Dasani's Destiny

[dasani75]

I don't want to start a "pissing match" on this board and hope people's responses can remain positive. I am looking for advice as well as what to expect while on this cycle.

As such, I'll beg to differ with anyone who thinks solid lbm gains cannot be made in 6 weeks, as well as post the following findings of a study from a friend of mine. Typical male 8 wk cycles with the use of test, deca and dbol gain between 15-25 solid lbm.

Now lets face it we're not talking apples to apples here. Women have completely different expereinces with AAS. (One of the reason why I look to this board for assistance) But if solid lbm gains cannot be made within a 6 week period, then why is anyone in this AAS game to begin with? I mean what are the advantages in "toying" with our natural systems? Solid anabolic lbm gains is the reason I am trying Winny and why I want to use T3 at the end of the cycle for androgenic responses.

War: I could possibly add weeks to the end, assuming no virilization at the 12.5mg's, but I've researched this and think the T3 and Nov. will do just fine and minimize the risks.

I am not sure what my genetic potential is in terms of lbm or "looks", my experimentation with AAS is to jump start the process and certainly not shorten it. I am in this for the long haul and love the sport.

I've attached an excerpts of some of my research
==== Attahed Note=====================
Characteristics of AAS:
There are two clearly discernable characteristics of interest to BBers. Anabolic: muscle growth/hypertrophy. and Androgenic: strength, aggression, fat burning. Most AAS possess these two characteristics in varying ratios, and in various strengths. For example, Halotestin may be seen to produce a pure androgenic response, but no anabolic response. Deca, on the other hand, will produce anabolism with no significant androgenic response. Test produces roughly a 50 percent anabolic response, and 50 percent androgenic response. Then there is strength of response. Winstrol is a moderate, pure anabolic. Anavar is a moderate, pure androgen. Trenbolone is a very powerful androgen(80 percent of total response), much more powerful than the androgenic characteristics of test. Tren's anabolic characteristic(20 percent of total response), is weaker than that of test. And so on. I have built a complete table of response characteristics of all the AAS components we use.
Winstrol is a moderate, pure anabolic

 

[Temple]

Am I understanding this correctly????
You are going to do 6 weeks of winny to gain lean mass and then going to do T3 AFTER the winny cycle is over????

 

[dasani75]

Temple - this is what I have planned? I've asked for opinions, concerns and questions, but haven't really gotten any solid answers. I'm new to this game and up until 2 days ago when I found this site only have Men and men's oponions on what to do.

Winny for the lbm gain and the T3 (high protein to avoid lbm canibailzation) to further the tightening?

Sassy: Is it the same as a man that would need to plan a post cycle and then subsequently cut down the road as the body has gotten use to the newly added lbm (muscle memory.) And I know, my husband would kill for my claves - hahahaah.

This is mainly being used as a cut and I am NOT looking to pack on big numbers or any for that matter - subsequently diet is @15-1700 cals and I shoot for 200 grams protein - eating 5 times a day.

Thanks again for everyones' comments - some more advice would be great swwing I'm in day 5 of week 1.

 

[Temple]

Dasani - I am not trying to flame you so please don't take it that way. What you are interpreting as rhetoric is coming from some very experienced folks...when Sassy, Lobo and Brick talk, I listen because they know what they are talking about.
I am concerned that you are using IP winny, this guy brews up gear in his bathtub with whatever he has available so you may or may not be taking winny. If it is winny it there may or may not be 50mg in each tab and winny can bite you in the butt if you aren't careful with it.
Second, in 6 weeks you will have gained a bit of muscle providing that you diet and training are on track but not enough to make it worth your while. You really need to do some reading on T3 because it does not discriminate between fat and muscle and eating a high protein diet won't keep it from catabolizing whatever muscle you gained from the short winny cycle. T3 should ALWAYS be used with an AAS.

You are a big girl and responsible for your body so if you want to take the IP by all means have at it and if you want to use the T3 without an AAs then you can do that too, but if you want the help of some of the most experienced folks around then don't ask for advice and get mad when they give it to you.

Again, at the upper right hand corner of the page is a button labeled "search" I would really recommend that you do a search on winny, IP and T3 before you go any further.

 

[dasani75]

Thanks gusy for the info - I guess I was looking for more responses such as the last. It's helpful to get the why's and why not's and not just the questions.

If Winny takes two weeks to kick in, my purpose of using T3 was to lean out as there will most likely be Winny still in my system (anyone know the half life? - I've read 48hrs (injectable) to 1-2 day for tabs.

Everyone's input is gladly accepted and I appreciate the IP advice. I've had male friends who have used it with no problems, but then again - they won't be as succeptable to a potpourri of products in the "mix".

If I was to re-think my cycle (Ie. stop it) and re-group my thoughts and possibly AAS of choice, is Anavar a better? I only have this one body and I really don't want to screw it up.

Thanks again and apologies if anyone thought I was flaming. I am definitely here to head advice and NOT ask questions and continue doing what I want, makes no sense and I need advice.

 

[MS]

Dasani, aside from the already very good advice you've gotten here so far, I think someone needs to address the issue of why you can't compare men's cycles/results to women's cycles/ results. First, the main theory behind keeping cycles short is because males are taking VERY large doses compared to you......10-20 times as much is not uncommon. They also have testicles that produce testosterone and lots of other goodies These testicles can atrophy, sometimes irreversibly, causing them to have testosterone crashes if cycles are too long. None of this applies to women. 12.5mg of winny is not enough to give you the same kind of muscle gains in 6 weeks that a guy can get from taking 600-1000mg or more each week. You also don't have to worry about testiclular atrophy. You will be lucky to gain more than a couple of pounds of muscle in 6 weeks at 12.5mg. And you certainly WON'T keep any of it if you follow it with a round of T3. If you want to use T3, I suggest you keep to the schedule you've outlined, but keep the winny in until the end of the T3 cycle. This will protect your muscle gains somewhat.

And no one here is flaming you. We're giving you advice based on a lot of experiences with WOMEN using AAS. That's why it's called a women's board. Men and women are not the same Viva la difference. Sometimes we get a bit titchy because all too often we see men telling women how to take AAS based on what works for men rather than what is optimal for women. We just want to be certain that you don't go down this path and basically waste a decent cycle of winny (even if it is only IP....which is another matter altogether!)

 

[MS]

Oops, we must have crossed posts. Anavar is prolly no better than winny since finding real Anavar on the black market is even rarer than real winny. I'm sure if you shop around you could find something a little better than IP winny though. But that's up to you.

As far as the winny left in your system at the end of the cycle, your blood levels will drop pretty quickly (almost all gone in 2 days), but the changes it has on your metabolism/gene function lasts longer... 1-2 weeks with gradually reducing effects. However I would still advice that you don't start T3 without being on a full dose of winny right through until the end.

 

[dasani75]

MS thanks alot for the post. I was actually told by a male friend to start with 5mgs and up it to 10mgs if no side. Seeing that I decided to go with 50mg Winny pills, it made it impossible. So ater some research I have seen that 12.5-16mgs is safe.

You are right thogh about my determination for 6 weeks - it was "dosed" by the same male friend. Seeing the dosages are so much lower, I guess you guys are telling me to extend from 6 weeks to atleast 8 and more like 10? Is that right?

And is the T3 really needed in my case? Just cause I have it on the shelf, doesn't mean I need to use it. Also, the Anavar I "theoretically" have access to is 2mg scrip. (if that makes a diff.)

P.s. I edited some of my posts. Thanks again guys.

 

[MS]

"Just cause I have it on the shelf, doesn't mean I need to use it"!!

That is one of the nicest quotes I've seen on this board! You certainly don't NEED it to lose fat, but a lot of women USE it for that purpose. Many other competitive bodybuilders (including myself) have never even used the stuff and are able to get well under 10% bodyfat. So it's another choice you have to make, but I strongly suggest you use the "search" button and hunt for WarLobo (username) and T3 (search criteria). read everything you can on it.


And if you have Anavar from a legit pharmacy, then this is BY FAR a better drug to take than ANY black market drug. Start with 4-6mgs per day and see how that works. Keep us up to date on your results pretty please, since this is one of the ways that we gather info/advice for future visitors to this board.

 

[Temple]

IMO - T3 is good for something like a comp or if you need to get down in a hurry for a special event. Once you stop it your metabolism is going to go right back to where it was before you did the T3 and there will be a time when your metabolism will be much slower until your thyroid returns to normal. If it were me I would focus on a good clean diet, plenty of protein maybe rotate the carbs. Do a search of the women's board for Spatt's Cutting Diet. Run the winny for 10 weeks, watch for sides. Everyone is different but I strongly suspect that a large part of my nasty cholesteral profile was from 7.5mg winny/d, my voice is lower although not overly much, I have some serious facial hair issues and my joints gave me hell. Don't get me wrong - I loved the stuff in spite of all of that. If you have access to an oxandrolone script that can be filled at a US pharmacy and can afford it or have insurance that will pay for it, I would stop the winny and go for the script Ox, second choice would be a reputable winsterol either tabs or an injectable taken orally, and my last choice would be to continue the IP. I don't think you will be hurt overly much by stopping the cycle now considering that you are not that far into it and waiting unitl you have a better product that you can dose more accurately.