Anyone up for a challenge???

[que_66]

Not really.

The metabolically active angle only applies at rest.....while fat isnt "active" - it is active resistance when the body is carrying it around all day.

Think of it like this:

Two people can have the same LBM..lets say lbm = 150 pounds.


One weighs 175

One weighs 200



the lbm is the same - but the active weight being hauled around during the cardio is 175 and 200 pounds.


They will actively burn different cals/minute when active.


It's also why all listing for # of cals burned are usually based on a WEIGHT of 150 pounds and one is to adjust accrdingly to bodyWEIGHT not LBM.

Once again the light bulb went off, clouds parted, angels sang and all the world was happy. Thank you for the explanation Shadow.

 

[Daisy_Girl]

why isnt it??

It uses the bodyweight as the main variable.....everything is calculated from that.......it uses the weight and THEN factors in speed and incline.

Because it does not factor in a person's muscle, age, fitness level, medical issues, genetics, etc.



I could very well be wrong in assuming this all matters .... but I STILL think it makes an impact. *shrug*

 

[Sassy69]

SIZE MATTERS!





(lol)

 

[florencia]

Beuller??


No one??


Damn....I thought someone would want to prove me wrong on this one

Now WHY on earth would anyone want to prove you wrong???
Master?
LOL

 

[The Shadow]

Because it does not factor in a person's muscle, age, fitness level, medical issues, genetics, etc.



I could very well be wrong in assuming this all matters .... but I STILL think it makes an impact. *shrug*

Like Sassy says size matters.


Nothine else but the gravitational pull on the body matters when it comes to moving through space.

Do we agree that identical twins with the same *everything*, height, weight, bodyfat will NOT burn the same number of calories if one has a 20 pound backpack of rocks on his back??

^^That would satisify all your concerns above - the only difference between the two folks is the backpack.

The ONLY think that would make a non-significant difference would be the minute difference in VO2 uptake......and even that would be a non issue at certain intensity levels.

There is a process called excess post-exercise consumption(EPOC)....its when you continue to burn calories AFTER the fact(why I recommend a period after HIIT cardio before food) - imo - THIS WILL BE AFFECTED by several things.,.....namely bodyfat.....so in a way the LBM would be a factor in the post cardio burn...after all - the body is a radiator - and we know that an insulated radiator gives off less heat


You ARE right, in that all the things you mentioned GREATLY impact how much fat you burn during the day, while you sleep, when you are teaching etc.

Calories burned during exercise are a function of bodyweight(not lbm), because the fat, (while not METABOLICALLY ACTIVE) acts as RESISTANCE to the exercise.

Think of it in terms of weights.

You lift a weight, say 150 pounds for 8 reps.

You lift a weight, 200 pounds for the 8 reps.

Who accomplished more work??

Who lifted more resistance?

Who burned more calories?


......the same person is doing the exercise, so that negates all other factors.


Cardio can be looked upon as an analgous situation......with the extra 50 pounds coming from fat.


Gender, age etc - for 99.9% of us - will not impact calories burned imo.

 

[Daisy_Girl]

Cardio can be looked upon as an analgous situation......with the extra 50 pounds coming from fat.


Gender, age etc - for 99.9% of us - will not impact calories burned imo.

That is your word of the day.

Makes sense to me - I do see both sides, but they both also make total sense to me. Interesting discussion and interesting to think about it.

 

[The Shadow]

That is your word of the day.

Makes sense to me - I do see both sides, but they both also make total sense to me. Interesting discussion and interesting to think about it.

I know


it was on my "word of the day" thing on my desk


LOL

 

[Daisy_Girl]

OOOOOHHHH, smart guy huh? Making me all hot

 

[the-short-one]

Like Sassy says size matters.


Nothine else but the gravitational pull on the body matters when it comes to moving through space.

Do we agree that identical twins with the same *everything*, height, weight, bodyfat will NOT burn the same number of calories if one has a 20 pound backpack of rocks on his back??

^^That would satisify all your concerns above - the only difference between the two folks is the backpack.

The ONLY think that would make a non-significant difference would be the minute difference in VO2 uptake......and even that would be a non issue at certain intensity levels.

There is a process called excess post-exercise consumption(EPOC)....its when you continue to burn calories AFTER the fact(why I recommend a period after HIIT cardio before food) - imo - THIS WILL BE AFFECTED by several things.,.....namely bodyfat.....so in a way the LBM would be a factor in the post cardio burn...after all - the body is a radiator - and we know that an insulated radiator gives off less heat


You ARE right, in that all the things you mentioned GREATLY impact how much fat you burn during the day, while you sleep, when you are teaching etc.

Calories burned during exercise are a function of bodyweight(not lbm), because the fat, (while not METABOLICALLY ACTIVE) acts as RESISTANCE to the exercise.

Think of it in terms of weights.

You lift a weight, say 150 pounds for 8 reps.

You lift a weight, 200 pounds for the 8 reps.

Who accomplished more work??

Who lifted more resistance?

Who burned more calories?


......the same person is doing the exercise, so that negates all other factors.


Cardio can be looked upon as an analgous situation......with the extra 50 pounds coming from fat.


Gender, age etc - for 99.9% of us - will not impact calories burned imo.

where tf do you learn all this shit from?? lolol

sometimes, you make my head hurt. (I mean that in a good way, btw. ) you challenge my brain.

 

[Sassy69]

I know


it was on my "word of the day" thing on my desk


LOL

Did you mean "analogous"?