CARDIO is a WASTE of TIME and ENERGY!!!

[juice4me]

i feel cardio is crucial. It helps me on my bf alot. I know diet is key to but cardio just makes me feel good for some reason. I guess im biased sinced im forced to do it 5 days a week.

 

[BrickGirl]

I will bet you $1000 right now that if you take two people of comparable genetics, one reduce calorie intake by 25% and adds 20 mins of cardio 4 times per week, and the other just reduces his calorie intake by 25%. The one doing both cardio and dropping cals will loose bf at a faster rate.

I agree with that, what I am trying to get across is that after that month is over and the individual wants to get lower, then not doing cardio and using your diet to manipulate your bodyfat is much more productive, since you can add the cardio in at a later date to help you get lower. Once you have used cardio to get low, then when you need to get lower, the cardio will have to be increased and may not even be enough to drop you down further, so you will have to add in clen or T3 or whatever else. It's just that when you get real low, it is extremely hard to take off a little here and a little there, that is why it is best to WAIT on the cardio until you have hit a major sticking point, then you can incorporate it. Sure, in your situtation, I agree, the person would lose body fat faster, THE FIRST MONTH, but after that, the individual that just used the diet will quickly catch up if he knows how to manipulate his diet properly. Then when the other individual is having to start clen to get lower, the other person can THEN add in cardio to get lower. That individual still had clen or whatever else to get even lower after the cardio platue. A lot of people i think don't understand what it is like to get real low, if you want to just get to 10% and don't have other ambitions, then add in the cardio earlier to get you there faster BUT you will have to maintain the cardio to keep you there, where as with diet manipulation, you can just play with you diet to stay there, instead of having to hop on cardio everyday to just maintain what you have got. Again, that is just what works for me and everyone I have been around. I hope that made sense The individual that starts off with cardio, will have a much harder time getting extremly lean, than the individual that waits on cardio. IMO, but I have yet to see it any other way. The ones that I see that start off cardio with there cutting diet just don't make it to extremly low, unless they have to go to really hardcore drugs like DNP or something, and then they use the excuse that they have bad genetics. Just My Opionion.

 

[Themachine01]

Brickgirl, now there I totally agree with every word you just stated.

 

[BrickGirl]

That is what I have been trying to say the whole time

 

[Themachine01]

That is what I have been trying to say the whole time

Sometimes you need to beat it into me.

 

[Themachine01]

Nelson and Brick Girl, oxidising fat requires oxygen, because of a larger oxygen intake required, cardiovascular training will assist in burning fat.

As you become fitter, your resting pulse will decrease. This reflects a greater stroke volume of the heart, and means that your heart is pumping more blood with each beat. ie, it becomes more efficient.

The fact this thread has gone to five pages indicates the level of stupidity present on these boards.

I don't know if the two of you are trying to impress the rest of us or not with your cavalier approach, but you're both being pretty fucking irresponsible, particularly you Nelson.

Cardiovascular work is beneficial for both fat loss and overall heath and wellbeing. End of story.

very good post

 

[Nelson Montana]

First of all, machine: Your comparison is pretty ridiculous. My example was to show that diet is more effective than cardio in a flat out comparison.

Yes, cardio is more effective for people who are very overweight, because ANYTHING will work. But I can show you hw to lose as much weight without it. And be more muscular.


You know, I first made the statements about cardio in 1998 and a lot of people thought I was out of my mind. Meanwhile EVERYONE who took my advice admitted it was the way to go. Today, the weight traning approach to cardiovascular health has become more accepted.

Today there are more and more studies confirming that my theories were correct. And still, people get downright PISSED at what I say. They call me irresponsible. They call me names -- all because they don't want to open their minds and accept something that goes against their current misconceptions.

 

[Themachine01]

you say you can show me. thats great. If you could show me for free than I would be more than happy to let you teach me a knew approach because I am open to knew things. I have bought many books before that turned out to be nothing but bullshit, everyone tries to sell there story, yet because you have a few pictures on your website and some posts on a message board, that make it look like you know your shit, you expect me to spend my hard earned money on your book. I have fell for this trick before, maybe you do know your shit and you really do have a great approach to losing fat, but I would be a complete idiot to spend my money on your book. I have a shit load of books at home that all say completely different things, now you want to sell me another one. If you wanted to try and explain your points in detail via email, I would be more than happy to listen. But, since I noticed you wont even answer my specific questions via PMs, Im guessing your taking the business approach to this, and you would rather make money.

 

[Nelson Montana]

mechanic; you are typical of the bullshit I must endure on a constant basis.

You've written to me with questions, as have many others, and I've tried to answer them. What I find amazing is that I can answer and explain and recommend and still get the same response form some people.

The progression is something like this...


Help me

Gimme

Gimme

Gimme

Gimme more for free

No more? Fuck you!


Geezusfuckingcriss people. Learn some friggin manners, will you?

 

[Themachine01]

First of all, im not the Mechanic. Second of all, think about what your screaming. I never asked for your help, I asked for your opinion on something, one time, you act like Ive been bugging the shit out of you for months and months.

Your telling me to learn some manners and making me out to be a piece of shit. You sit here and start debates and give a little info here and there making people think you know your shit, which you might. You are here at this board 100% for business purposes only, nothing else. You want people to think you can help them, they send you PMs asking for your opinion on something, then you say, "well, if you want me to help you GIVE ME MONEY!!!!. Talk about give me, give me, give me.

Sorry bud, Ive been studying this sport myself for quite sometime, and because you have some different views than me, which have me a little interested, Im gonna give you my fucking money. For all I know you might not know dick, I buy your book and its a fucking book on dinosaurs. Plus im not gonna spend the money on your book because Im interested in something, as you stated, is covered in the 1st 5 pages.

keep starting debates and not backing them up with facts. Keep starting debates and when it gets heated stop offering your opinion because its covered in your book. I hope this site helps your business out, really. Good luck with all that. peace.

And for the last time, Im not the fucking machanic.