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Working on my cutting diet - thoughts so far?

thebigoz

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Hey Guys,

About to start my next cycle in a couple of weeks:

Test-E @ 250mg EW
Primo @ 600mg EW
Var @ 60mg ED

I can only run this cycle for 8 weeks. I will be out of the country for an extended period of time after that, otherwise I would run the Test and Primo for 12 weeks.

Cardio consists of about 5miles of actual riding each week day + 4 sessions of 30min on the stationary bike each week.

Either way, I know I can get good gains.

My goals? Drop my body fat % to 8% or lower.


Current stats: 6', 198lbs, approx 12% bf

I bulked up to 210 in my previous cycle. Lost some from water weight after that (Started at around 185) and leaned out a little more.


I have been playing around with some recipes of late - loving my chilli. Here is what I was thinking along the lines of for the first couple of weeks. Please let me know your thoughts. I'm targeting high protein, moderate fat, low carb.


I will be using the following format for macros (Protein / Fat / Carbs)


Approx 8am - after cardio on days when I do morning cardio - 4 times a week, 30min+ on the bike)
Shake (Whey/Casein/Super Plasma combo) - 65 / 1 / 1


9:30am
1oz Almonds - 6 / 14 / 5


11:30am/12pm
Chili (Lean Beef, Onions, Bell Peppers, Garlic, Diced Tomatoes, Tomato sauce, herbs/spices) - 44 / 13 / 37


2:30pm
1oz Almonds - 6 / 14 / 5


5pm
Protein Brownie (Whey + ANPB) - 48 / 16 / 6


7:15pm - PWO
Shake (Whey/Casein/Super Plasma combo) - 65 / 1 / 1


8:30pm
1 Chicken Breast (Approx 6oz) + Veggies - 57 / 7 / 25


Total (Grams) - 291 / 66 / 81 (Protein / Fat / Carbs)
% Breakdown - 66% / 15% / 19% (Protein / Fat / Carbs)

Total Cals - 2088



I am planning on switching up the Lunch/Dinner meals every 2 weeks to something with similar macros.


Thoughts?
 
Come on people! Judge me! Judge meeeeeeeeeeeeeee!

I don't feel loved.

By the way - I actually measured my bf% with calipers. I did it a few times and came out between 10 and 11%. So 6-8% is definitely accomplish-able.
 
where are the carbs? 81 grams of carbs, i barely counted 30 from almonds and anpb. but i dont see any direct sources of starchy carbs so im guessing you want to go keto? 1 oz almonds IS NOT a meal, it is 1 portion of fats.
 
where are the carbs? 81 grams of carbs, i barely counted 30 from almonds and anpb. but i dont see any direct sources of starchy carbs so im guessing you want to go keto? 1 oz almonds IS NOT a meal, it is 1 portion of fats.

Yep, I'm targeting more of a keto diet than anything else. I operate and gain pretty well on low carbs. I'm an easy gainer.

I made sure I didn't write 'meal 1/2/3' also, because I know some of those don't constitute as full meals :artist:

You know what - scratch this.

I am going to go full-blown CKD and try it out. I need to rework my meal plan to get in the required fats.
 
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check out the palumbo diet, its a keto diet, the first one ive tried and im liking the results. carb cravings are less when on keto, imo. heres a copy and paste, i tweaked the diet a bit since im less then 200lbs but if your 210 and 10% bodyfat, you can run this diet the whole time and just add more cardio when fat loss stalls. it lets you have 1 cheat MEAL not a cheat day. that meal can be whatever you want to help your bodys metablosim burning at full speed again. here it is: i dont use the omega 3 eggs, if you look up the nutritional facts, each egg both contains 1.5g of staurated fats so i dont want to waste money on those eggs. its only 3-6 eggs anyways, wont make much of a difference.



The premise of the diet is high protein (about 1- 1 1/2 gram per pound), moderate fat (about 1/2 g per lb) and low low carbs (no direct sources of carbs). During this diet, the brain goes into ketosis (it uses ketone bodies for energy-- fats) and thus the energy requirements by the body can almost all be supplied by fats (which you'll be taking in plenty of). The only activity that uses carbs will be the weight workout which may use 40grams per workout. You will get these 40g indirectly through the foods you'll be eating. As a backup, the cheat meal you'll be having once per week will provide a storehouse of glycogen (glucose) in case of emergency. So, you see, very little gluconeogenesis in the liver will be occurring. If we keep cortisol low (by
restricting STIMULANTS) we'll ensure that muscle is spared!

HAVE YOUR CHEAT MEAL ON THE SAME DAY EVERY WEEK, last meal of the
day so you dont cheat again.

Fiber helps burn fat! Everyone should take fiber 2x per day. Fiber actually helps increase the absorption of calcium.
When following my diet plan (which includes getting your brain into ketosis), there can be NO starchy carbs eaten!



For a 200lb man:

MEAL #1
5 whole eggs (make sure to buy OMEGA-3 EGGS from the supermarket. They contain virtually NO saturated fat and tons of good OMEGA-3 fats); add another 4 egg whites to this (they don?t need to be the Omega-3 ones; you can use liquid egg whites)

MEAL #2
SHAKE: 50g Whey Protein with 1 ? tablespoon of All Natural Peanut butter (no sugar)

MEAL #3
"Lean Protein Meal": 8oz chicken with 1/2-cup cashew nuts (almonds, or walnuts)

MEAL #4
SHAKE: 50g Whey Protein with 1 ? tablespoons of All Natural Peanut butter (no sugar added)

MEAL #5
"Fatty Protein Meal": 8oz Salmon, Swordfish, or RED MEAT with a green salad (no tomatoes, carrots, or red peppers) with 1 tablespoon of Olive Oil or Macadamia nut oil and vinegar

MEAL #6
SHAKE: 50g Whey with 1 ? tablespoon all natural peanut butter or 4 whole (Omega-3) eggs and 4 extra whites

For a 250lb+ man:
Meal 1 6 whole Omega-3 eggs
Meal 2 8oz chicken with 1/2 cup raw almonds
Meal 3 50g whey with 2 tablespoons all natural peanutbutter
Meal 4 8oz salmon with 1 cup asparagus with 1 tablespoon macadamia nut oil
Meal 5 50 g whey with 2 tablespoon PB
Meal 6 6 whole eggs

Remember, it takes 3-4 days to get into a strong ketosis where your brain is using ketone bodies (fats), instead of carbs, for energy. Be patient.

Many times I'll switch to an alternatiing diet where one day it will be protein/fat......then another protein/vegetables (very little fat). The great thing about the body and fat is that ESSENTIAL FATTY ACIDS can be stored in the muscle for several days, up to 2 weeks......therefore, once an adequate storehouse of Essential Fats are built up, the body can be "tortured" a little and it still won't give up muscle (that's assuming you're still taking in adequate protein. Protein can't be stored).

1oz almonds equals 6g carbs (2 of those grams are fiber) and 2oz equals 12g of carbs.

With the beef meal (any fatty protein meal), you should have the green salad with 1 tablespoon of Olive or Mac oil INSTEAD of the nuts. Only eat the nuts with the LEAN PROTEIN MEAL (chicken, turkey, lean fish)

The best fat sources come from the essential fatty acids-- Omega-6 and Omega-3's. Most of us get plenty of Omega-6s from cooking oils, ect..........however the Omega-3's are harder to get. I recommend WHOLE OMEGA-3 EGGS, FaTTY FISHS like SALMON and SWORDFISH and TUNA and MACKEREL, ALMONDS and WALNUTS have some OMEGA-3's (as well as OMEGA-6s). ANother great fat source is MONOUNSATURATES such as EXTRA VIRGIN OLIVE OIL and MACADAMIA NUT OIL.....they aren't essential but they are great for the metabolism (great source of energy) and they are extremely good for your heart.

You're not getting any indirect sources of carbs (just from the 1 spoonful of PB.... you may want to have at least one 1/3cup nuts meal. Remember, Olive or Macadamia nut oil is predominantly a MONOUNSATURATED FAT (good for the heart, but not essential)........ the nuts, and fish oil have the essential fats in them. Also, with regard to FLAX SEED OIL, the OMEGA-3 Fatty Acids found in them (alpha-linolenic acid) has a very poor conversion to DHA and EPA (Essential Omega-3 intermediates) in the HUMAN........therefore, you're much better off taking in FISH OILS (that already contain DHA/EPA) than FLAX SEED OIL.

Once fat loss slows, I always increase cardio first, then I increase the amount of fat burners (clen, cytomel, lipolyze).........After those other methods are exhausted, only then, do I play with the diet.

Always eat BEFORE lifting........never BETWEEN lifting and cardio.
Artificial Sweetners:
The artificial sweetener itself (eg. aspartame, sucralose) wont cause a problem. It's what some companies complex it with. For example, EQUAL and SPLENDA combine their aspartame and sucrolose with 1g of maltodextrin........whereas, in diet drinks, they don't do that. So, diet drinks are okay, SPLENDA and EQUAL must be used in moderation (STEVIA BALANCE is fine though since they use inulin fiber instead of maltodextrin

Forget using:
-MCT's are a waste when you're dieting. If you're gonna use FATS for an energy source, they might as well serve a function in the body. MCTs are useless. They can only serve as a source of energy!
-Arginine is not going to do anything. It will DO something; just not dramatic.

Cardio:
CARDIO should be performed at a low intensity (under 120bpm heartrate). This will ensure that you use FAT as a fuelsource since as your heartrate increase, carbohydrates begin to become the preferred fuel of choice for the body. When on a low carb diet, you're body will break down muscle and turn that into carbs. Remember, Fat CANNOT be changed into carbs. Therefore, for bodybuilding, the rule of cardio should be LONG DURATION, LOW INTENSITY

never do less than 20 min per session

The BOTTOM LINE is that low intensity cardio (while you might need more of it) ensures that fat is utilized and muscle is spared (especially while on my high protein/moderate fat/low carb diety).

Do you feel the treadmill is better for cardio, or is the bike(stationary or recumbent) just as good? As long as the intensity is LOW, it doesn't matter which piece of equipment you use

Q&A:
Q: Is gluconeogenesis inevitable in your diet?
Dave Palumbo: NO

Q: If so do I need to consume more than 1.5 grams of protein per lb of LBM so as not to lose muscle?
Dave Palumbo: The fat spares the protein....when the brain is in ketosis, the carbohydrate requirements are very very low.

Q: How much (percentage) of my protein intake would be turned into glucose (gluconeogenesis)?
Dave Palumbo: Very little (maybe 10%)

Q: What do you think of submersion in cold water as a means of burning bodyfat (thermogenesis)?
Dave Palumbo: HOCUS POKUS!

Q: How about drinking lots of cold water (I think this was even suggested by Elligton Darden) to help lose bodyfat?
Dave Palumbo: RIDICULOUS

Q: Do you think drinking lots of Green Tea is beneficial to fat loss?
Dave Palumbo: Somewhat helpful.

Q: How much is the ideal dosage of Omega 3 for a 220 lb. individual ?
Dave Palumbo: Try to take in about 9g per day

Q: How many Tbs of peanut butter could I have instead of 1/2 cup of cashewnuts?
Dave Palumbo: 2 tablespoons, two tablespoons of Peanut Butter contains 190 calories and 16 grams of fat (so 1.5 tablespoon equals about 12 grams fat) ...whereas......... 2oz (1/3 cup) almonds (about 40 almonds) = 12g fat

Q: I want to add that if I cant find the omega eggs here locally. Can I use international egg whites and just take an omega supplement?
Dave Palumbo: You can get away with 5 whole eggs (regular ones) once a day........not a big deal. You'll be burning up all that fat anyway.

Q: Whats the max cups # of coffee ( no sugar ) can consume on Dave's diet ?
Dave Palumbo: Try to limit to 2 cups per day.......I realize that towards the end of the diet you may need more to help you get through the day.

Q: If you cook tilapia in macadamon nut oil?do you coun't the oil as your fat for that meal! Depends how much you use.
Dave Palumbo: If you just grease the pan with it, no!

Q: what is the protein,carb and fat ratio for offseason
Dave Palumbo: 50% Protein, 25% fat, 25% carbs

Q: and the ratio for contest prep.
Dave Palumbo:60% protein, 30% fat, 10% carbs
 
Hey Guys,

About to start my next cycle in a couple of weeks:

Test-E @ 250mg EW
Primo @ 600mg EW
Var @ 60mg ED

I can only run this cycle for 8 weeks. I will be out of the country for an extended period of time after that, otherwise I would run the Test and Primo for 12 weeks.

Cardio consists of about 5miles of actual riding each week day + 4 sessions of 30min on the stationary bike each week.

Either way, I know I can get good gains.

My goals? Drop my body fat % to 8% or lower.


Current stats: 6', 198lbs, approx 12% bf

I bulked up to 210 in my previous cycle. Lost some from water weight after that (Started at around 185) and leaned out a little more.


I have been playing around with some recipes of late - loving my chilli. Here is what I was thinking along the lines of for the first couple of weeks. Please let me know your thoughts. I'm targeting high protein, moderate fat, low carb.


I will be using the following format for macros (Protein / Fat / Carbs)


Approx 8am - after cardio on days when I do morning cardio - 4 times a week, 30min+ on the bike)
Shake (Whey/Casein/Super Plasma combo) - 65 / 1 / 1


9:30am
1oz Almonds - 6 / 14 / 5


11:30am/12pm
Chili (Lean Beef, Onions, Bell Peppers, Garlic, Diced Tomatoes, Tomato sauce, herbs/spices) - 44 / 13 / 37 tomatoes are no good. watch the beef how about fish, broccoli and nuts instead


2:30pm
1oz Almonds - 6 / 14 / 5


5pm
Protein Brownie (Whey + ANPB) - 48 / 16 / 6 i dont like this either. i would do another fish meal with a little bit of oats


7:15pm - PWO
Shake (Whey/Casein/Super Plasma combo) - 65 / 1 / 1


8:30pm
1 Chicken Breast (Approx 6oz) + Veggies - 57 / 7 / 25 add more nuts here


Total (Grams) - 291 / 66 / 81 (Protein / Fat / Carbs)
% Breakdown - 66% / 15% / 19% (Protein / Fat / Carbs)

Total Cals - 2088



I am planning on switching up the Lunch/Dinner meals every 2 weeks to something with similar macros.


Thoughts?

i think those changes may be a little better.
 
Nomak - I like that.

Do you do your cardio on an empty stomach? I'm a follower of the whole 'cardio on and empty stomach' to make greater use of stored fats instead of carbs. With keto, you're already focusing on fats as the primary fuel source, so I'm thinking that it may not be as important. Obviously you would be burning off the fats you have taken in that day first, so it may be slightly less effective.

I like doing morning cardio (I do it now), but with my schedule it's a lot easier to do it in the afternoon/night.
 
Nomak - I like that.

Do you do your cardio on an empty stomach? I'm a follower of the whole 'cardio on and empty stomach' to make greater use of stored fats instead of carbs. With keto, you're already focusing on fats as the primary fuel source, so I'm thinking that it may not be as important. Obviously you would be burning off the fats you have taken in that day first, so it may be slightly less effective.

I like doing morning cardio (I do it now), but with my schedule it's a lot easier to do it in the afternoon/night.

I think morning cardio burns more fat, and i see better results when i do it in the morning. but according to facts, it doesnt matter, as long as you do it at a low intensity for atleast 45 minutes. i usually do 60 minutes in the morning and another 60 minutes later on in the day at 3.0mph walking. If you cant do it in the morning, do it right after your workout and then another session later on in the day. but u dont need 2 sessions yet until fat loss stalls.
 
I lift at night, so I have been doing my cardio early morning, 4 times a week. I think that aspect of my routine is solid. I will need to see how I respond and start to add more cardio if I do stall early on or don't see enough results.
 
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