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Weight: Natural V. Gear

Natural V. Gear----> Mass Differences

  • Gear: 140-160

    Votes: 4 0.6%

  • Gear: 160-180

    Votes: 10 1.6%

  • Gear: 180-200

    Votes: 35 5.5%

  • Gear 200-225

    Votes: 62 9.8%

  • Gear: 225-250

    Votes: 32 5.1%

  • Gear: 250+

    Votes: 18 2.8%

  • Natural: 140-160

    Votes: 48 7.6%

  • Natural: 160-180

    Votes: 89 14.1%

  • Natural: 180-200

    Votes: 138 21.8%

  • Natural: 200-225

    Votes: 113 17.9%

  • Natural: 225-250

    Votes: 49 7.8%

  • Natural: 250+

    Votes: 34 5.4%
  • Total voters
    632
im 5ft11 185lbs im a vegetarian i bench418lbs clean and think drugs are a waste of time .i see guys at the gym taking gear and making big gains but when they come off they drop alot of weight at least when ur natural and have good weights u keep it
 
littlearnold said:
im 5ft11 185lbs im a vegetarian i bench418lbs clean and think drugs are a waste of time .i see guys at the gym taking gear and making big gains but when they come off they drop alot of weight at least when ur natural and have good weights u keep it
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A vegaterian?
 
About 195 on a full stomache...Natural aside from supplements. Id like to avoid drugs if possible and build a massive and ultra strong body. All my lifts and stats are in my signature below. I dont see why I cant hit 20" natural arms, since Im already only one line under 18" cold and flexed. Only 2 inches. 23+ is my ultimate goal. Im 23 and have been training for nearly 10 straight years. "No2" and "Cell-Tech" are working real well for me now.
 
aurelius said:


I first senctence doesn´t answer anything. How do you not get solid knowledge using steroids? Does it make you dumb?

p.s. good question, dgreen.
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IMO on the juice you dont have to train nearly as hard. Can probabally build 19 inch guns curling 45lb dumbells. Ive seen alot of fucking juicers that are weak as fuck for thier size. JMO Training without drugs, youve got to learn how to build muscle and strength thru diet and lifting only. Takes a hell of alot more discipline and dedication in my opinion.
 
I hit 251 14 months ago, natural. Went down to 200 after injury + dieting. Went back to 230`s now dieted to about 220 and pretty cut up.

I`m 35 and the gains have slowed to a crawl. Look out dark side, here I come. After this diet is over.
 
When someone votes in the poll it bumps the thread.

There was a 2 year old thread bumped on the training board because of some nimrod voting in it. It was a lame thread too, by SSalex.

But whoever bumped this was good for a laugh, because:

"MAG-10 IS 6 TIMES MORE ANABOLIC THAN TEST!"

ROFL
 
The poll doesnt take into account bf% which is critical. My dad is a 250+ natural, but a total fatty.

Since we bumped this anyways, I agree, once you juice one time, you are never natural again. Sorry. Ok, I will allow an exception: you get hit by a cement truck and live in a coma for years while your body withers away and you wake up at 110 lbs. Then if you dont juice, I will call you a natural.
 
yeesh how old is this

i think that the poll options should have been in 10lb increments in the naturals section

most guys i know who are natty usually float around 180-210 unless they are giraffes

personally im 195 one day and 202 the next, naturally, so...
 
Some asshole keeps bumping this and then deleting the bump post.It happened twice today.

Can the Mods tell us who it is?
 
When I do nothing, I weigh in at around 140. I've always had a healthy slim body ... I'm looking to put on some muscle but there's too much happening in my life to get started. I have more important things to worry about (taxes, money, rent, bills, jobs, school, food, so-on-and-so-forth).
 
®ª† said:
When I do nothing, I weigh in at around 140. I've always had a healthy slim body ... I'm looking to put on some muscle but there's too much happening in my life to get started. I have more important things to worry about (taxes, money, rent, bills, jobs, school, food, so-on-and-so-forth).
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Theres always an excuse. The dedicated make a way.
 
WalkingBeast said:


Theres always an excuse. The dedicated make a way.
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It's all good though ... I'm not overweight at all nor do I look it. If anything, I look underweight so working out isn't a high priority. ;)
 
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It's all good though ... I'm not overweight at all nor do I look it. If anything, I look underweight so working out isn't a high priority. ;)
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Being underweight gives you a much better base to build with, if ever you do decide to start lifting.
 
WalkingBeast said:


Being underweight gives you a much better base to build with, if ever you do decide to start lifting.
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I'd like to start lifting now but I can't afford to eat as healthy as I'd like ... and if I'm not mistaken, I have to eat healthy if lifting is going to have any effect.
 
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I'd like to start lifting now but I can't afford to eat as healthy as I'd like ... and if I'm not mistaken, I have to eat healthy if lifting is going to have any effect.
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Nah. Health is more important long term. All you need is basic cheap foods for lifting. Rice,whey protein,milk,oats, tuna or chicken. There are some really cheap foods you can buy for lifting and still get in a massive amount of protein. Guess you could say they are also healthy too. The food may be bland, but itll work. Im on a 300$ budget for food, gas and gym membership per month, and I make it work. I would be alot better off to buy chicken and meats in bulk like I used to, and cook them on the foreman grill. You can start a thread in the diet forum about inexpensive quality food sources and you will get alot of great responses. My diet lately is TV dinners and milk, which is not the optimal way to save money. I would also suggest joining a warehouse like Sam's, Costco's, or BJ's , its maybe 40$ a year. You can buy LOTS of meats and foods in bulk and with a George Foreman grill, cooking and preparing them is easy. Its definately doable. Unless your budget is rediculously low and you dont have a way to make extra income. Hope that helps
 
WalkingBeast said:
Nah. Health is more important long term. All you need is basic cheap foods for lifting. Rice,whey protein,milk,oats, tuna or chicken. There are some really cheap foods you can buy for lifting and still get in a massive amount of protein. Guess you could say they are also healthy too. The food may be bland, but itll work. Im on a 300$ budget for food, gas and gym membership per month, and I make it work. I would be alot better off to buy chicken and meats in bulk like I used to, and cook them on the foreman grill. You can start a thread in the diet forum about inexpensive quality food sources and you will get alot of great responses. My diet lately is TV dinners and milk, which is not the optimal way to save money. I would also suggest joining a warehouse like Sam's, Costco's, or BJ's , its maybe 40$ a year. You can buy LOTS of meats and foods in bulk and with a George Foreman grill, cooking and preparing them is easy. Its definately doable. Unless your budget is rediculously low and you dont have a way to make extra income. Hope that helps
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Right now, I only have one job and only make $200 bi-weekly ... I did have a part-time job at a graphic design firm working full-time hours but they don't have enough work for me right now so I'm trying to survive on my one job for now. I just submitted a few job applications at some local shops just so I can get a little more cash. My monthly rent is $395 a month and my phone bill is $60 a month. I am just barely making it and the money in my bank account is draining quickly. I'm only eating once a day and it's only a slice of pizza here, or a few handfulls of cereal there. On the weekends though, I pig out (I get free food ... mostly crap but it works).
 
Damn SSS. You put on 24lbs in three moths?
 
®ª? said:
Right now, I only have one job and only make $200 bi-weekly ... I did have a part-time job at a graphic design firm working full-time hours but they don't have enough work for me right now so I'm trying to survive on my one job for now. I just submitted a few job applications at some local shops just so I can get a little more cash. My monthly rent is $395 a month and my phone bill is $60 a month. I am just barely making it and the money in my bank account is draining quickly. I'm only eating once a day and it's only a slice of pizza here, or a few handfulls of cereal there. On the weekends though, I pig out (I get free food ... mostly crap but it works).
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Sounds like your down to the bone on money. Youll have to wait until finances change for optimal results then. Consistancy is very important. Guess youll just have to do what you can for now, and atleast try to maintain somewhat. Keep at it!!
 
JerseyArt said:
Damn SSS. You put on 24lbs in three moths?
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Well, I figured that since I was going to be on HRT for the rest of my life I might as well do something useful for it and start my first cycle. It does a body good. ;)

I could hardly be called a natty after having started HRT.
 
littlearnold said:
im 5ft11 185lbs im a vegetarian i bench418lbs clean and think drugs are a waste of time .i see guys at the gym taking gear and making big gains but when they come off they drop alot of weight at least when ur natural and have good weights u keep it
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yeah, when they come off they drop so much weight they look sickly.
I dont think I could handle that psychologically, so I stay natural.
 
The Shadow said:
Most will do a cycle. They get off and drop weight. Most will not do another cycle until their bodyweight gets to where it was b-4 the cycle ended. To me, that's the proper way to cycle. Perhaps a little off topic.

btw - the newest prohormones on the market are 6 times as anabolic as test....
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They're still just prohormones
 
Gear isn't the end all be all from what I have seen at my local gym.

If you ain't got genetics then even large amounts of gear aren't gonna make you look freakish or even very muscular to alot of people.

There's a guy at my gym that trains his ass off! He also has taken as much as 1500mgs a week of test and deca on top of that and he has a hard, muscular and pretty impressive build, BUT he's not that big nor is he all that strong. As far as I know he's been hardcore into bodybuilding for +10 years and after almost a year of consistent training I am stronger and bigger albeit not as lean as him. I have done "1" 3 week cycle of 1-AD.

What's that tell you?

It tells me that his genetics for strength and size are only average or sub-average at best and through massive amounts of roids and training over time he has been able to build himself up to what I would consider a somewhat impressive natural look.

I love it when guys try to shit on guys who use steroids. It seems to me that they either think they are holier than thou, or have crappy genetics and won't use steroids to help improve their naturally crap genetics, or have resigned themselves to not using and instead crapping on people who use steroids that may or may not have better genetics than them.

It's genetics and hard work, but if you ain't got pretty good genetics then you probably won't get bigger or stronger even on large amounts of steroids than a natural guy that has better genetics and trains hard.
 
i think there's alot more to consider about size like height and BF.. im only 206 at 6'6" with 6% BF while someone else can be 206 at 5'8" at 20%
 
supersizeme said:
i have always considered anyone who has ever injected or swallowed some type of steroid to lose "natural" status for the remainder of their time in the iron game. the technicality of "i'm currently not on right now" doesn't really make any sense. ok so you are not currently on, however look at the gains you have made in the past from gear. it will still outpace a natural guy. it's somewhat insulting to someone who has never juiced to hear a guy consider himself to be in the same class as you simply because he hasn't done gear in a few months.
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I disagree with that, I came out of my 1st cycle weighing 275 and benching 365 for 5 reps on my fifth set for example, then about 4 months later (after my last shot) I ran into some problems with life and stuff like that, so when all of that "life stuff" was over it had been 8 months since I had juiced and to say the least that last 4 months of the 8 had taken a toll, I was down to 245 and I maxed 315 for 3 on a good day when I finnally got back to the gym.

So once I had my life back on a normal level again I decided to get back into lifting this was about 10 months after my last shot and I felt that everything I gained was all lost so I considered myself natural again and I was going to start all over so 5 months later I weighed 255 and benched 365 for 4 on my top set, now call it what you may but I still think that when I hit those numbers I did it naturally and I do see what your saying but I still have to disagree with you.


"Life is ours we live it our way"
 
I am 200-215 natural(fluctuates constantly) but I am going to try a cycle to see what happens. Also being 6'5" that isn't very big.
 
wow, i must be the smallest guy on gear here... :p ive been working out 3yrs now, started eating good last year, about a year ago.. went up from 115 (yea i was a little bea) to the mid-low 120's... now on my first cycle of winny only, 30mg ED ive weighed in last night at 139 1/4 YEAH BABY!
im 5'5 now probly 7%, was like 5% but i still look way better with the extra % just a little noticable in my midsection, but not really
...hardgainer, samll frame...
 
jstrong20 said:
Yes the poll kinda sucks. Weight, height and bf% need to be included. I use gear and weigh 218lbs. at 5'10'' about 10% bf.
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Yep I do agree every one just throwen out their weight how about stats

5'-6" 190wt. 12% 43 years old
 
Before I ever touched gear I hit 230. I've been as heavy as 262 while on. I can easily stay above 250 while natty (was at 252 ~10 months after cycle).
 
The Shadow said:
Don't like the poll. Slanted.

A lot of people do 2-3 cycles per year with months off in between.

So - someone who has done a cycle b-4, but has been clean for several months would vote how??

Technically that person would be natural at the moment.
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To compete in naturals in England, NPA natural for life
or BNBF clean for 10 years
 
you need to have something in regards to bodyfat %, alot of natties i know are fatasses and then you have a guy on gear at the same weight who is 8%...
 
I've never touched ANY kind of gear and I am 270 lbs. @ 21% BF. (I'm also 6'5)

I don't know much at all about gear so I have a quick question:
Is a person's maximum size/strength determined by genetics alone? Does gear only allow a person to reach their peak faster? Does it not actually increase their peak?

Basically my question boils down to this for me personally: If I started taking gear tomorrow and got to my maximum size/strength in 5 years, is that same maximum of size/strength still attainable without gear? (although if it is it would take much longer, of course)

Thanks a bunch for any info!
 
havoc said:
Prohormones do not come close to AS, just like creatine.


"Havoc - do you mean then, that drugs will allow you to surpass genetic limitations?? Surely not?"
Exactly, they do not allow you to surpass your genetic limitations/potential. They give you a false impression, your body lets you know your genetic limitations/potential by regressing when one gets off. peace
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i know im a little late here, but the above statement is not true

prohormones are very much like steroids
an man at my gym took sustonol 250, a prohormone
after he was done with his box, i didnt see him around much anymore
he came in the other day and said he was having trouble finding motivation to come to the gym anymore
he also had no sex drive, depression, crying, and an overall lack of energy
his doctor took blood tests, and put him on HRT for 3 months due to very low testosterone levels
the low test shows that the body responded to the abnormally high test levels in his body while on cycle. 'This is exactly what happens when one in on a steriod cycle
prohormones give 1/4 of the benefits with most all of the side effects, but, i do think that the benefit it does give is not "natural". if it was, there wouldnt be low test levels during pct time

im usually 20 pds bigger on cycle, but have never been able to keep that weight off cycle
i go back down to the 240 that i have been for the past 8 years
bf % doesnt fluctuate much(although i do need to lean up)
 
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