Why do people here bag on cutting cycle's and low body fat %??

[JOKER47]

Is SSAlexSS back??????

B True

That guy ruled.......

 

[Thaibox]

Also, thaibox, I have a somewhat unrelated question for you, being that you have extensive NHB/MMA knowledge:

Though there are some pretty lean fighters (Frank Shamrock), why don't some of the fighters try and get leaner/more muscular? I ask this for weight class reasons. Wouldn't rather be 200 @ 8% BF than 12%? This means more muscle/more strength. The only time BF affects your stamina is at the ultra low ranges (under 6) right?

First, I'll point out that a little bird told me some fighters may utilize small amounts of performance enhancing drugs just a little bit.

Are you asking this based on a presumption for fighters to desire to fight at a lower weight class?

I'm not too sure what you're asking.

I found some real Kava root from Fiji and drank some for the first time. I feel funny so bear with me

 

[PCxPete]

this is pretty silly overall i gotta say.

im just eating whatever i want withiin reason (just finished a huge plate of chicken and rice) and trying to lift as much as i can, infact, im aiming for at least to PR's this arvo.

we should organise a mass EF picnic where we can all work out and share our lunches.. sound like fun kiddies?

 

[spatts]

Two months ago I cut from 192 to 176 in 6 weeks with no strength loss, no thermos, and no steroids. It can be done. It's called carb cycling.

 

[coolcolj]

Like what? If I am stronger (at the given sport) at a better and more comfortable weight...does it really matter what you weigh?

There is a reason why the Heavies put up the biggest numbers...

B True

That's still about lifting weights, where size is an important factor in absolute strength, obviously the heavier weight classes tend to have taller guys with bigger frames and bigger muscles. Lean body mass is still what drives the weights up, not the fat.

But say in sprinting, long jump etc you'd be at a big disadvantage. Even in olympic weightlifting, you have to propel your own bodyweight, anything that doesn't help flex the weight up is an added burden. You can also keep the bar closer to the body when leaner, so that would make a big difference with al things being equal.

And having the extra fat as leverage may allow you to lift more weights in powerlifting (decrease ROM too ) but it won't make you run faster or jump higher. When you get leaner you may drop your squat 1RM due to decreasing leverage, but your actual muscles are still as strong as they were when fatter since the CNS is not highly effected by bodyfat levels, so you'd have a much better power to weight ratio.
Fat also acts as friction on the muscles.

Remeber in sports strength is important but no where near as important as explosive power - the ability to exert force in a very short time periods under 0.25 secs, here fat leverage is a non-factor.

 

[endpoint]

all i know is im having pizza in half an hour

 

[b fold the truth]

CCJ:

What about in MA?

I've never done a lot of running...but I do see your point...

B True

 

[coolcolj]

CCJ:

What about in MA?

I've never done a lot of running...but I do see your point...

B True

I concede to your point in Sumo wrestling ...

 

[circusgirl]

Like what? If I am stronger (at the given sport) at a better and more comfortable weight...does it really matter what you weigh?

There is a reason why the Heavies put up the biggest numbers...

B True

Boxing maybe? Or martial arts? I know a lot of people who go to quite a bit of trouble to either cut down to the top of the next lowest class or bulk up to the top of their current one. I guess when you need endurance ability as well as strength lower BW helps....

Mind you, I believe Lennox Lewis has weighed in at 18 stone (that's just over 200lbs) recently...

 

[collegiateLifter]

Remeber in sports strength is important but no where near as important as explosive power - the ability to exert force in a very short time periods under 0.25 secs, here fat leverage is a non-factor.

I am disapointed by the over generalizations ccj.
For instance, there are many sports where explosive strength is not supreme, like various forms of wrestling, long distance anything, gymnastics, rock climbing, etc. Explosive strength is very helpful in quite a lot of sports but certainly not paramount in all.

as for

That's still about lifting weights, where size is an important factor in absolute strength, obviously the heavier weight classes tend to have taller guys with bigger frames and bigger muscles. Lean body mass is still what drives the weights up, not the fat.

... Even in olympic weightlifting, you have to propel your own bodyweight, anything that doesn't help flex the weight up is an added burden. You can also keep the bar closer to the body when leaner, so that would make a big difference with al things being equal.

The comments on weightlifting are simply incorrect.

The champ, Alexyev , got fatter and fatter in his career, but he also lifted bigger and bigger weights.

furthermore, if you look around at superheavy OLer's, succesful ones, very few are lean. Shan Hammnond certainly isn't. Additionally, I reason that given the relentless tinkering of the soviets and the meticulous planning of the eastern bloc, then they would have found whether or not being lean was helpful for heavies, and consequently had they found leaness beneficial, their lifters would have been lean. In short most heavies are fat and it's not because they are slobs.