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Debate McDonald's diet verses clean diet on cycle

Nelson Montana said:
Wildest stretch of an analogy I've seen in some time.


not half as wild as saying food is food. The food you eat has drug-like effects, especially if you eat that food consistently over an extended period of time. Most fast food wreaks havoc on one's digestive system, and the little protein/nutrients that are in that food are not properly absorbed if at all. We have known for years and years that a calorie is not just a calorie.

On another note: if a person were to eat McD's instead of quality food, they would have to have the willpower of a non-emotional machine to not 'tweak' each meal for mood/taste/compulsion. Its for the same reason people sometimes cut out peanut butter and cheese from a strict diet: b/c of the addictive qualities of the food, its hard to hold back one's compulsions in order to restrict the servings to a calorie-measurement that fits in one's diet goals. If a person DID have that kind of willpower, they would be making the tweaks in their lifestyle to cook/prepare/pack/transport their own meals instead of eating that dogshit food.

The only reason IMO one would debate this is simply to justify their own bad habits. I'm speaking from personal experience here. Being an endomorph, one of the best lifestyle decisions I made in the past year was to eliminate certain foods that weren't necessarily bad, but possessed serving sizes un-feasible for me to implement b/c of snacking/stretching portions. I also made the decisions to cut out fast food completely. Certain decent quality restraunt food, and different versions of my own favorite meals @ larger portion sizes were my "Cheat Meals". My job has me on the road in my car half the week, so if I don't have a meal in a bag on me, I will stop @ a walgreens or gas station and pickup some pre-made Muscle Milks or low-carb protein bars (the metrx or pure protien bars are usually my choice). Being "on the go" w/o prepared food is NO excuse. They have geezer-stops (walgreens/CVS/etc) as frequent as you see fast food places, and gas stations are a no-brainer.
 
Ralph_Wiggum said:
not half as wild as saying food is food. The food you eat has drug-like effects, especially if you eat that food consistently over an extended period of time. Most fast food wreaks havoc on one's digestive system, and the little protein/nutrients that are in that food are not properly absorbed if at all. We have known for years and years that a calorie is not just a calorie.

On another note: if a person were to eat McD's instead of quality food, they would have to have the willpower of a non-emotional machine to not 'tweak' each meal for mood/taste/compulsion. Its for the same reason people sometimes cut out peanut butter and cheese from a strict diet: b/c of the addictive qualities of the food, its hard to hold back one's compulsions in order to restrict the servings to a calorie-measurement that fits in one's diet goals. If a person DID have that kind of willpower, they would be making the tweaks in their lifestyle to cook/prepare/pack/transport their own meals instead of eating that dogshit food.

The only reason IMO one would debate this is simply to justify their own bad habits. I'm speaking from personal experience here. Being an endomorph, one of the best lifestyle decisions I made in the past year was to eliminate certain foods that weren't necessarily bad, but possessed serving sizes un-feasible for me to implement b/c of snacking/stretching portions. I also made the decisions to cut out fast food completely. Certain decent quality restraunt food, and different versions of my own favorite meals @ larger portion sizes were my "Cheat Meals". My job has me on the road in my car half the week, so if I don't have a meal in a bag on me, I will stop @ a walgreens or gas station and pickup some pre-made Muscle Milks or low-carb protein bars (the metrx or pure protien bars are usually my choice). Being "on the go" w/o prepared food is NO excuse. They have geezer-stops (walgreens/CVS/etc) as frequent as you see fast food places, and gas stations are a no-brainer.


Irrelevant. No one said to eat it consistently but a Big Mac once a month isn't going to kill you . McD also has filett of fish, grilled chicken, salads -- it's not so bad. I admit not the best stuff in the world but I'm not defending them. I just think there is a lot of food that people think is great is just as bad. Met Rx has hydrogenated oil and sugar. Fruit increases triglycerides. Flax oil increases estrogen. It's all about balance.

I think it's great that you choose to eat clean, but after a certain point, it doesn't make much of a difference. It's not like eating a spartan diet is going to make you live forever.
 
Nelson Montana said:
Irrelevant. No one said to eat it consistently but a Big Mac once a month isn't going to kill you . McD also has filett of fish, grilled chicken, salads -- it's not so bad. I admit not the best stuff in the world but I'm not defending them. I just think there is a lot of food that people think is great is just as bad. Met Rx has hydrogenated oil and sugar. Fruit increases triglycerides. Flax oil increases estrogen. It's all about balance.

I think it's great that you choose to eat clean, but after a certain point, it doesn't make much of a difference. It's not like eating a spartan diet is going to make you live forever.


well, I was under the impression that you were referring to a person incorporating McD's on a regular basis, not once a month. Obviously, 1x/month will not cause many problems if any.
 
Now nobody in the gym in their right mind is going to do a McDonalds diet like that, BUT the guy who throws in some high cal meals here and there from a fast food place vs. the guy who eats clean all the time, the dude who junks up will be stronger and bigger over time. Guaranteed. Everybody has this big misconception about bodybuilding because the mainstream bullshit that is shoved down their throats. First off, 5 cans of tuna/day along w/ some rice will not make you grow. And what the fuck is the point of 400 grams of protien/day if your calories are hardly maintenance level? I'll tell you what it's all about, its pussy ass marketing ploys that supplement companies have between magazines that advocate over training so people buy more supplements thinking that's the real problem, when in fact their diet is the issue. I know one IFBB pro personally who cheats EVERY SINGLE DAY. He has a cheat meal EVERY SINGLE DAY, even up to a show. He says it's vital for him because it keeps his body from becoming used to dieting and keeps his metabolism firing. Another friend of mine who is training for the Nationals, in his off season he eats a Tortino's frozen pizza every day!! He eats McDonalds, pizza, subs, whatever, on almost a daily basis. Dont get me wrong, he eats clean 70-80% of the time. So no, I'm not saying a McDonalds diet is the way to go, but going there a few times/wk isnt going to hurt anything when building is your goal.
 
abolish the weak said:
Now nobody in the gym in their right mind is going to do a McDonalds diet like that, BUT the guy who throws in some high cal meals here and there from a fast food place vs. the guy who eats clean all the time, the dude who junks up will be stronger and bigger over time. Guaranteed. Everybody has this big misconception about bodybuilding because the mainstream bullshit that is shoved down their throats. First off, 5 cans of tuna/day along w/ some rice will not make you grow. And what the fuck is the point of 400 grams of protien/day if your calories are hardly maintenance level? I'll tell you what it's all about, its pussy ass marketing ploys that supplement companies have between magazines that advocate over training so people buy more supplements thinking that's the real problem, when in fact their diet is the issue. I know one IFBB pro personally who cheats EVERY SINGLE DAY. He has a cheat meal EVERY SINGLE DAY, even up to a show. He says it's vital for him because it keeps his body from becoming used to dieting and keeps his metabolism firing. Another friend of mine who is training for the Nationals, in his off season he eats a Tortino's frozen pizza every day!! He eats McDonalds, pizza, subs, whatever, on almost a daily basis. Dont get me wrong, he eats clean 70-80% of the time. So no, I'm not saying a McDonalds diet is the way to go, but going there a few times/wk isnt going to hurt anything when building is your goal.

Exactly. Thank you.
 
a few cheat meals here and there wont kill u but if u base your diet around crap for cals .. u will look and feel like crap in the long run
 
I have a cheat ITEM everday and when holidays, bdays, etc. roll around I allow myself a cheat meal. It keeps me sane and I follow my diet better. I look forward to the cheat item. I consider it a reward for my hard work resisting temptation throughout the day and busting my ass in the gym.
 
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