Dasani's Destiny

[dasani75]

Week 1}: I just started my 1st cycle of winny. I am going to be doing a 6-week cycle w/Hydroxycut.
4 days into it= starting dose @12.5 mg and stable; I know a little on the high side, but no signs of virilization yet (knock on wood) Keeping ya posted, took a b4 pic.
Tell ya what I am feeling like Chung Lee in Street fighter. Kicking some booty....
Diet in check, high protien intake and plenty of H20. Cardio and weight training in effect.
My other thread lists my diet and work out plan. Let's hear some feedback and opinions.
Please be easy on me, I'm a new jack
THANKX- Dasani75

 

[Sassy69]

Just curious - oral or inject winny? Generally I think winny takes 2 weeks to "kick in"?

 

[fitmedic]

get tylers detox factor---AND QUICK!!!

 

[dasani75]

orals

 

[dasani75]

Wanted to ask if retaining water and feeling bloated have anything to do w/winny and adding 5lbs since I started I'm @130 lbs now; normally around this time of the month I do hold more water weight, but it seems like my skin is really tight. Anything I should worry about, should I ramp dwn? I posted a recent pic of myself today on my profile, but my thighs seems swollen 20"thighs, any thoughts, thanks. I hope that it's nothing major.
See why I need a lot of cardio, I want definition and I am paying extra attention to my tummy b/c it needs it. Is there any routine for the abs that someone can suggest to help get that sculpted look?

 

[dasani75]

War-
The brand of winny is IP.
Why do you think that I should go longer than 6 weeks? I am looking to gain muscles, not necessary to bulk up, that is a concern for me. That's what I am worried about getting too big I am already starting with 14 1/2" calves. Really, the look I want to achieve is more of Kiana Tom/ Suzy Curry look. The more defined look than just building mass. Would you recommend another round of T3 to cut @ around 7-8 weeks? It has been well over 6 weeks since I last used T3. I want to gain lbm and lose the fat.

 

[BrickGirl]

You don't gain muscle in only 6 weeks

 

[dasani75]

Well, at least I'm starting somewhere.....Genetics plays a major role. That's why I posted a b4 pic, I mean why do ppl turn to AAs? Let's see in 6 weeks. If it's not muscles I'm gaining then what should we call it?
WL- about cutting the tabs; it's tricky but done nicely. It's all in the bite. You split, bite then lick.

 

[dasani75]

Sorry, for my lack of knowledge that I may seem to have on bodybuilding and AAs. I am only asking questions to satisfy my concerns before I go with it. I am not disagreeing w/anyone b/c I look more into the answers. I'm here looking for useful info and some positive vibes. Thanks everyone for the help so far.

 

[Sassy69]

The idea w/ AS, particularly for women is low & slow. Don't forget that you are introducing foreign substance into your body that is going to take a little while for your body to adjust to -- some sides from winny can be hoarse voice and possibly lower of voice, zits, increased clit sensitivity, and possible "loss" or interruption of your period. None of these happen immediately but they can happen. Ditto for muscle growth. I checked your pic -- its a good place to start, but remember that just throwing in a "magic" pill won't make a 50" chest pop out. A little note regarding calves -- most people are born w/ them and that's the way they stay. You were probably one of the lucky ones who got some nice calf genes. I look at mine -- definitely inherited from my dad -- just measured in at near 17". But as you said, genetics -- my dad's calves are practically as big as his quads.

The key to remember is that you can build or cut on winny -- its the diet that will make that difference.

See how you look at 6 weeks, but generally it takes longer to really see some nice results - not saying you won't see any results, but it takes time, patience, clean diet & hard lifting to get the best out of it.

Anyone have any comments on how long you keep the results once you go off a cycle of oral winny?

 

[dasani75]

I don't want to start a "pissing match" on this board and hope people's responses can remain positive. I am looking for advice as well as what to expect while on this cycle.

As such, I'll beg to differ with anyone who thinks solid lbm gains cannot be made in 6 weeks, as well as post the following findings of a study from a friend of mine. Typical male 8 wk cycles with the use of test, deca and dbol gain between 15-25 solid lbm.

Now lets face it we're not talking apples to apples here. Women have completely different expereinces with AAS. (One of the reason why I look to this board for assistance) But if solid lbm gains cannot be made within a 6 week period, then why is anyone in this AAS game to begin with? I mean what are the advantages in "toying" with our natural systems? Solid anabolic lbm gains is the reason I am trying Winny and why I want to use T3 at the end of the cycle for androgenic responses.

War: I could possibly add weeks to the end, assuming no virilization at the 12.5mg's, but I've researched this and think the T3 and Nov. will do just fine and minimize the risks.

I am not sure what my genetic potential is in terms of lbm or "looks", my experimentation with AAS is to jump start the process and certainly not shorten it. I am in this for the long haul and love the sport.

I've attached an excerpts of some of my research
==== Attahed Note=====================
Characteristics of AAS:
There are two clearly discernable characteristics of interest to BBers. Anabolic: muscle growth/hypertrophy. and Androgenic: strength, aggression, fat burning. Most AAS possess these two characteristics in varying ratios, and in various strengths. For example, Halotestin may be seen to produce a pure androgenic response, but no anabolic response. Deca, on the other hand, will produce anabolism with no significant androgenic response. Test produces roughly a 50 percent anabolic response, and 50 percent androgenic response. Then there is strength of response. Winstrol is a moderate, pure anabolic. Anavar is a moderate, pure androgen. Trenbolone is a very powerful androgen(80 percent of total response), much more powerful than the androgenic characteristics of test. Tren's anabolic characteristic(20 percent of total response), is weaker than that of test. And so on. I have built a complete table of response characteristics of all the AAS components we use.
Winstrol is a moderate, pure anabolic

 

[Temple]

Am I understanding this correctly????
You are going to do 6 weeks of winny to gain lean mass and then going to do T3 AFTER the winny cycle is over????

 

[dasani75]

Temple - this is what I have planned? I've asked for opinions, concerns and questions, but haven't really gotten any solid answers. I'm new to this game and up until 2 days ago when I found this site only have Men and men's oponions on what to do.

Winny for the lbm gain and the T3 (high protein to avoid lbm canibailzation) to further the tightening?

Sassy: Is it the same as a man that would need to plan a post cycle and then subsequently cut down the road as the body has gotten use to the newly added lbm (muscle memory.) And I know, my husband would kill for my claves - hahahaah.

This is mainly being used as a cut and I am NOT looking to pack on big numbers or any for that matter - subsequently diet is @15-1700 cals and I shoot for 200 grams protein - eating 5 times a day.

Thanks again for everyones' comments - some more advice would be great swwing I'm in day 5 of week 1.

 

[Temple]

Dasani - I am not trying to flame you so please don't take it that way. What you are interpreting as rhetoric is coming from some very experienced folks...when Sassy, Lobo and Brick talk, I listen because they know what they are talking about.
I am concerned that you are using IP winny, this guy brews up gear in his bathtub with whatever he has available so you may or may not be taking winny. If it is winny it there may or may not be 50mg in each tab and winny can bite you in the butt if you aren't careful with it.
Second, in 6 weeks you will have gained a bit of muscle providing that you diet and training are on track but not enough to make it worth your while. You really need to do some reading on T3 because it does not discriminate between fat and muscle and eating a high protein diet won't keep it from catabolizing whatever muscle you gained from the short winny cycle. T3 should ALWAYS be used with an AAS.

You are a big girl and responsible for your body so if you want to take the IP by all means have at it and if you want to use the T3 without an AAs then you can do that too, but if you want the help of some of the most experienced folks around then don't ask for advice and get mad when they give it to you.

Again, at the upper right hand corner of the page is a button labeled "search" I would really recommend that you do a search on winny, IP and T3 before you go any further.

 

[dasani75]

Thanks gusy for the info - I guess I was looking for more responses such as the last. It's helpful to get the why's and why not's and not just the questions.

If Winny takes two weeks to kick in, my purpose of using T3 was to lean out as there will most likely be Winny still in my system (anyone know the half life? - I've read 48hrs (injectable) to 1-2 day for tabs.

Everyone's input is gladly accepted and I appreciate the IP advice. I've had male friends who have used it with no problems, but then again - they won't be as succeptable to a potpourri of products in the "mix".

If I was to re-think my cycle (Ie. stop it) and re-group my thoughts and possibly AAS of choice, is Anavar a better? I only have this one body and I really don't want to screw it up.

Thanks again and apologies if anyone thought I was flaming. I am definitely here to head advice and NOT ask questions and continue doing what I want, makes no sense and I need advice.

 

[MS]

Dasani, aside from the already very good advice you've gotten here so far, I think someone needs to address the issue of why you can't compare men's cycles/results to women's cycles/ results. First, the main theory behind keeping cycles short is because males are taking VERY large doses compared to you......10-20 times as much is not uncommon. They also have testicles that produce testosterone and lots of other goodies These testicles can atrophy, sometimes irreversibly, causing them to have testosterone crashes if cycles are too long. None of this applies to women. 12.5mg of winny is not enough to give you the same kind of muscle gains in 6 weeks that a guy can get from taking 600-1000mg or more each week. You also don't have to worry about testiclular atrophy. You will be lucky to gain more than a couple of pounds of muscle in 6 weeks at 12.5mg. And you certainly WON'T keep any of it if you follow it with a round of T3. If you want to use T3, I suggest you keep to the schedule you've outlined, but keep the winny in until the end of the T3 cycle. This will protect your muscle gains somewhat.

And no one here is flaming you. We're giving you advice based on a lot of experiences with WOMEN using AAS. That's why it's called a women's board. Men and women are not the same Viva la difference. Sometimes we get a bit titchy because all too often we see men telling women how to take AAS based on what works for men rather than what is optimal for women. We just want to be certain that you don't go down this path and basically waste a decent cycle of winny (even if it is only IP....which is another matter altogether!)

 

[MS]

Oops, we must have crossed posts. Anavar is prolly no better than winny since finding real Anavar on the black market is even rarer than real winny. I'm sure if you shop around you could find something a little better than IP winny though. But that's up to you.

As far as the winny left in your system at the end of the cycle, your blood levels will drop pretty quickly (almost all gone in 2 days), but the changes it has on your metabolism/gene function lasts longer... 1-2 weeks with gradually reducing effects. However I would still advice that you don't start T3 without being on a full dose of winny right through until the end.

 

[dasani75]

MS thanks alot for the post. I was actually told by a male friend to start with 5mgs and up it to 10mgs if no side. Seeing that I decided to go with 50mg Winny pills, it made it impossible. So ater some research I have seen that 12.5-16mgs is safe.

You are right thogh about my determination for 6 weeks - it was "dosed" by the same male friend. Seeing the dosages are so much lower, I guess you guys are telling me to extend from 6 weeks to atleast 8 and more like 10? Is that right?

And is the T3 really needed in my case? Just cause I have it on the shelf, doesn't mean I need to use it. Also, the Anavar I "theoretically" have access to is 2mg scrip. (if that makes a diff.)

P.s. I edited some of my posts. Thanks again guys.

 

[MS]

"Just cause I have it on the shelf, doesn't mean I need to use it"!!

That is one of the nicest quotes I've seen on this board! You certainly don't NEED it to lose fat, but a lot of women USE it for that purpose. Many other competitive bodybuilders (including myself) have never even used the stuff and are able to get well under 10% bodyfat. So it's another choice you have to make, but I strongly suggest you use the "search" button and hunt for WarLobo (username) and T3 (search criteria). read everything you can on it.


And if you have Anavar from a legit pharmacy, then this is BY FAR a better drug to take than ANY black market drug. Start with 4-6mgs per day and see how that works. Keep us up to date on your results pretty please, since this is one of the ways that we gather info/advice for future visitors to this board.

 

[Temple]

IMO - T3 is good for something like a comp or if you need to get down in a hurry for a special event. Once you stop it your metabolism is going to go right back to where it was before you did the T3 and there will be a time when your metabolism will be much slower until your thyroid returns to normal. If it were me I would focus on a good clean diet, plenty of protein maybe rotate the carbs. Do a search of the women's board for Spatt's Cutting Diet. Run the winny for 10 weeks, watch for sides. Everyone is different but I strongly suspect that a large part of my nasty cholesteral profile was from 7.5mg winny/d, my voice is lower although not overly much, I have some serious facial hair issues and my joints gave me hell. Don't get me wrong - I loved the stuff in spite of all of that. If you have access to an oxandrolone script that can be filled at a US pharmacy and can afford it or have insurance that will pay for it, I would stop the winny and go for the script Ox, second choice would be a reputable winsterol either tabs or an injectable taken orally, and my last choice would be to continue the IP. I don't think you will be hurt overly much by stopping the cycle now considering that you are not that far into it and waiting unitl you have a better product that you can dose more accurately.

 

[Sassy69]

Hey girl --

I know how hard it is to come on here w/ a plan that you feel that you fully researched & discussed w/ people. I was right there too a year ago. And of course, my "source of info" was a guy, and my first attempt at a cycle blew up in my face royally. So I stopped, sat down, read & searched everything I could find on this board and then bought the Anabolics 2000 book and talked to some more people before even attempting anything else. Then just when you think you have a plan, everyone on the board has to throw in their 2 cents and you feel like you are back to square one. This is that part called "live & learn"!

You have gotten some of the best advice this board can give & its some of the best advice you will find period. Here's my added comments:

- you are lucky to be born w/ good calves -- these are a special bitch & a half to grow with weight training. Its just one of those genetic things

- you've made some amazing progress back to your original weight after 3 kids -- you are definitely my hero! (I have a cat & I still struggle w/ my weight!) You probably don't need to throw in the t3, however if you do, WarLobo has an awesome thread called something like "I heard T3 can cause brain damage" - search on "T3 brain damage" and "Warlobo" as author on the women's board. I would definitely take it with your cycle because it does indiscriminantly eat both fat & muscle -- so you could easily lose any gains you made during the cycle if you take it after. There's also the whole thing about messign w/ your thyroid. Its just easier without -- you can accomplish many things just by manipulating your diet. I think we've all found that out after looking at whatever AS or clen or t3 as the thing that would make the difference-- but it still comes down to diet, diet, diet.

- if you have an ox script, maybe go w/ that. IP is not always consistently dosed and I'm also not sure if its totally "clean". Any problems tend to show themselves more on women than on men because we are introducing much heavier doses of non-female stuff into our systems. Also same w/ Ttokkyo -- these are also not necessarily the cleanest or most consistently dosed products.

- On a short cycle like 6 weeks, sure you will start to see some gains, but depending on what exactly you are expecting, you might be disappointed. Women can literally run low doses forever if they felt like it (assuming sides are minimal or acceptable). The longer you run the cycle w/ low doses the longer your body has a chance to "establish" its gains and adjust to them. If you notice any short term changes in your body never really seem to stay -- the body can't adjust itself that quickly - it can absorb say a one day carb binge pretty easily, but if you do a short term bombing of carbs you'll end up with a slowed down metabolism and also some water bloat -- for every action there's a reaction Low & slow is the way to go!

 

[dasani75]

Yea- thanks Gals; I appreciate all the Great advice.
Spatts- it's all good. No flaming here.
MS- I will definitely keep y'all posted. I'm hoping to be working towards some good results. Any gain is better than none.
Temple- I am sticking w/6wks, less risky. I did pick up some milk thistle. Better safe than sorry.
Sassy- you go Girl. That positive vive is what I'm talking about; you make me want to strive harder to accomplish my goal "look." See- I am dealing w/many different factors w/my body due to having my "Super-Kids." I'd much rather have muscles than loose skin.
I knew that I would get my butt kicked on here; I can handle it though; I am a Big Girl and am able make my own decisions. Like Sassy said, "you live and learn" I'm learning y'all have lived it.
Still undecided about T3.

 

[BrickGirl]

lets see, I did 4mg winstrol-v a day, upjohn, for 6 months, went from 125lbs to 150lbs, probably put on about 5lbs of muscle. I loved the stuff

 

[fitmedic]

i too did winstrol depot zambon...and yes i did inject--EEEK!!! but everything was fine other than the usual minor sides. i dont sound like a man now, nor do i have a "mini penis." i did get acne on my back which is just now returning to normal. my voice cracked a bit but nothing anyone but me noticed. my joints are so painful now when i try to lift- things i could do before i cant even think of now. my liver enzymes were all screwed up and cholest was way outta whack , they too have finally returned to normal. i loved the gains i made with winni. i gained 15 lbs during my cycle. i looked, IMHO, bad to the bone! im down from 160 lbs to 154-weighed today. still look very cut and have some good size. would i do it again.prolly not. why? i will try to stay away from the 17aa AS. and i dont want to continue to have the liver stressed like it was. even though word has it all AS stress it to some degree but not as much as 17aa. my next cycle will be nan prop w/a touch of test cyp. which should arrive very soon. i also will ad tylers detox and r-ala. im in a bulking phase now trying to get to ~180 (im5'10") then start on the cycle. i will just diet like like a mad woman to try to keep the gains (ok maybe the test too we'll see). aaaanyway, d- be careful w/the t3 girl. maybe you SHOULD try diet first. and be diligent and religious about it. i think youll be amazed. keep us updated