicilin on an IV for the entire time is eventually what got me over it. Through that time I was in a bad depression so I was eating shit everyday. Big Macs, shakes, fries, soft drinks, you name it. This aided in me getting severe headaches due to extreme change in diet and my routine (I would spend nights in a row and not go to bed and go to Hardees at 4 am and pig out). So, before you decide on an extreme diet change like eating however many quarter pounders ED, imagine your head feeling like someone is inside with an ice pick hammering to get out. It was the most excrutiating pain I have ever felt. Morphine is the only thing that would help at all and it took a lot of it. Then I would fall asleep for half the day. It was insane. I'm not saying it was just the diet to blame, it was a combination of that and a lack of sleep and total change in routine. But diet definately played a role in it!

A healthy lifestyle is the way to go.

 

[Cryptlord]

watch Supersize or whatever the movie made by Spurlock.
Pay attention to what the doctors say about his health after 25 days on the McDonald diet.

Seriously, watch the movie before you decide on that diet.

I saw it 3 years ago or something like that. Since then I have been to McDonalds 4 times. Twice the same day my son was born only because I had no time to eat.

I got a buddy who owns some mcdonalds and surpringsly sales went up after that movie LOL

 

[chris69]

watch Supersize or whatever the movie made by Spurlock.
Pay attention to what the doctors say about his health after 25 days on the McDonald diet.

Seriously, watch the movie before you decide on that diet.

I saw it 3 years ago or something like that. Since then I have been to McDonalds 4 times. Twice the same day my son was born only because I had no time to eat.

Check out SUPER SIZE ME .THE dude was so sick he would throw-up out the window of his truck.. That was for 30 days at MC"D"S. bloodtest results were really bad.. Good thread discusion though !

 

[Para_Shoot]

I want to submit this for consideration AND for it to either be torn to shreds or possibly backed up. Same cycle, same lifting and cardio routine, two different diets:

1-15 test cypionate 500mg week
1-15 boldenone 600mg week.

Diet 1 is:

2 quarter pounders per meal for 6 meals.

74g carbs/48g protein/38g fat = 810 calories per meal

Diet 2 is:

13.2 ounces sweet potato, 10.78 ounces chicken breast, 33 fish oil caps at 1g of fat each

for a total of 74g carbs/48g protein/38g fat 810 calories per meal

Both are: 444g carbs/288g protein/228g fat for 4860 calories per day


I think the only difference the subject would see is a much greater increase in water retention,higher BP, and slightly higher insulin levels on the McD's diet.

Everything else, gains, energy levels, liver and cholesterol values, would be nearly identical.

Who's with me?

I like your analogy and thought process here. Very interesting. I like reading everyones reply. Very interesting.. That was funny stuff when he puked out the window in "Supersize Me" on like the 3rd day into it. Also when the doc told him his liver enzymes were "off the charts"..hehe I think Mc Donalds is way worse for your liver than 17aa orals, alcohol and my favorite, x-tacy, combined!

 

[chris69]

I like your analogy and thought process here. Very interesting. I like reading everyones reply. Very interesting.. That was funny stuff when he puked out the window in "Supersize Me" on like the 3rd day into it. Also when the doc told him his liver enzymes were "off the charts"..hehe I think Mc Donalds is way worse for your liver than 17 alpha-alkylated orals, alcohol and my favorite, x-tacy, combined!

That was good! o-k, stealing the thread for a second since were on a diet discusion...I do not seperate my fats from carbs during the day..what is this about anyway..i do not eat carbs after 5;00pm but i dont eat fish(fats)w/ out rice, so why are bro's talking about this carb/fat seperation ? and does this mean no red meats with rice ect... cause there is always a little fat in pork/chicken/fisk/steak ?

 

[SaladFork]

watch Supersize or whatever the movie made by Spurlock.
Pay attention to what the doctors say about his health after 25 days on the McDonald diet.

Seriously, watch the movie before you decide on that diet.

I saw it 3 years ago or something like that. Since then I have been to McDonalds 4 times. Twice the same day my son was born only because I had no time to eat.

I was going to say the samething... Fast forward to the Dr. test results, his body was producing shit that was not natural. He was not working out, but still!!!

This should be a no brainer...

 

[al_ny]

i love quarter pounders w/cheese. could never eat 12 per day or even 4-5 per day

 

[st8grad]

Don't forget about a stranger handling your food. God knows where some of those teenagers hands have been.

Also, what about the dairy in the cheese? There's 2 slices of processed American cheese on one quarter pounder. Also, the patty is fried on a grill. No draining or getting the greese off. Straight from grill dripping with greese to the bun. Delicious yes. Healthy? Hell no...

Eating insane amounts of quarter pounders while on cycle is insanity imo. Arteries clogging. Feel bad so won't be able to work out with maximum intensity.

From experience, this is a bad idea. I did something very similar. I have been a health nut since I was 18. I'm 24 now. Whenver I get sick around the winter time, I'll usually eat whatever I want. Burger, fries, Hardee's, you name it. Well, this year when I got sick, I couldn't get well, so i continued my fast food diet for far longer than expected. I kept thinking I would get well in a "few days" and it didn't happen. I went to the doctor each week for 4 weeks, got a shot each time and a different antibiotic each week. My strain was resistant to oral antibiotics and my head wouldn't drain. Long story short I was out of the gym and work for 7 weeks and in the hospital the last 12 days. I went in due to a massive headache and not being able to hear at all out of my right ear. Penicilin on an IV for the entire time is eventually what got me over it. Through that time I was in a bad depression so I was eating shit everyday. Big Macs, shakes, fries, soft drinks, you name it. This aided in me getting severe headaches due to extreme change in diet and my routine (I would spend nights in a row and not go to bed and go to Hardees at 4 am and pig out). So, before you decide on an extreme diet change like eating however many quarter pounders ED, imagine your head feeling like someone is inside with an ice pick hammering to get out. It was the most excrutiating pain I have ever felt. Morphine is the only thing that would help at all and it took a lot of it. Then I would fall asleep for half the day. It was insane. I'm not saying it was just the diet to blame, it was a combination of that and a lack of sleep and total change in routine. But diet definately played a role in it!

A healthy lifestyle is the way to go.

Could be your 'strain' was actually a virus and not a bacteria.

 

[st8grad]

That was good! o-k, stealing the thread for a second since were on a diet discusion...I do not seperate my fats from carbs during the day..what is this about anyway..i do not eat carbs after 5;00pm but i dont eat fish(fats)w/ out rice, so why are bro's talking about this carb/fat seperation ? and does this mean no red meats with rice ect... cause there is always a little fat in pork/chicken/fisk/steak ?

Yeah, the carb/fat separation has some merit. Basically you have carbs and proteins for meals up until about 3pm then switch over to protein and fat meals.

So yes, you wouldn't be able to have red meats with carbs. Read some stuff by Dr John Berardi if you want to delve more into that separation diet.

 

[st8grad]

If you think that the beef they use is of the highest quality, think again.

I would also recommend reading Fast Food Nation (also about to become a film I believe).

The lipid profile of the muscle cell reflects the diet, and if you eat too much saturated fat and modified trans fats (and Mackie D's food is highly processed), this affects the membranes.

They become stiff and blocked. This is especially true when the combination of simple carbs (the bun and all the sugar in their sauces) is combined with saturated fats.


This leads to insulin resistance, so the great anabolic effects of insulin are hampered as the insulin receptors no longer function as well to trigger glucose and amino acid transporters to the surface of the cell.

A calorie is not a calorie is not a calorie and not all fats and carbs are created equally.

You are what you eat - junk in, junk out.

I agree. But only one person has pointed out any flaws in diet number 2. I wonder how many people would think diet #3 is any good? Bulking on relatively low carb.

Diet 3

6am - 8 large eggs

9am - 2 scoops Whey Isolate
2TB ANPB

12am - 8oz Sirloin
4 Fish Oil Caps
1/2 Cup Broccoli w 1TB Olive Oil

3pm - Pre Workout
6oz Chicken Breast
10 Almonds

5pm - Post Workout
50g Whey Isolate
60g Dextose

7pm - 8oz Salmon
1 cup brocolli

9pm - 40g whey/casein mix
10g fish oil
2TB ANPB


This will lower your LDL and Tri's and raise HDL. Should cover vitamins/minerals. Just enough carbs post workout to spike insulin. Glycogen recovers on its own since weightlifting alone doesn't really deplete levels. Plenty of fat for energy and protein and total cals for growth.

 

[st8grad]

Saturated fats
Hormone byproducts from the Cows being treated in a corporate farm
the simple carbs in the buns ( insulin issues)
and just the quality should be our primary health concern
not to mention the LAck of Vitamins and mineral

eat what God gave you not greedy corporate man

a calorie is NOT a calorie in this case its death

This includes those bastards at Whole Foods that think "organic" gives them a right to rip us off with OUTRAGEOUS prices. They are a perfect example of a company taking something very good and deciding to make a HEFTY profit off of it.

 

[Nelson Montana]

watch Supersize or whatever the movie made by Spurlock.
Pay attention to what the doctors say about his health after 25 days on the McDonald diet.

Seriously, watch the movie before you decide on that diet.

I saw it 3 years ago or something like that. Since then I have been to McDonalds 4 times. Twice the same day my son was born only because I had no time to eat.

That movie was total bullshit. The guy purposely over-ate and purposely did not exercise. You can get sick eating any food for a month. Eat nothing but celery and lettuce for a month and you'll drop dead.

It's all very simple. McDonalds is obviously not the best food but I don't think it's so bad and other food is so good. As 8 mentions, the stats aren't that different. Sure, more saturated fats and not enough vits and mins but thta's what DX7 is for! It has more vits and mins that you'll ever get from food.

And a little saturated fat won't kill you, especially if you exercise. Saturated fats benefit the thyroid. The thyroid burns fat. (Pretty cool, eh?)

Bottom Line. Eat clean wholesome food as often as possible, but Mc Donalds now and then won't make one bit of difference. It comes down to macronutrient balance, nutrients and calories.

 

[Tatyana]

That movie was total bullshit. The guy purposely over-ate and purposely did not exercise. You can get sick eating any food for a month. Eat nothing but celery and lettuce for a month and you'll drop dead.

It's all very simple. McDonalds is obviously not the best food but I don't think it's so bad and other food is so good. As 8 mentions, the stats aren't that different. Sure, more saturated fats and not enough vits and mins but thta's what DX7 is for! It has more vits and mins that you'll ever get from food.

And a little saturated fat won't kill you, especially if you exercise. Saturated fats benefit the thyroid. The thyroid burns fat. (Pretty cool, eh?)

Bottom Line. Eat clean wholesome food as often as possible, but Mc Donalds now and then won't make one bit of difference. It comes down to macronutrient balance, nutrients and calories.

So true, unless you already have some pathological condition like heart disease or diabetes.

When I have a cheat meal though, it is most certainly not going to be McDonald's.

Just not worth the calories, nor does it taste all that great.

Now some of the proper cake shops in Kennsington or Sloane Square like Godiva with those wee but ever so rich proper chocolate and cream cakes.

 

[Nelson Montana]

So true, unless you already have some pathological condition like heart disease or diabetes.

When I have a cheat meal though, it is most certainly not going to be McDonald's.

Just not worth the calories, nor does it taste all that great.

Now some of the proper cake shops in Kennsington or Sloane Square like Godiva with those wee but ever so rich proper chocolate and cream cakes.

That's what it comes down to. We're all human and the need to eat is a pleasure so what are you going to choose? I'm not a big McDonalds fan but if I get in the mood for it I'll make sure I don't eat an equally crappy meal right after it. It's high in cals and salt and fat so just make sure you can afford it and that you don't then pile more cals and salt and fat on top of it.

McDonalds isn't some evil corporation. They sell tasty quick, cheap food. It isn't poison. And you don't have to add the apple pie, large soda and ice cream to the meal you know.

 

[hurricane]

lol u know that the fat and carbs in the 2 meals u compared are way different even if they the same numbers

 

[OMEGA]

This includes those bastards at Whole Foods that think "organic" gives them a right to rip us off with OUTRAGEOUS prices. They are a perfect example of a company taking something very good and deciding to make a HEFTY profit off of it.

screw them too, whole foods and Molly stones are just a place rich people can waste money

Grow your own veggies and buy organic meats direct

 

[Nelson Montana]

screw them too, whole foods and Molly stones are just a place rich people can waste money

Grow your own veggies and buy organic meats direct

That would mean having to freeze the meat and I can't eat meat that isn't fresh. It just doesn't taste as good once it's been frozen.

Growing ones own vegetables is great but not convenient or practical in many cases. (Certainly not in Manhattan). You have to pay for good food but again, there's plenty of wholesome food that isn't expensive and every meal doesn't have to be organic. That's a rip-off term half the time anyway.

 

[OMEGA]

hi

Roof tops can be an Excellent place to grow a garden!
You can team up with the whole building and find a way to yield the most per square foot and also learn about soil, and also seasonal planting!

Roof top gardens are great for air quality, if alot more roof tops did them in a city the air would be much Cleaner.

get an automatic watering system and the ONLy labor will be picking the fruite and planting it!

Also you can have great basic Herb ( not weed lol) garden on a small porch or even window planter!



Frozedn meat agreed but most of us eat frozen meat of just abotu frozen even though it may not be marketed that way. fyi.


I am trooper I can eat frozen stuff I eat like Spartan most of the time out principle and practicality.

 

[Para_Shoot]

I agree. But only one person has pointed out any flaws in diet number 2. I wonder how many people would think diet #3 is any good? Bulking on relatively low carb.

Diet 3

6am - 8 large eggs

9am - 2 scoops Whey Isolate
2TB ANPB

12am - 8oz Sirloin
4 Fish Oil Caps
1/2 Cup Broccoli w 1TB Olive Oil

3pm - Pre Workout
6oz Chicken Breast
10 Almonds

5pm - Post Workout
50g Whey Isolate
60g Dextose

7pm - 8oz Salmon
1 cup brocolli

9pm - 40g whey/casein mix
10g fish oil
2TB ANPB


This will lower your LDL and Tri's and raise HDL. Should cover vitamins/minerals. Just enough carbs post workout to spike insulin. Glycogen recovers on its own since weightlifting alone doesn't really deplete levels. Plenty of fat for energy and protein and total cals for growth.

That diet you have here would be starvation and hunger pains to me. From 6am to 12 noon I would need more food. Eight eggs won't cut it untill lunchtime. The lunce meal is good. The 3pm meal is just a light snack as far as the amount of food to fill your tummy. Between 3pm and 7pm I would get so hungry again, especially after a workout. The 7pm meal is just half of what I could eat. I eat a pound of salmon at dinner all the time. It's not going to overstuff you. I have gotten pretty cut up from a lot more than what is listed. Also depends on what juice a person is on. Sometimes the hunger pains from juice just have to be satisfied. I don't see how that diet is a "bulker" at all.

 

[chazk]

Diet 1 is lacking fiber ,vitamins and minerals
Diet 2 is better becuase it has some fiber and unsaturated fats.


Diet 3 is what your real diet is going to be even that is so/so

you mentioned crappy carbs bread vs yams .Yams benifit is in its fiber and ability not not spike insulin , The bread contians sugar and the yams are complex .
Plus the bread they use is white having very few vitamin and minerals .

Now if you do not think fat from red meat is not clogging .Your crazy many studies have been done on fish vs redmeat diets and the heart risk.

Diet 3 is borderline starvation for a bulker compared to your first 2 diets

I think you should follow each diet for 6 weeks and let us know your results

 

[serpentnine]

Now some of the proper cake shops in Kennsington or Sloane Square like Godiva with those wee but ever so rich proper chocolate and cream cakes.

Arrgh! Now I'm drooling into my keyboard!

Speaking of nutrients, though -- diet 1 is deficient in vitamins D, E, K, and possibly C and A (depending on how anemic your tomato slices are.) It has 12 grams (!) of sodium and 4 of potassium. It meets or exceeds the RDA in other respects.

Diet 2 is deficient in vitamins D, E, K, but also folate and calcium, and barely squeaks by in zinc, B-12, magnesium, iron, and thiamin. It has 0.7 g sodium and 6 g of potassium (though hopefully you'd add a little salt to your baked sweet potatoes.

Diet 3 is deficient in nothing, though it does barely squeak by for folate. It has 2.5 g sodium, and 4.3 of potassium. It is also only about 3000 kcals (150 fat, 100 carb, 300 protein,) almost 2k less than the other diets.

Add a couple Godiva squares and cream cakes to that last diet, and at least going by the numbers, it sounds like the best of the bunch.

 

[Nelson Montana]

Arrgh! Now I'm drooling into my keyboard!

Speaking of nutrients, though -- diet 1 is deficient in vitamins D, E, K, and possibly C and A (depending on how anemic your tomato slices are.) It has 12 grams (!) of sodium and 4 of potassium. It meets or exceeds the RDA in other respects.

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All easily correctable with a couple of DX7's. (Too much vit K is not desirable. )


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Diet 2 is deficient in vitamins D, E, K, but also folate and calcium, and barely squeaks by in zinc, B-12, magnesium, iron, and thiamin. It has 0.7 g sodium and 6 g of potassium (though hopefully you'd add a little salt to your baked sweet potatoes.

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Same answer as above.


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Diet 3 is deficient in nothing, though it does barely squeak by for folate. It has 2.5 g sodium, and 4.3 of potassium. It is also only about 3000 kcals (150 fat, 100 carb, 300 protein,) almost 2k less than the other diets.

Add a couple Godiva squares and cream cakes to that last diet, and at least going by the numbers, it sounds like the best of the bunch.
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I kinda like the Dove bar dark chocolate squares myself.

Once again, macro and micro nutrients. Fiber. Water. Not too much sugar. Food is food.

..

 

[jvilma51]

how come the feds don't go over mcdonalds, or wendys, or any fast food place.... some people eat that food everday become obeses have heart attacks do to arteries being clogged and die.... okay so they are making this war on AAS.... what can come out of a 10 or 15 week well planned cycle....maybe some uneven blood levels....a slim chance of a shorter life span.....and not to mention a stronger, faster, more confident or happy person....idk i mean just comparing these two a little bit i think the fast food is more dangerous....

 

[Nelson Montana]

how come the feds don't go over mcdonalds, or wendys, or any fast food place.... some people eat that food everday become obeses have heart attacks do to arteries being clogged and die.... okay so they are making this war on anabolic androgenic steroids.... what can come out of a 10 or 15 week well planned cycle....maybe some uneven blood levels....a slim chance of a shorter life span.....and not to mention a stronger, faster, more confident or happy person....idk i mean just comparing these two a little bit i think the fast food is more dangerous....

Wildest stretch of an analogy I've seen in some time.

 

[redguru]

Still unsure (for those worried about Cholesterol) that dietary cholesterol has any effect on serum cholesterol. The jury is still out as to correlation.

 

[OMEGA]

hi

Roof tops can be an Excellent place to grow a garden!
You can team up with the whole building and find a way to yield the most per square foot and also learn about soil, and also seasonal planting!

Roof top gardens are great for air quality, if alot more roof tops did them in a city the air would be much Cleaner.

get an automatic watering system and the ONLy labor will be picking the fruite and planting it!

Also you can have great basic Herb ( not weed lol) garden on a small porch or even window planter!


y.

I am not a hippy

 

[Pat_McCrotch]

Could be your 'strain' was actually a virus and not a bacteria.

I agree soooo many MDs give antibiotics when not needed. this can also make you feel like shit too because it not olny kills the bad bacteria but can also knocl out the good as well.

 

[Pat_McCrotch]

This includes those bastards at Whole Foods that think "organic" gives them a right to rip us off with OUTRAGEOUS prices. They are a perfect example of a company taking something very good and deciding to make a HEFTY profit off of it.

LOL. I like reading your threads.

 

[THE GOOD SUN]

I wouldn't feed my dog McDonalds

 

[jvilma51]

Wildest stretch of an analogy I've seen in some time.

lol it is but jus tryin to make a point....its a stretch but atleast i tried

 

[Ralph_Wiggum]

Wildest stretch of an analogy I've seen in some time.

not half as wild as saying food is food. The food you eat has drug-like effects, especially if you eat that food consistently over an extended period of time. Most fast food wreaks havoc on one's digestive system, and the little protein/nutrients that are in that food are not properly absorbed if at all. We have known for years and years that a calorie is not just a calorie.

On another note: if a person were to eat McD's instead of quality food, they would have to have the willpower of a non-emotional machine to not 'tweak' each meal for mood/taste/compulsion. Its for the same reason people sometimes cut out peanut butter and cheese from a strict diet: b/c of the addictive qualities of the food, its hard to hold back one's compulsions in order to restrict the servings to a calorie-measurement that fits in one's diet goals. If a person DID have that kind of willpower, they would be making the tweaks in their lifestyle to cook/prepare/pack/transport their own meals instead of eating that dogshit food.

The only reason IMO one would debate this is simply to justify their own bad habits. I'm speaking from personal experience here. Being an endomorph, one of the best lifestyle decisions I made in the past year was to eliminate certain foods that weren't necessarily bad, but possessed serving sizes un-feasible for me to implement b/c of snacking/stretching portions. I also made the decisions to cut out fast food completely. Certain decent quality restraunt food, and different versions of my own favorite meals @ larger portion sizes were my "Cheat Meals". My job has me on the road in my car half the week, so if I don't have a meal in a bag on me, I will stop @ a walgreens or gas station and pickup some pre-made Muscle Milks or low-carb protein bars (the metrx or pure protien bars are usually my choice). Being "on the go" w/o prepared food is NO excuse. They have geezer-stops (walgreens/CVS/etc) as frequent as you see fast food places, and gas stations are a no-brainer.

 

[OMEGA]

I wouldn't feed my dog McDonalds

 

[Nelson Montana]

not half as wild as saying food is food. The food you eat has drug-like effects, especially if you eat that food consistently over an extended period of time. Most fast food wreaks havoc on one's digestive system, and the little protein/nutrients that are in that food are not properly absorbed if at all. We have known for years and years that a calorie is not just a calorie.

On another note: if a person were to eat McD's instead of quality food, they would have to have the willpower of a non-emotional machine to not 'tweak' each meal for mood/taste/compulsion. Its for the same reason people sometimes cut out peanut butter and cheese from a strict diet: b/c of the addictive qualities of the food, its hard to hold back one's compulsions in order to restrict the servings to a calorie-measurement that fits in one's diet goals. If a person DID have that kind of willpower, they would be making the tweaks in their lifestyle to cook/prepare/pack/transport their own meals instead of eating that dogshit food.

The only reason IMO one would debate this is simply to justify their own bad habits. I'm speaking from personal experience here. Being an endomorph, one of the best lifestyle decisions I made in the past year was to eliminate certain foods that weren't necessarily bad, but possessed serving sizes un-feasible for me to implement b/c of snacking/stretching portions. I also made the decisions to cut out fast food completely. Certain decent quality restraunt food, and different versions of my own favorite meals @ larger portion sizes were my "Cheat Meals". My job has me on the road in my car half the week, so if I don't have a meal in a bag on me, I will stop @ a walgreens or gas station and pickup some pre-made Muscle Milks or low-carb protein bars (the metrx or pure protien bars are usually my choice). Being "on the go" w/o prepared food is NO excuse. They have geezer-stops (walgreens/CVS/etc) as frequent as you see fast food places, and gas stations are a no-brainer.

Irrelevant. No one said to eat it consistently but a Big Mac once a month isn't going to kill you . McD also has filett of fish, grilled chicken, salads -- it's not so bad. I admit not the best stuff in the world but I'm not defending them. I just think there is a lot of food that people think is great is just as bad. Met Rx has hydrogenated oil and sugar. Fruit increases triglycerides. Flax oil increases estrogen. It's all about balance.

I think it's great that you choose to eat clean, but after a certain point, it doesn't make much of a difference. It's not like eating a spartan diet is going to make you live forever.

 

[Ralph_Wiggum]

Irrelevant. No one said to eat it consistently but a Big Mac once a month isn't going to kill you . McD also has filett of fish, grilled chicken, salads -- it's not so bad. I admit not the best stuff in the world but I'm not defending them. I just think there is a lot of food that people think is great is just as bad. Met Rx has hydrogenated oil and sugar. Fruit increases triglycerides. Flax oil increases estrogen. It's all about balance.

I think it's great that you choose to eat clean, but after a certain point, it doesn't make much of a difference. It's not like eating a spartan diet is going to make you live forever.

well, I was under the impression that you were referring to a person incorporating McD's on a regular basis, not once a month. Obviously, 1x/month will not cause many problems if any.

 

[abolish the weak]

Now nobody in the gym in their right mind is going to do a McDonalds diet like that, BUT the guy who throws in some high cal meals here and there from a fast food place vs. the guy who eats clean all the time, the dude who junks up will be stronger and bigger over time. Guaranteed. Everybody has this big misconception about bodybuilding because the mainstream bullshit that is shoved down their throats. First off, 5 cans of tuna/day along w/ some rice will not make you grow. And what the fuck is the point of 400 grams of protien/day if your calories are hardly maintenance level? I'll tell you what it's all about, its pussy ass marketing ploys that supplement companies have between magazines that advocate over training so people buy more supplements thinking that's the real problem, when in fact their diet is the issue. I know one IFBB pro personally who cheats EVERY SINGLE DAY. He has a cheat meal EVERY SINGLE DAY, even up to a show. He says it's vital for him because it keeps his body from becoming used to dieting and keeps his metabolism firing. Another friend of mine who is training for the Nationals, in his off season he eats a Tortino's frozen pizza every day!! He eats McDonalds, pizza, subs, whatever, on almost a daily basis. Dont get me wrong, he eats clean 70-80% of the time. So no, I'm not saying a McDonalds diet is the way to go, but going there a few times/wk isnt going to hurt anything when building is your goal.

 

[Nelson Montana]

Now nobody in the gym in their right mind is going to do a McDonalds diet like that, BUT the guy who throws in some high cal meals here and there from a fast food place vs. the guy who eats clean all the time, the dude who junks up will be stronger and bigger over time. Guaranteed. Everybody has this big misconception about bodybuilding because the mainstream bullshit that is shoved down their throats. First off, 5 cans of tuna/day along w/ some rice will not make you grow. And what the fuck is the point of 400 grams of protien/day if your calories are hardly maintenance level? I'll tell you what it's all about, its pussy ass marketing ploys that supplement companies have between magazines that advocate over training so people buy more supplements thinking that's the real problem, when in fact their diet is the issue. I know one IFBB pro personally who cheats EVERY SINGLE DAY. He has a cheat meal EVERY SINGLE DAY, even up to a show. He says it's vital for him because it keeps his body from becoming used to dieting and keeps his metabolism firing. Another friend of mine who is training for the Nationals, in his off season he eats a Tortino's frozen pizza every day!! He eats McDonalds, pizza, subs, whatever, on almost a daily basis. Dont get me wrong, he eats clean 70-80% of the time. So no, I'm not saying a McDonalds diet is the way to go, but going there a few times/wk isnt going to hurt anything when building is your goal.

Exactly. Thank you.

 

[hurricane]

a few cheat meals here and there wont kill u but if u base your diet around crap for cals .. u will look and feel like crap in the long run

 

[GUARDIAN]

I have a cheat ITEM everday and when holidays, bdays, etc. roll around I allow myself a cheat meal. It keeps me sane and I follow my diet better. I look forward to the cheat item. I consider it a reward for my hard work resisting temptation throughout the day and busting my ass in the gym.

 

[abolish the weak]

a few cheat meals here and there wont kill u but if u base your diet around crap for cals .. u will look and feel like crap in the long run

Yes, over a period of time the average person will, but we are not talking about regular people here. Bodybuilding is an extreme sport, we are either bulking up and gaining strength and accepting some bf, or losing bf and accepting some loss in strength/size. Therefore, the guys who eat at McDonald's and BK and are serious about bodybuilding are not doing it for more than a few months usually. Your right though, its all about BASING the diet around good foods or bad. If you base it around clean foods but supplement with high cal fast food I think that's good for building muscle. The biggest and strongest that I ever was was when I'd come home after training and eat 2 chicken breasts and about 3 cups of rice, then smoke a joint and hit up McDonalds 90 minutes later for another 1000 calories.

 

[Mr.Nickels55]

mcdonalds diet.....LMFAO

 

[chazk]

Mcdonalds should throw back at everyone .
Why not?
I am sure if a giant fat ass say maybe 500lbs went everyday and ate one egg burito with water,then came back for lunch had salad no dressings with a cup of water,then had a hamburger with a diet coke for dinner,his calories would be below 1400 and he would loose fat pretty quick,
Then mcdonalds would have a used to fat, turned into a skinny flabby turd as a spokeman.
Subway did it, had a guy take a sub cut it into three pieces and eat it for breakfast lunch and dinner to lose weight.

 

[Mavafanculo]

D1 vs D2

in terms of physical changes, you'll gain more fat on D1 due to much higher insulin levels from bun vs sweet potatoe and the marginal worsening of insulin resistence from hi levels of saturated fats. the IR will also tend to concentrate the fat around your midsection. muscle gains probably comparable, but you'll probably lose alittle more from D1 in cutting since there's more fat to lose


in terms of cardiovascular aging, D1 is some big multiple times worse - all other things being equal,
-the higher glycemic bun will keep insulin higher, the better to fill and possibly hyperplaise (is that a word?) fat cells
-saturated fat will add more artery plaque than other fats,
-the trans fats in micky d's will increase the perioxidation AND lower HDL compounding matters.
-the fish oil on the other hand will RAISE hdl, lower triglycrides, and not perioxidize to increase plaque
-the fish oil will lower bp
-the fish oil will decrease insulin resistence

soo D1 is more fun, D2 will let you live longer and look better doing it (but you may WANT to die after eating that much fish oil every day)

 

[serpentnine]

soo D1 is more fun, D2 will let you live longer and look better doing it (but you may WANT to die after eating that much fish oil every day)

On the other hand, you could clear a room with a single hearty fish-belch. Think of the benefits -- for example, when standing in a long line at the bank... *bwaaaaahuhrp* and voila, you'd get to go first. Sort of like having a super power!

 

[mr.nitro]

belive it or not I was on a low carb cutting diet that was basicly mostly mcdonalds burgers without the bun. I droped 60lbs in a year without cycling.