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Why do people here bag on cutting cycle's and low body fat %??
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No no, I'm not saying a guy that's 240 lbs at 20 % vs. a 200 lb at 10%.
It's all based on weight classes. For example the light-heavyweight category. I believe this is either 205 or 200 lbs. But anyway, if you're an elite fighter, will you want to come in at 200 lbs at 8% or 200 lbs at 12-14%? You're the *same weight* but with a much higher percentage of muscle mass. I cannot see how this would be unfavorable.
It's all based on weight classes. For example the light-heavyweight category. I believe this is either 205 or 200 lbs. But anyway, if you're an elite fighter, will you want to come in at 200 lbs at 8% or 200 lbs at 12-14%? You're the *same weight* but with a much higher percentage of muscle mass. I cannot see how this would be unfavorable.
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People are flat out stronger at a high bodyfat level...they just are. The BEST athletes at most any sport work to be the best and whever their bodyfat falls...is fine with them. Thdy do NOT try to get lean just to get lean. They get lean because of their training... It drives me nuts to see basketball coaches FORCE their players to have below a certain % of bodyfat...it is crazy. You expect the players to get stronger and better while cutting to a low bodyfat????
In Martial Arts...heavyweight class was 186 and up...no matter what I do I'm not going to see 185 again...lol. Why would I want to spend my time and energy (losing energy to drop bodyfat, poor training, feeling like crap) just to get to 10% bodyfat for a fight???
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I just want to throw my 2 cents in. Athletes do NOT give a flying fuck what they look like? Ripped NBA ballers, Lean fighters, any lean athlete for that matter trains and eats to perform their best. Athletes, at least real ones, do not say "Oh, my abs would look better at 6% bf, I better drop weight so I can go to the mall and pick up 16 yr old chicks". They don't give a fuck what they look like. It is all about performing your best and the best weight for you......whatever you look like, you look like. Whatever your bf % is, it is. If your abs show, super, if they don't who cares because it means nothing with respect to performance. I a so fucking sick of people thinking an athlete trains with appearance in mind. The average douche bag may train with appearance in mind, but with athletes performance is in mind, and however they look they look.
Cobra to answer the original thread, I don't people bag on BB's who want to cut up. The training board is serious and there are a lot of serious athletes on here (you may be one for all know). BUT, the majority of cutting stuff comes from guys who are like 5'11" and 165 lbs and want opinions on Richard Smmons' Sweatin to the Oldies. They are not serious, so they are flamed for being cream cakes. I think anybody looking to get a good diet/training program to effectively drop BF% in order to increase their performance is treated fairly.
Cobra to answer the original thread, I don't people bag on BB's who want to cut up. The training board is serious and there are a lot of serious athletes on here (you may be one for all know). BUT, the majority of cutting stuff comes from guys who are like 5'11" and 165 lbs and want opinions on Richard Smmons' Sweatin to the Oldies. They are not serious, so they are flamed for being cream cakes. I think anybody looking to get a good diet/training program to effectively drop BF% in order to increase their performance is treated fairly.
B, I agree with strength coming from body fat. I was never stronger than when my BF went up to 13%, plus my overall weight was much higher, I felt unstoppable in the gym. However for something like basketball, those guys are lean because of all the cardio based training and drills they do. I think it would be pretty hard to get bulky when doing all that cardio and volume, but your right having a required body fat level is rediculous. Everyone is different and based on a diet or training come to a homeostasis with their body fat and weight. Some people are naturally going to be lean at a certain caloric intake and training routine and have to make massive changes to increase body fat. Others are naturally thick and have a high body fat level while doing an equivalent level of work and caloric intake.
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Well bfold that's not quite accurate, here are the weight classes (for the UFC at least):
Lightweight - over 145 lbs. to 155 lbs.
Welterweight - over 155 lbs. to 170 lbs.
Middleweight - over 170 lbs. to 185 lbs.
Light Heavyweight - over 185 lbs. to 205 lbs.
Heavyweight - over 205 lbs. to 265 lbs.
Super Heavyweight - 265 lbs. & up
People are stronger at a higher bodyfat level because they weigh more. Are you saying that a man who is at 200 lb @ 14%, who trains to add muscle, and reaches 215 @ 14% over time. Then after dieting (very careful and not super-restricted) and not losing any muscle mass, he becomes 200 lbs at 8% bodyfat.
How could he possibly be weaker than when he started? He might be weaker than when he was at 215, but this is irrelevent. He is now in the exact same weight class but with 15 lbs more muscle than before.
Bfold that's like you saying that you could add 40 lbs of muscle while dropping 40 lbs of fat, and be weaker in the end.
Lightweight - over 145 lbs. to 155 lbs.
Welterweight - over 155 lbs. to 170 lbs.
Middleweight - over 170 lbs. to 185 lbs.
Light Heavyweight - over 185 lbs. to 205 lbs.
Heavyweight - over 205 lbs. to 265 lbs.
Super Heavyweight - 265 lbs. & up
People are stronger at a higher bodyfat level because they weigh more. Are you saying that a man who is at 200 lb @ 14%, who trains to add muscle, and reaches 215 @ 14% over time. Then after dieting (very careful and not super-restricted) and not losing any muscle mass, he becomes 200 lbs at 8% bodyfat.
How could he possibly be weaker than when he started? He might be weaker than when he was at 215, but this is irrelevent. He is now in the exact same weight class but with 15 lbs more muscle than before.
Bfold that's like you saying that you could add 40 lbs of muscle while dropping 40 lbs of fat, and be weaker in the end.
Bigbad, your correct athletes mostly don't care what they look like but I bet even though they perform better with a gut they sometimes just sometimes wish they were leaner looking, if they could maintain their performance levels. Not everyone is a performing competing athlete. I originally posted because I was being put down for wanting to train for looks as well as strength. I don't consider my desire to bench 315 someday to be motivated by anything but my desire to get stronger. My goals are to look as good as I can for my personal needs and wants while being strong as well, but the strength is the most important to me. I know everyone will rip that apart and say then stop wasting time with abs because you won't get to your max while lean as hell and worrying about a six pack. That is true I KNOW THAT. Right now my goal is to see how ripped I can be and then move onto how strong I can be while not being concerned with how the abs look all the time although I will keep them a priority because crazy me likes that look.
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