Why do people here bag on cutting cycle's and low body fat %??

[Debaser]

And another couple notes I have to address:

Oh, my abs would look better at 6% bf, I better drop weight so I can go to the mall and pick up 16 yr old chicks". They don't give a fuck what they look like.

Come on man that's not true and you know it. Girls love abs over any other muscle group. I know quite a few guys that if they were 6% higher bodyfat it would take away 75% of their action. They aren't even big, but they have abs...this is the average girls opinion on the male body:

In order of priority:

1. Lean (6-pack)
2. Big muscles (but not "overly" big)

For example a 6'1" 220 lb guy at 6-8%.

The average douche bag may train with appearance in mind,

I resent that, simply because the majority of people on this board are bodybuilders. The whole game is to be as aesthetically pleasing as possible (or it least it used to be). 20% bodyfat is not aesthetically pleasing to most.

Lately I've taken a big interest in strength training, but I'll be damned if I let my BF get over 12% again. And even if you're just an average guy training for appearance, is there REALLY anything wrong with that? Let me ask, have you done any of the following?

1. Gotten a tan
2. Bought anything other than 5$ jeans and shirt from goodwill.
3. Styled your hair
4. Shaved
etc.

What the hell is the difference? And what's wrong with wanting to look good?

 

[Exodus]

Spatts - your right I do take pride in the fact that i take this forum too seriously. cause 2 years ago it was a forum. now its a place of friends that i talk too. that help and encourage me, and i want to help and encourage them.

Debaser.......... i have a tan, i wear nice clothes (not tommy but not kmart either)

i have nice hair.

and i try to stay in fashion.

i also have a 43 inch waist and am around 21% bodyfat. its simple. i dont mind that much. if i had the option to keep my strength muscle size and abilty with a 6 pack i would take it. but i cant, no one can. you cant lose weight and drop bodyfat and keep your strength up, at least not if youve been doing this a while, or over 30% bodyfat. the leaner i get, the less calories i take in, so therefore i dont perform as well. its that simple.

and for the chick issue, my wife loves me. and shes one of the hottest girls i have ever seen. she digs me becuase of how i look at her, treat her, and love her. not becuase of any 6 pack i have had. ( and yes, i have had one while we were dating) so anyone that has to get to single digit bodyfat to get some skuzzy bitch aint happy with who he is anyways.

and 10 times out of 10 where someone has a case of losing bdy fat and being stronger (other than newbies, and the obese) involves steriods, and not all of us can afford them!!!!!

X

 

[Thaibox]

Debaser,
When I went from Muay Thai, in the early 90's, into MMA it was just beginning to surface from the underground(we just called it pitfighting, or non-sanctioned bouts). And, like the first UFCs, there were no weight classes.

The introductions of weight classes have been debated for a long time. The whole idea of MMA initially, was to show the dominant art regardless of size or strength. Since MMA has in itself basically become an art(recognizing all dominant aspects of each art and incorporating those, like JKD) this has changed the former idea. Now the UFC recognizes 5 classes and Pride had only 2. Since there are 5 classes in the UFC and 2 in Pride, there are clearly more fighters dropping weight for UFC relative to that in Pride for this reason.

ONLY because of the introduction of weight classes were there the guys bleeding weight to drop classes. I've never dropped weight purposely because of the reasons bfold mentioned. I trained purely for PERFORMANCE, and if that meant I had to fight at the bottom of a higher weight class, bring on the big bastard at the top of that class.


BTW, with regard to the aesthetic concerns.....

I would NEVER, EVER drop weight, therefore performance, just to get laid. My pride in my acheivements is far more important to me than what a bunch of chicks think. Any "athlete" who thinks this way is no threat to me in the ring or in the gym.

I respect a person who trains for these reasons, but don't ask me to take them seriously, because I won't. They are inferior athletes, period. Aesthetics and performance are synonyms in this world.

Anyway, I'm engaged to a hardbody girl that could give a fuck what my abs look like. She gets more turned on watching me fight or lift massive weights.

 

[Debaser]

...hardbody girl that could give a fuck what my abs look like. She gets more turned on watching me fight or lift massive weights.

There needs to be more of those.

 

[Thaibox]

There needs to be more of those.

That would be one solution to this wouldn't it?

 

[Exodus]

Anyway, I'm engaged to a hardbody girl that could give a fuck what my abs look like. She gets more turned on watching me fight or lift massive weights.

mine too, except strongman contest not fighting, and were already married.

X

 

[CobraUTAH]

Debaser is my kind of elite member. Thanks for sharing a similar view man. I'm 6'3" and want to be almost exactly what you posted in your last thread 210-220 at a low single digit bodyfat, and there is nothing wrong with that goal. I consider myself a bodybuilder nothing special but that is my favorite part of lifting trying to improve the shape and size of my body, but I also love the heavy lifting. I'm just glad that I found some support here for bodybuilding and looking lean. Thanks again Debaser.

 

[edgecrusher]

People are flat out stronger at a high bodyfat level...they just are. The BEST athletes at most any sport work to be the best and whever their bodyfat falls...is fine with them. Thdy do NOT try to get lean just to get lean. They get lean because of their training... It drives me nuts to see basketball coaches FORCE their players to have below a certain % of bodyfat...it is crazy. You expect the players to get stronger and better while cutting to a low bodyfat????

In Martial Arts...heavyweight class was 186 and up...no matter what I do I'm not going to see 185 again...lol. Why would I want to spend my time and energy (losing energy to drop bodyfat, poor training, feeling like crap) just to get to 10% bodyfat for a fight???

B True

Well, I can't agree with this tatement in total. How exactly are we measuring strength? Also, many strength coaches are now recomending athletes to get below a certain % of bodyfat, because lower bf, will cause less intramuscular friction, and allow for faster contractions. This will eventually lead to greater gains in both strength and speed.

 

[CobraUTAH]

Thaibox, performance = 1 a : the execution of an action b : something accomplished. Shannon Sharpe all pro tight end looks damn good asthetically speaking and can perform pretty damn well. Jason Seahorn, all pro D-back killer physique and a performer. Arnold holds guiness book world record for most perfectly developed male physique, Mr olympia many times over, I'd say he can perform as well. Yoko Ohola (spell) strongman world champion, quite lean for the sport and a top contender. Barry Bonds does he have any records? Have you seen him in any ESPN specials I have that man can train and he is looking good for a near 40 year old. Micheal Johnson, he's sort of fast and last I looked could compete in and win some bodybuilding contests, if he wanted. Finally most of the boxing and kickboxing I've seen on ESPN has guys that look pretty damn lean and most are sporting kickass abs, but I'm sure they aren't real contenders right. Please don't say that an athlete can't be a top contender or world champion and look amazing at the same time.

 

[sk*]

Few points that I wanna addess ...

B, Do you actually think fat promotes strength? I don't see any logical reason as to why this would be the case. If it was possible to lose all the fat while maintaining the lean body mass, IMO it would be possible to completely retain your strength. Please let me know why you think this isn't the case.

I think CCJ was saying that if you drop fat then you will increase your strength relative to your bodyweight ... MEANING you would be able to do more pull ups, push ups, dips, etc ...

Thaibox, Bodybuilding is a sport too bro. It isn't easy to look like coleman, and so what he does it just to "look good." I know I damn well take him seriously when it comes to bodybuilding.

When it comes to fighting or strength performance than it is a given that what you look like doesn't matter.

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I think what needs to be said here is to each their own. Not everyone wants to be 300lbs of pure strength or 300lbs of pure muscle or anything specific for that matter. BTW, I am not someone that wants to look cut to impress girls, I would much rather be 300lbs and fucking strong ... I am just looking at this more objectively.

-sk