CARDIO is a WASTE of TIME and ENERGY!!!

[sk*]

The average weight lost in a marathon is 4 pounds -- of which 3 pounds is water and about 10 ounces is muscle. That means you have to run 24 miles to lose a couple of ounces of fat.

I'd love to know where you got these facts. Also a scrawny goat running a marathon will burn much less fat than a fatass or a mascular guy. More you weigh, the more you burn ...
So I don't even know what this has to do with averages.

-sk

 

[jboldman]

SIGH! Some things never change! GRIN

Guess all these folks who are testifying to their weight loss with cardio are stupid, dumb, and can not read the scale.

And let's see, the logical statement to support this is, "Ive seen lots of people crossing the finish line at Marathons with pot bellies."

This has been argued ad infinitum, my advice is: if you want to do the cardio, do it! If you are afraid to do cardio because it will cause muscle loss than don't(like dieting does not cause muscle loss, right!)! You can lose weight dieting. We all work out so that is a given so I really do not want to hear anything about that.

It really is a matter of preference no matter what Nelson says, I can quote three studies to every one he quotes(oops, forgot that Nelson does not believe in studies). cardio/no cardio,,,, no big deal, no one is ging to lose sleep over it. Putting all the other arguments aside, I DO CARDIO SO THAT I WILL IMPROVE THE QUALITY OF MY LIFE AND HOPEFULLY LIVE LONGER AND BE FITTER. I really like to climb mountains and backpack as well as walk upstairs.

jb

WantobeDeisal: Thanks bro. You saved me a lot of time.

The truth is, you can't possibly run enough to make a difference in calorie expenditure to induce a significant loss of fat.

Defend aerobics all you want. You still will not burn fat from doing them. Ive seen lots of people crossing the finish line at Marathons with pot bellies.

Brick Girl is correct. There are lots of reasons why aerobics will make you hoarde fat. But I'm going out now.

 

[chronic2371]

The average weight lost in a marathon is 4 pounds -- of which 3 pounds is water and about 10 ounces is muscle. That means you have to run 24 miles to lose a couple of ounces of fat. Now tell me how much fat you burn with 40 minutes on the treadmill!

That is just plain silly.

The act of cardio alone will not magically tap into your fat stores. It is the caloric deficit that it can create that will acheive the desired fat loss. This deficit can be created by diet, weight training, or cardio (aerobics). You just need to decide what works best for you.

For me a clean diet in combination with cardio and weights is what works best. So I will stick to that.

 

[jboldman]

Some quick points.

Aerobics burn carbs. Not fat. The "targeted heart rate" theory has been proven wrong. When subjected to long duration stress your body is more likely to burn protein before it burns fat

>Geez Nelson, this is a classic case of mixing your metaphors, low intensity exercise(cardio) DOES preferentially burn fat! If you increase the intensity or perhaps do it for two hours than you might have a point!

Having more muscle burns more fat. Aerobics break down muscle.

>No kidding! Aerobics does not break down muscle, where's the beef? show me?

The amount of calories used is dependant on your condition. If you can easily run a mile, you aren't burning as many calories as the person who struggles to run a mile. So using "distance" as a gauge is ridiculous.

>Actually it is not so far fetched, yes there are a lot of variables in the calories/mile equation but generally if you struggle to runthat mile it will take you 15minutes to do, if you are in good shape it will take you 8minutes, calories burned-100. I suppose you could make your point if the in shape guy/gal could be convinced to run that slowly.

Sprinting is not aerobic. It's "anrobic."

> OK........

Aerobics stop burning calories once you stop doing them. As soon as you eat, you just replaced the calories you burned. More muscle allows for calorie burning all day long.

>We already covered this but.... sure more muscle=more calories burned,so what, we all work out,we all have muscle. If you did not do the cardio than the food you just ate would be excess to your needs instead of "just replacing the calories you burned"

Yes, adding 20 minutes of cardio will burn more calories. So will adding 20 minutes of weight training -- except that weight training will grow muscle, raise GH, improve glucose disposal, and increase strength. Aeorbics will do none of these things.
They are, however, great at wearing out cartlidge in the kness, ankles and lower back

>If you are already training at peak intensity and duration than adding more weight training is going to be counterproductive. Point well taken on the stress on cartiledge etc, fast walking or a variety of other cardio is available for those with compromised joints, cycling comes to mind. No one here is trying to say "stop working out and do cardio, WE ALL WORK OUT!"

There isn't a single shread of proof that aerobics will lengthen life span. The only known fact is that EXERCISE will improve cardiac health. In case you haven't heard, weight training is exercise.

>Remember, we ALL weight train! Aerobics is exercise the last i checked and if you like I will post the studies on cardiovascular health and life expentancy risk. Wonder why all those savy money grubbing hmo's gladly pay for cardiac rehab including aerobic training albeit low intensity. BTW, WE ALL WEIGHT LIFT.

The average weight lost in a marathon is 4 pounds -- of which 3 pounds is water and about 10 ounces is muscle. That means you have to run 24 miles to lose a couple of ounces of fat. Now tell me how much fat you burn with 40 minutes on the treadmill!

>more than if you did not walk for forty minutes on a treadmill, I can personally attest to that in the winter time when the weather sucks to badly for me to get outside. Why do you keep bringing up marathons?

Wake up folks. The body doesn't know if you're doing squats or jumping up and down on a box. It only knows survival. It isn't going to burn fat just because you want it to or just because SHAPE magazine says so.

> yes, so......?

Aerobics suck. Just say no.

>I believe that a well thought out program of resistance exercise, low-intensity exercise(cardio if you will) and diet will lead to a maximum of good health and muscular developement. It is the complete package.

This is really deja Vu, we really should just agree not to discuss this anymore since we never get anywhere with it and i do agree with you on most things!

jb

 

[Quadsweep]

I'd rather drop my calories by another 400 or so then spend and hour on the treadmill first thing in the morning.

AMEN! I hate cardio so much I believe if I died and went to hell I would spend eternity running on a tredmill listening to country music! I live at 6% with no cardio......its all in the diet!

Quad

 

[40butpumpin]

...I believe if I died and went to hell I would spend eternity...listening to country music! ...

Quad we share a common concept of hell! hehe

 

[Spectre]

Does AM cardio (no food) burn more fat because of the mode your body is in?

 

[Nelson Montana]

I've worked with dozens, maybe hundreds of clients who all lowered their fat % by following my methods which included NO CARDIO. That doesn't mean I'm against sports, or walking or dancing or riding a bike or whatever you want to do. But fat loss comes from being in a calorie deficit.

I will bet anyone $1000 right now that if I took two people of comparable genetics and made no changes other than one reduced his calorie intake by 25% and the other did 20 minutes of cardio 4 times a week, that the first guy will have less fat at the end of month. Guarenteed.

It's diet. It's diet. It's diet. Oh, wait a minute; Quad already said that. Is he not big enough to give an opinion too?

The claim that aerobics will lengthen your life is hilareously misguided. Ask Jim Fixx how that's working out for him.

 

[Animal]

I bet not!

And I'd bet that my legs would kick the shit out of 99% of all elite gufus and wannabees. And that's from a woman who has never done a cycle! Put a bitch on a bike for a month and your little plan of a bitch not eating will definitely get the latter embarrassed with her cellulite riddled wt loss method!

There's a reason that chicks who don't eat look like shit and have bad skin and cellulite even though they are a size 1!

 

[jubei]

Hmm, cardio a waste of time?? Well, personally unless I wanted to get down to say 2-3 percent body fat cardio is a waste of my time and energy (for cosmetic purposes). I can sustain between 5-10 percent body fat easily, even when bulking. Cardio is good for your heart and will add tone to muscles, and make them harder. So you tell me, is that a waste of time?? Depends on your priorities I guess.