Why do people here bag on cutting cycle's and low body fat %??

[spatts]

Fat does not promote strength. Concrete supports more weight than mud. All the shit is just extra weight to move. I can understand wanting leverage...I can understand wanting to be 300 pounds, but I'm sorry, your fat cells never fired with a neuron to move ANYTHING. It's not the high bodyfat that makes you strong, it's what you eat to fuel yourself...which in turn makes you fatter. Not all weight is equal. The difference is FUEL. The way you have to eat to have a low body fat does not always provide the fuel stores needed to perform maximally. That's it. Simple. Where you get sketchy on this is individual athletic ability...CONDITIONING. I just finished sprint drills and every damn 40 was 4.8 or less. I train like a running back. People have been telling me for over a year that sprinting would hurt my squats, by they never took into consideration the fact that I've been sprinting competitively for 18 years of my life. I'm faster when I'm lighter, and for me, speed is more of an asset to my lifts than an extra 20 pounds of crap leverage.

Do whatever gets you the numbers...gets YOU where YOU are going.

 

[bilat]

Another concept regarding bodyfat and weight is this. Say one guy is 265 pounds and 20% bodyfat, that leaves him with 53 pounds of fat and 212 pounds of lean mass. The second guy weighs only 220 and is 5%, leaving him with 11 pounds of fat and a lean mass of 209. Which guy would you respect more assuming they are roughly the same height and frame size. According to most here the 5% guy is a gay model trying to impress the women all the time while the 20% guy is a serious hard core power lifter, no fag stuff for him. Also these guys both lift similar poundages in the core lifts. Why is there a difference in how you see these two guys, they both have nearly the same lean mass which sort of assumes the fact that they worked equally hard to build the lean useful weight. I didn't come to this site for any other reason than to learn more about lifting and training, to have a place to chat with others that I thought had a similar passion trying to improve upon what they were dealt through genetics.

Probably because a lot of the people who follow the bulk up, eat as much as you can advice end up getting fat without gaining much muscle..... So the bodyfat goes way up. So maybe they feel if they give respect to this guy, they'll get respect for BULKING UP even though it's obvious you could be getting the same results sitting on the couch eating anything you want as long it's a lot of it.

 

[b fold the truth]

Thaibox, performance = 1 a : the execution of an action b : something accomplished. Shannon Sharpe all pro tight end looks damn good asthetically speaking and can perform pretty damn well. Jason Seahorn, all pro D-back killer physique and a performer. Arnold holds guiness book world record for most perfectly developed male physique, Mr olympia many times over, I'd say he can perform as well. Yoko Ohola (spell) strongman world champion, quite lean for the sport and a top contender. Barry Bonds does he have any records? Have you seen him in any ESPN specials I have that man can train and he is looking good for a near 40 year old. Micheal Johnson, he's sort of fast and last I looked could compete in and win some bodybuilding contests, if he wanted. Finally most of the boxing and kickboxing I've seen on ESPN has guys that look pretty damn lean and most are sporting kickass abs, but I'm sure they aren't real contenders right. Please don't say that an athlete can't be a top contender or world champion and look amazing at the same time.

Not going to argue with you anymore...pointless.

Not looking for a pissing contest either...but you are sitting there arguing with two top class athletes. I AM a Pro Athlete and Iron Lion is soon to be one (God willing). What have YOU proved in the world of strength and athletics???

For every 'ripped' athlete you show me who can play some sport at a supreme level...I can show you a guy who is NOT under 8% bodyfat who can do it just the same or better... You also failed to look at a few things in your equation above...DRUGS and SUPREME GENETICS!!!

Either way...I'll get off your back. I'll sit back and watch you get ripped and become a Supreme Athlete...

On a side note...when I competed in Karate...the heavy weight class began at 186 pounds... and VERY few guys could ever beat me. Brian Ruth was about the only person who could beat me on a consistent basis and he was the National Champion 10 years straight (200 pounds and no abs showing). At a bodyweight of 265 I could give him about all that he wanted...I could push him harder than anyone else on the circuit...

B True

 

[louden_swain]

Fat is important. . .acts as a cushion for the joints. I agree, people with a higher bodyfat percentage tend to be stronger.

 

[b fold the truth]

Few points that I wanna addess ...

B, Do you actually think fat promotes strength? I don't see any logical reason as to why this would be the case. If it was possible to lose all the fat while maintaining the lean body mass, IMO it would be possible to completely retain your strength. Please let me know why you think this isn't the case.
-sk

I have never lost weigth and been stronger. I am not saying that if I gained to 20% bodyfat that I would be even stronger...but at 12-14% now I am stronger than I would be if I fought to be under 10%.

Like it has been said above...train and be the best athlete that you can be and let your bf% fall where it may.

B True

 

[spatts]

You don't need a tire to help your joints. You don't man-boobs to help your joints. A little water and fat will pad things nicely, and isnt' even visible on the surface. I know a lot of powerlifters have convinced themselves otherwise.

Bigger sometimes = stronger because of more muscle and better/more fuel.

Sometimes.

 

[IronLion]

Thaibox, performance = 1 a : the execution of an action b : something accomplished. Shannon Sharpe all pro tight end looks damn good asthetically speaking and can perform pretty damn well. Jason Seahorn, all pro D-back killer physique and a performer. Arnold holds guiness book world record for most perfectly developed male physique, Mr olympia many times over, I'd say he can perform as well. Yoko Ohola (spell) strongman world champion, quite lean for the sport and a top contender. Barry Bonds does he have any records? Have you seen him in any ESPN specials I have that man can train and he is looking good for a near 40 year old. Micheal Johnson, he's sort of fast and last I looked could compete in and win some bodybuilding contests, if he wanted. Finally most of the boxing and kickboxing I've seen on ESPN has guys that look pretty damn lean and most are sporting kickass abs, but I'm sure they aren't real contenders right. Please don't say that an athlete can't be a top contender or world champion and look amazing at the same time.

6'3'' at 220 with single digit bf sounds good, I was there at 15 years old, guess what? I got much more attention at 270 at 10 percent so if you are doing it for those resons you better realize that you will look like a skinny teenager until you hit 250....lol

btw this whole thing about chicks digging abs is true. If you want to pull average women with no originality or uniqueness then you show off that six pack.

As far as athletics go lower bf is NOT better. Think about it CCJ, it is pure physics:
power = rate at which force is applied
force= MASS * Acceleration

Do you really think that being 10 percent is not more powerful than 6 percent given the same LBM? The equations don't lie.

For that matter my LBM is about 275 pounds so find me a 290 pounder with 6 percent and I will out perform him in any strength sport or fight sport. PERIOD

there is a "perfect" range of bf for any given sport. For an interior Lineman in football it is between 12 and 18 percent. Mainly because of the equations above and due to the fact that in sports where you are expected to absorb great impact on a consistant basis you need bf for protection. I played at 6 percent one season and it was horrible. I belive it is the same for a mma. You can't take shots to the body when you have a bf that is too low, it fucking hurts.

 

[sk*]

I have never lost weigth and been stronger. I am not saying that if I gained to 20% bodyfat that I would be even stronger...but at 12-14% now I am stronger than I would be if I fought to be under 10%.

Like it has been said above...train and be the best athlete that you can be and let your bf% fall where it may.

B True

Yes, if you dieted down to 10% you would likely lose some strength, but that wouldn't be due to the fat loss.

You are a strongman, for your sport your bodyfat is ideal. BUT, for example, for a sprinter it would be horrible as it would be like having to hold a dumbbell in their hands while sprinting.

-sk

 

[CobraUTAH]

This IS pointless. I never said I was trying to be a supreme athlete or compete, I just want to do what I want to do, and that's reach a goal of 210-220 at 5-7% is that so wrong. I was being harassed for that goal and for wanting to look good instead of be a top competitor in some sport. I respect big strong guys for the weight they can move, I guess I'm asking for the impossible, MUTUAL RESPECT. I'm just pissed that the big guys think the littler guys with lean bodyfat aren't really doing things right, that mentality of superiority is fucking lame. Go eat another 8000 calories and deadlift 900 pounds there will always be someone stronger. See I can be an asshole too.

 

[revexrevex]

btw this whole thing about chicks digging abs is true. If you want to pull average women with no originality or uniqueness then you show off that six pack.

lol I should start a scrapbook of these quotes