a thought about suicide

[juve]

Depression can be treated - oddly enough many people that suffer from depression don't want their treatment (meds) or choose not to seek it.

That is because the onset of depression might not necessarily be induced by neurotransmitter/hormonal balance per se, but rather a life circumstance. In this case a wiser decision would be to cope with the circumstances rather than 'patching' them with SSRI's, SDRI's, MAO-I's, whatever else.

I think Nietsche once said that alcohol does not mitigate or remove suffering, but rather makes it permissible/plausible to forget about dealing with suffering. Many psych's are much too swift to fill out that prescription, as soon as you're diagnosed with depression.

 

[Lumberg]

Spend the day at the Children's section of the Oncology department.


Look at the little faces that hope for the life that they will not receive while you contemplate walking away from yours.

Posts like this kind of piss me off.

Kind of like when I was having a bad day and posted a bitch thread and someone saud "well I once saw a woman with no arms and no legs that made me feel better cos she has it worse than me."

When you're fucked in the head enough to commit suicide, you will interpret that experience in a totally different way. You might think good, they will never grow up to see how hard it is to be an adult in this cazy world. Or it might make you so sad that it pushes you over the edge to finally take your life.

Going to a chidlren's oncology ward is not going to magically cure someone who is suicidal.

 

[velvett]

Posts like this kind of piss me off.

Kind of like when I was having a bad day and posted a bitch thread and someone saud "well I once saw a woman with no arms and no legs that made me feel better cos she has it worse than me."

When you're fucked in the head enough to commit suicide, you will interpret that experience in a totally different way. You might think good, they will never grow up to see how hard it is to be an adult in this cazy world. Or it might make you so sad that it pushes you over the edge to finally take your life.

Going to a chidlren's oncology ward is not going to magically cure someone who is suicidal.

Ok - please look at the very first post on this thread.

It doesn't speak of someone suffering clinical depression it states the consideration that people that kill themselves are doing the right thing and that "being a slave to your own inadequacies and living life on your knees is far worse than a young death". I don't share the same opinion. No biggie.

None of will find ourselve perfect during the course of our life time. We will all fail many times in our lives and meet these failures with great dissapointment and bouts of hopelessness.

Suffering from depression, clinical, seasonal disorders, mental disorders are all treatable. How many people are suffer from depression or have mates, parents or siblings that suffer from depressoin but do not seek professional help or when they do they willing chose not to follow their program?

I think one would have to spend some time with some dying children to see what I'm saying. Believe me their hope for life, their innoccence withstanding their situation can change you - regardless of your mind set.




To each his own I guess.

 

[c-sharp minor]

Suffering from depression, clinical, seasonal disorders, mental disorders are all treatable. How many people are suffer from depression or have mates, parents or siblings that suffer from depressoin but do not seek professional help or when they do they willing chose not to follow their program?

In many cases depression is not taken seriously, this is what happened in my own situation, neither by myself, nor the medical community. In my case, I truly thought it would never happen. As did many of the other survivors I talk with, even though there were prior histories of depression and/or suicide attempts.

Then, there is the stigma and shame that society puts on people suffering from depression, which prevents already vulnerable people from seeking, or continuing, treatment.

See MsJanet's posts on this thread for an example.

Too many people don't understand mental illness. The fact is, nobody understands it fully. Otherwise depression would be 100% curable. More and more research is being done on a continuous basis, though.

It's just a shame that people are dying who don't have to.

 

[c-sharp minor]

That is because the onset of depression might not necessarily be induced by neurotransmitter/hormonal balance per se, but rather a life circumstance. In this case a wiser decision would be to cope with the circumstances rather than 'patching' them with SSRI's, SDRI's, MAO-I's, whatever else.

I think Nietsche once said that alcohol does not mitigate or remove suffering, but rather makes it permissible/plausible to forget about dealing with suffering. Many psych's are much too swift to fill out that prescription, as soon as you're diagnosed with depression.

As I've said before. Much of the medical community is ill-informed when it comes to dealing with mental illness. Mental illness is not easy to deal with, and I have heard of doctors (psychiatrists as well) who refuse to even deal with mentally ill patients. Many doctors are all to quick to prescribe meds and send patients on their merry way.

Here is another good article:

Studies show that 74 percent of people seeking help for depression go to their primary care physician, and that 50 percent of these cases are misdiagnosed. Of the cases that are correctly diagnosed by a general practitioner, 80 percent are given too little medication for too short a time. Some of this mishandling may occur because the patients are treated for physical symptoms, such as sleep problems, fatigue or weight loss, without considering depression as a possible root cause. When diagnosing for depression, tests should be given to rule out any organic factors - such as nutrient deficiencies, hypothyroidism, reactions to drugs - that can produce similar symptoms. And here are the steps to do a correct diagnosis:

According to DSM-IV, the diagnostic manual from American Psychiatric Association, criteria used by mental health professionals, you have Major Depressive Disorder if:

You have had an episode of depression lasting at least two weeks with at least five of the following symptoms:
(1) You are depressed, sad, blue, tearful.
(2) You have lost interest or pleasure in things you previously liked to do.
(3) Your appetite is much less or much greater than usual and you have lost or gained weight.
(4) You have a lot of trouble sleeping or sleep too much.
(5) You are so agitated, restless, or slowed down that others have begun to notice.
(6) You are tired and have no energy.
(7) You feel worthless or excessively guilty about things you have done or not done.
(8) You have trouble concentrating, thinking clearly, or making decisions.
(9) You feel you would be better off dead or have thoughts about killing yourself.

These symptoms are severe enough to upset your daily routine, or to seriously impair your work, or to interfere with your relationships.

The depression does not have a specific cause like alcohol, drugs, medication side effect, or physical illness.

Your depression is not just a normal reaction to the death of a loved one.


It is important to recognize that most of us go through ups and downs in our life periodically, as a result of events such as death of a loved one, loss of a job, serious illnesses in the family, etc. These are not signs of clinical depression as we get out of them in a short period of time and spring back to our normal activities. The clinical depression is characterized by persistent depression. At least 5 of the above conditions have to be satisfied to be classified as major depression. It is important for you to recognize the signs of the illness that requires treatment as opposed to occasional "blues."


http://www.afsp.org/index-1.htm

 

[velvett]

In many cases depression is not taken seriously, this is what happened in my own situation, neither by myself, nor the medical community. In my case, I truly thought it would never happen. As did many of the other survivors I talk with, even though there were prior histories of depression and/or suicide attempts.

Then, there is the stigma and shame that society puts on people suffering from depression, which prevents already vulnerable people from seeking, or continuing, treatment.

See MsJanet's posts on this thread for an example.

Too many people don't understand mental illness. The fact is, nobody understands it fully. Otherwise depression would be 100% curable. More and more research is being done on a continuous basis, though.

It's just a shame that people are dying who don't have to.

I totally agree.

I remember your situation clear as day - your story is one worth sharing. It won't change the past in events that surrounded you but it may give insight to someone else.

 

[c-sharp minor]

I totally agree.

I remember your situation clear as day - your story is one worth sharing. It won't change the past in events that surrounded you but it may give insight to someone else.

Thanks.

As I stated previously, I will be looking into possibly becoming a suicide prevention counsellor in the future. It's been just over 4 months since Nadia's suicide and my own mental state prevents me from being of much help to others at this time. If not a suicide prevention counsellor, I will look into some other avenue of suicide prevention I can support.

 

[velvett]

Thanks.

As I stated previously, I will be looking into possibly becoming a suicide prevention counsellor in the future. It's been just over 4 months since Nadia's suicide and my own mental state prevents me from being of much help to others at this time. If not a suicide prevention counsellor, I will look into some other avenue of suicide prevention I can support.

Brilliant.

 

[Lumberg]

Ok - please look at the very first post on this thread.

It doesn't speak of someone suffering clinical depression it states the consideration that people that kill themselves are doing the right thing and that "being a slave to your own inadequacies and living life on your knees is far worse than a young death". I don't share the same opinion. No biggie.

None of will find ourselve perfect during the course of our life time. We will all fail many times in our lives and meet these failures with great dissapointment and bouts of hopelessness.

Suffering from depression, clinical, seasonal disorders, mental disorders are all treatable. How many people are suffer from depression or have mates, parents or siblings that suffer from depressoin but do not seek professional help or when they do they willing chose not to follow their program?

I think one would have to spend some time with some dying children to see what I'm saying. Believe me their hope for life, their innoccence withstanding their situation can change you - regardless of your mind set.




To each his own I guess.

Who responds to the vcery first post on the 91st post!?!?



Anyways overall I think suicide is a loser's game. I've been there, and I think pretty much every rational person will make the decision to live. Basically, if you don't carry it out the minute you have the desire, you shouldn't do it.

Second of all, I still don't like it when people use the whole "think of people less fortunate than you" technique when someone is feeling bad. All it does is make me feel guilty. And guilty is not how I want to feel. I want to feel loved and accepted.

Maybe if you're in a stable mindset, seeing dying kids can be enlightening. But I would not recommend it to an already depressed person, whether it is clinical or not.

 

[velvett]

ACK

I lost my whole post.
I hate when that happens