a thought about suicide

[MissJanet79]

But that is the interesting dichotomy.

On one hand you have hope that your belief that we have a purpose and that God cares about us is true.

Then you go and state things like "Jesus died for us" as a fact.

I believe that there is a big difference in what one hopes to be true and what is certainly a fact.

Faith is to have hope....
2 a (1) : belief and trust in and loyalty to God (2) : belief in the traditional doctrines of a religion b (1) : firm belief in something for which there is no proof (2) : complete trust
3 : something that is believed especially with strong conviction; especially : a system of religious beliefs

Doesn't matter if you don't...as long as I am firm in what I believe in. And it's perfectly okay...I love ya anyway!

 

[c-sharp minor]

Isn't it interesting that those blindly following religion are the first to chastise others who don't conform to their ideologies/ethics/morals. Yet, most often, their statements come based on a lack of understanding of the subject at hand.

Close-mindedness at it's best.

 

[BO-DEN]

the longer i live, and burn my way through time, the more i think that people who commit suicide sometimes do the right thing

im starting to have a lot of respect for, and empathise with, people who end their lives to preserve their dignity, and live life, and death, according to their own terms

i know that a lot of people are going to say 'what about the family' but you know what, a mans life is his own, and he should live it the way he wants it, or not at all. this applies to young people as well, not just the old and infirm.

being a slave to your own inadequacies and living life on your knees is far worse than a young death, in my opinion

just a thought

i agree with your logic... but my life is far too important to waste on trivial ideas (like money, or women)

ill die for my cause .... but no one eleses

BO-DEN

 

[napolean22]

The only way I would commit suicide was if I was going to prison for anything more than 3yrs. I really don't think I could handle it.

 

[Rex]

You know it's going to take more than praying to get what you need.

Like medicine.

Never been a big fan of prescription medication and I refuse to take a drug to make think the world is warm and fuzzy.

I accepted the fact that I will die, and made my peace with it. I don't intentionally go looking for ways to get myself killed. I just don't care if I do b/c I'll go when I'll go. The world will go on. The sun will rise, and set. Every morning I get up wondering which it'll be.

 

[plornive]

First of all, I did not refer to living with pain...that is really up to the person. I too have seen my grandfather die of cancer & it was something horrible. I was simply referring to people who have problems (debt, failure in relationships etc.) who choose to kill themselves 'cause they "don't see a way out"...that's a cop out!

Really? It didn't seem like that to me. Do you even know what you are arguing? Perhaps you are copping out.

Regardless of the external cause, suicide could be an internal decision effectively superceding the principles of weak/strong or right/wrong. It is a normal idea that one's external actions are correlated with the internal. I want to live my life and I feel that I am progressing. I guess that if I was not progressing, I would either want an escape or a solution. An escape would be drugs and other diversions. A solution might be suicide.

Therefore, it is not always correct to say that suicide is a "cop out" or weak. While it is true that suicide is effectively avoidance, the ultimate purpose of suicide may not always be such avoidance.

If I killed myself, it might be a cop out. But I am not going to kill myself. When I hear of someone committing suicide, I reallize that it probably took quite a bit of relative courage to take such an action. This is independent of my ultimate judgement. People don't generally just willy-nilly kill themselves. It takes something fierce to get past the instinctive desire to survive and the fear of death.

Making judgements is something we almost all do, but perhaps you should not make blanket statements without understanding that which lies below the external surface.

 

[plornive]

I don't think I would commit suicide.

The reason is that I see drugs and other venues of escape as just as much of a solution to life as is suicide. I don't know what lies beyond death, and I also don't know what lies beyond my perceived limits of perception and feeling. Perhaps drugs would be my first choice of escape, if I chose such a path.

 

[Lumberg]

Never been a big fan of prescription medication and I refuse to take a drug to make think the world is warm and fuzzy.

I accepted the fact that I will die, and made my peace with it. I don't intentionally go looking for ways to get myself killed. I just don't care if I do b/c I'll go when I'll go. The world will go on. The sun will rise, and set. Every morning I get up wondering which it'll be.

Well I guess that just means less competition for me.

 

[c-sharp minor]

I don't think I would commit suicide.

The reason is that I see drugs and other venues of escape as just as much of a solution to life as is suicide. I don't know what lies beyond death, and I also don't know what lies beyond my perceived limits of perception and feeling. Perhaps drugs would be my first choice of escape, if I chose such a path.

If you were diabetic would you take insulin?

How about chemotherapy for cancer?

How about anti-biotics for pneumonia?


It is not about escaping at all.

Scientists used to believe that low levels of serotonin were responsible for depression/suicidal tendencies, but research has now shown that this is not exactly true.

Studies on the cadavers of people who have committed suicide show they have many more serotonin receptors than a 'normal' person. Their bodies can't produce enough serotonin to fill the extra receptors. This, in turn, leads to depression. In some cases, it leads to severe depression, which, in most cases, leads to thoughts of suicide.

By taking SSRI drugs, all you are doing is medicating an illness. Nothing more, nothing less.

All this talk of CHOICE is ridiculous. Reality is distorted by the lack of serotonin in the brain, making rational decision making, difficult, if not, impossible. Choice is, in effect, taken away.

I find it interesting that noone blames an alzheimer's (which is a brain disorder) victim for losing their memories, eventually leading to death. Yet, when a severely depressed person commits suicide (due to a brain disorder), they (and their families) are stigmatized by society as being weak, cowardly, etc.

There is a severe lack of understanding of depression/suicide in the the general public, as well as in the medical community which leads to many people suffering needlessly. In some cases, (too many, in fact), leading to death.

The reason I mention depression and suicide together, is that the majority of suicides are committed by severely depressed individuals. Very few 'normal' people commit suicide, except in extreme situations.

Another point to consider is this. Depression is genetic. It is, generally, inherited from one's parents. The same way any gentetic disorder is inherited. Noone chooses to be depressed. The same way noone chooses to have cancer.

*A depressed person CANNOT think their way out of being depressed. It doesn't work like that, anymore than someone with cancer can think themselves out of having cancer. Depression is a PHYSICAL (and, in turn, mental) illness. Treatment is needed in almost 100% of cases*

 

[crimecleaner]

Well this is something I deal with at least 3 times a week. My company cleans up after suicides, homicides and decompositions. Some of the suicides we clean are terminal people who are really tired of the constant suffering and just want to end there life, which I can certainly understand. I'm all for assisted suicide in those situations. It would be a good way for the family to say goodbye without being traumatized by finding a loved one dead in the bathroom with half their head missing. On the other hand we do alot of suicides of middle age fathers and kids. And I can tell you that the family I have to deal with usually 3 hours after the act is totally destroyed. These people do not realize what their families are going to have to deal with forever. So all I have to say is before you do it think about your family.