a thought about suicide

[Lumberg]

c-sharp minor, right on my brother. right on.

 

[Mr. dB]

And I can tell you that the family I have to deal with usually 3 hours after the act is totally destroyed. These people do not realize what their families are going to have to deal with forever. So all I have to say is before you do it think about your family.

I would only kill myself if I had nothing left to live for. Family is something to live for...

 

[c-sharp minor]

Well this is something I deal with at least 3 times a week. My company cleans up after suicides, homicides and decompositions. Some of the suicides we clean are terminal people who are really tired of the constant suffering and just want to end there life, which I can certainly understand. I'm all for assisted suicide in those situations. It would be a good way for the family to say goodbye without being traumatized by finding a loved one dead in the bathroom with half their head missing. On the other hand we do alot of suicides of middle age fathers and kids. And I can tell you that the family I have to deal with usually 3 hours after the act is totally destroyed. These people do not realize what their families are going to have to deal with forever. So all I have to say is before you do it think about your family.

Children, whose parents killed themselves are up to 6 times more likely to complete the act themselves. In my case, I am, supposedly, 5 times more likely to 'off' myself now, than before my g/f killed herself.

Multiple (not simultaneous) suicides happen fairly often in families.

I personally know of several thanks to the newfound community of which I am a part.

Committing suicide only transfers the pain of the suicidal individual to that of the familiy members, who never recover from the loss. The guilt, anger, frustration, despair, sadness is overwhelming.

I, personally, am dealing with this much better than most. I have seen a few people die themselves as a result of mental trauma due to the suicide of a loved one.

Another good friend, a counsellor himself, is under 24 hour surveillance at a mental health facility due to said trauma. His breakdown was so severe he cannot eat or sleep and his short term memory has become greatly impaired.

I have heard some incredibly horrible stories over the last few months from other SOS (survivors of suicide). It's sickening.

 

[c-sharp minor]

c-sharp minor, right on my brother. right on.

Thanks bro.

 

[Lao Tzu]

If you were diabetic would you take insulin?

How about chemotherapy for cancer?

How about anti-biotics for pneumonia?


It is not about escaping at all.

Scientists used to believe that low levels of serotonin were responsible for depression/suicidal tendencies, but research has now shown that this is not exactly true.

Studies on the cadavers of people who have committed suicide show they have many more serotonin receptors than a 'normal' person. Their bodies can't produce enough serotonin to fill the extra receptors. This, in turn, leads to depression. In some cases, it leads to severe depression, which, in most cases, leads to thoughts of suicide.

By taking SSRI drugs, all you are doing is medicating an illness. Nothing more, nothing less.

All this talk of CHOICE is ridiculous. Reality is distorted by the lack of serotonin in the brain, making rational decision making, difficult, if not, impossible. Choice is, in effect, taken away.

I find it interesting that noone blames an alzheimer's (which is a brain disorder) victim for losing their memories, eventually leading to death. Yet, when a severely depressed person commits suicide (due to a brain disorder), they (and their families) are stigmatized by society as being weak, cowardly, etc.

There is a severe lack of understanding of depression/suicide in the the general public, as well as in the medical community which leads to many people suffering needlessly. In some cases, (too many, in fact), leading to death.

The reason I mention depression and suicide together, is that the majority of suicides are committed by severely depressed individuals. Very few 'normal' people commit suicide, except in extreme situations.

Another point to consider is this. Depression is genetic. It is, generally, inherited from one's parents. The same way any gentetic disorder is inherited. Noone chooses to be depressed. The same way noone chooses to have cancer.

*A depressed person CANNOT think their way out of being depressed. It doesn't work like that, anymore than someone with cancer can think themselves out of having cancer. Depression is a PHYSICAL (and, in turn, mental) illness. Treatment is needed in almost 100% of cases*

Not too many people have accepted this idea yet but when they do i think mental illness will be much less of a problem than it is now because people will seek valid treatments and not be stigmitized. But i dont think its just limited to serotonin, serotonin is just a factor in depression. Other neurochemicals play a role like dopamine.

I had severe, suicidal depression in dec/jan due to stress and lack of options, but some research on depression and a few OTC drugs brought me out of it within a month. had i tried to 'think positive until i felt better' route i'm sure i wouldn't be dead but id be in a much worse place mentally than i am now.

I also agree that suicidal people dont want to die, they just want to stop suffering and have no other route.

 

[c-sharp minor]

Not too many people have accepted this idea yet but when they do i think mental illness will be much less of a problem than it is now because people will seek valid treatments and not be stigmitized. But i dont think its just limited to serotonin, serotonin is just a factor in depression. Other neurochemicals play a role like dopamine.

I had severe, suicidal depression in dec/jan due to stress and lack of options, but some research on depression and a few OTC drugs brought me out of it within a month. had i tried to 'think positive until i felt better' route i'm sure i wouldn't be dead but id be in a much worse place mentally than i am now.

I also agree that suicidal people dont want to die, they just want to stop suffering and have no other route.

Actually, you're right Nordstrom. There are other factor's invovled.

Childhood trauma is also greatly suspected of having a large influence on the human psyche, among other things.

BTW. Did you know that some anti-dpressants actually CAUSE suicidal thoughts in depressed individuals? Some people I know are researching this in depth.

Oh well, off to work out I go. I love pain.

 

[Lao Tzu]

BTW. Did you know that some anti-dpressants actually CAUSE suicidal thoughts in depressed individuals? Some people I know are researching this in depth.

Oh well, off to work out I go. I love pain.

Yeah, ive heard about that but im not sure if its the drugs causing it or if the people are just suicidal to begin with. However, when i used to try 5htp for appetite (its also an antidepressant) for the first week i would be seriously, deeply depressed, so i stay away from 5htp.

 

[c-sharp minor]

Yeah, ive heard about that but im not sure if its the drugs causing it or if the people are just suicidal to begin with. However, when i used to try 5htp for appetite (its also an antidepressant) for the first week i would be seriously, deeply depressed, so i stay away from 5htp.

Smart move.

 

[juve]

Childhood trauma and post traumatic syndrom could be a culprit to suicide due to the fact that a body stops (adaptive mechanism) producing adequate amount of glucocorticoids (underproduction), which reduces a person's ability to deal with stress quite drastically.
And yes, some re-uptake inhibitors have been implicated in increase in suicidal 'activity', but not because they aggravated depression - rather the opposite, a relapse into a manic state, characterized by increased aggression, impetuousness (impulsiveness), etc..

 

[OMEGA]

Childhood trauma and post traumatic syndrom could be a culprit to suicide due to the fact that a body stops (adaptive mechanism) producing adequate amount of glucocorticoids (underproduction), which reduces a person's ability to deal with stress quite drastically.
And yes, some re-uptake inhibitors have been implicated in increase in suicidal 'activity', but not because they aggravated depression - rather the opposite, a relapse into a manic state, characterized by increased aggression, impetuousness (impulsiveness), etc..

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