a thought about suicide

[velvett]

Spend the day at the Children's section of the Oncology department.


Look at the little faces that hope for the life that they will not receive while you contemplate walking away from yours.

 

[SoKlueles]

greatest post ever velvett

 

[c-sharp minor]

Spend the day at the Children's section of the Oncology department.


Look at the little faces that hope for the life that they will not receive while you contemplate walking away from yours.

It doesn't exactly work like that.


You CAN'T will yourself well.


No more than you can will yourself well from Alzheimer's, Cancer, AIDS, etc......


If someone feels depressed for long periods of time or has suicidal thoughts, seek treatment from the medical community.

It's likely possible that the sight of sick children would only increase despair and hopelessness.

 

[strongsmartsexy]

It would be interesting to line up the various "sides" on this issue and then align their life experiences to see what correllations exist. I know that my ideas on suicide, the death penalty and abortion changed drastically over time as I encountered different life altering situations that caused me to rethink my positions.

 

[c-sharp minor]

Depression can be devastating to family relationships, friendships, and the ability to work or go to school. Many people still believe that the emotional symptoms caused by depression are "not real," and that a person should be able to shake off the symptoms. Because of these inaccurate beliefs, people with depression either may not recognize that they have a treatable disorder or may be discouraged from seeking or staying on treatment due to feelings of shame and stigma. Too often, untreated or inadequately treated depression is associated with suicide. 5

http://www.nimh.nih.gov/publicat/invisible.cfm

 

[juve]

There are people, who are never happy. They never feel good about the day and their life and themselves. They feel ugly and useless. And well, they usually are.

Yet they just keep on living. they just sit there in their house, hardly come out, and they just keep going. but for who? Not for me. not for themselves....

I think many depressed people, are like a dying horse in the desert, desperately waiting for that strong cowboy, to just aim his pistol and end them.
If nobody else will, I'm willing to be this man.

So do I enjoy that?

Yes.

You must be a tremendous asset to your community, if you weren't such an imbecile

more or less selfish than the people who wish to hold them to a life that they do not want, merely to stave off their own grief?

laconic but precise - great observation/statement!

 

[c-sharp minor]

You must be a tremendous asset to your community, if you weren't such an imbecile

more or less selfish than the people who wish to hold them to a life that they do not want, merely to stave off their own grief?

laconic but precise - great observation/statement!

It's not that they don't want life. They want to end their pain in the only way they can think of, due to their distorted view ofreality. Saying they do not want life is, in general, incorrect.

“Suicide is not chosen; it happens
when pain exceeds
resources for coping with pain.”

When pain exceeds pain-coping resources, suicidal feelings are the result. Suicide is neither wrong nor right; it is not a defect of character; it is morally neutral. It is simply an imbalance of pain versus coping resources

I wonder if someone would call small children selfish for wanting their parent to live? I am sure they have absolutely no concept of what grief even is. Not that most adults do either, to most, it is only a word.

 

[strongsmartsexy]

I wonder if someone would call small children selfish for wanting their parent to live? I am sure they have absolutely no concept of what grief even is. Not that most adults do either, to most, it is only a word.

Not until they've had the life experience that touches them personally.

 

[c-sharp minor]

Not until they've had the life experience that touches them personally.

Yep.

 

[velvett]

It doesn't exactly work like that.


You CAN'T will yourself well.


No more than you can will yourself well from Alzheimer's, Cancer, AIDS, etc......


If someone feels depressed for long periods of time or has suicidal thoughts, seek treatment from the medical community.

It's likely possible that the sight of sick children would only increase despair and hopelessness.

My response was in response to this post:

the longer i live, and burn my way through time, the more i think that people who commit suicide sometimes do the right thing

im starting to have a lot of respect for, and empathise with, people who end their lives to preserve their dignity, and live life, and death, according to their own terms

i know that a lot of people are going to say 'what about the family' but you know what, a mans life is his own, and he should live it the way he wants it, or not at all. this applies to young people as well, not just the old and infirm.

being a slave to your own inadequacies and living life on your knees is far worse than a young death, in my opinion

just a thought

You are talking about someone that suffers from clinical depression not someone obsessed with their shortcomings or someone going through a rough phase of their life.

Depression can be treated - oddly enough many people that suffer from depression don't want their treatment (meds) or choose not to seek it.

You don't just snap out of cancer either.


I'm not disagreeing with you - I just think we both have valid points in different areas.