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training fallacies that annoy me
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I, like Ronnie, do dumbell kickbacks, two hands at a time. I make sure my elbows dont move throughout the movement and my tris love it. Whats wrong with doing those?
I also am guilty of doing behind the neck pulldowns, but with lighter weight and concentrate on only using the lats (i will do ANYTHING to build up a nice kite back there).
I also am guilty of doing behind the neck pulldowns, but with lighter weight and concentrate on only using the lats (i will do ANYTHING to build up a nice kite back there).
don't do the palms-up press downs
but i do the behind the neck pulldowns. and i've already read your reply andy (the same as the tricep guys), but i really do feel a major difference in where it works. i swear that the behind the neck pull-downs (i never do a weight that i can't do 8 reps with) works my outer/upper-back more because that's where i get the burn when i'm doing them. reverse grip pull-downs for me burn more toward the front of the lat and normal grip front pull downs burn more in the lower front of the lat.
the way i see it, if it's burning there it's gotta be working there. and if it's burning, i like it
and as far as the whole - most prone to rotator cuff bullshit - sorry but that was freaking published in muscle and fitness like 6 years ago and now everybody walks around as though it were fact.
maybe for beginners that is a fact, but for a more experienced weightlifters who know their bodies... i think it's an effective exercise.
but i do the behind the neck pulldowns. and i've already read your reply andy (the same as the tricep guys), but i really do feel a major difference in where it works. i swear that the behind the neck pull-downs (i never do a weight that i can't do 8 reps with) works my outer/upper-back more because that's where i get the burn when i'm doing them. reverse grip pull-downs for me burn more toward the front of the lat and normal grip front pull downs burn more in the lower front of the lat.
the way i see it, if it's burning there it's gotta be working there. and if it's burning, i like it
and as far as the whole - most prone to rotator cuff bullshit - sorry but that was freaking published in muscle and fitness like 6 years ago and now everybody walks around as though it were fact.
maybe for beginners that is a fact, but for a more experienced weightlifters who know their bodies... i think it's an effective exercise.
DTOX
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Dropping the dumbells onto the floor after every fucking set while at the same time screaming "ARGH!!!" And I do mean -every fucking set-.
For example, some idiot will do db flyes with 30 lbs and from about 4' up he'll let them come crashing onto the floor while yelling as if he just shit his depends undergarments for the 20th time in the past hour.
For example, some idiot will do db flyes with 30 lbs and from about 4' up he'll let them come crashing onto the floor while yelling as if he just shit his depends undergarments for the 20th time in the past hour.
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STORM SHADOW
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I agree with most except the thread that states you cannot change the shape of a muscle.......actually I'm of the belief that the sole reason men's biceps look like they do instead of the feminine long belly type is because since we were young we flexed it a lot. I believe flexing improves the shape of the belly of the muscle. Women who flex a lot have masculine looking bellies of the muscle.....how would a person account for a female that just lifts weights to stay in shape & uses a lot of weight & proper exercises still having the female style belly of muscle but if you look at women that are actually trying to get that belly to stick up.........they flex all the time. I believe it's the flexing......that's my story & I'm sticking to it.
As for the lat pull downs....I cringe when I see so many people in the gym use the front lat pull down as if it were an extension of the tricep extension......oh yeah.....you've seen it......bar overhead........pull it down.....it just keeps coming down to their lap.......OMG & the people that have degrees at the Wellness Center I go to in Physical Therapy taught them that......HOLY SHIT......can you imagine the stress at 2 different joints? Shoulder rotating to accomidate the pronation of the wrists.......then the elbow joint picks up the next part of the stress at parallel.....then the wrists.......fuck.......stupid fuckers.....therapists & I have gone round & round.
Biggest arguements I've gotten in with therapists in the Wellness Center was on these two basic moves......
Dumbell Curl
Inverted Leg Press
In the Curl they want them against the wall & drop the weight to a full extension with kness slightly bent.......
I say.....knees slightly bent & leaning forward to keep the stress at the top of the movement....if leaning straight or back against a wall......stress will be relieved 3/4's into the movement.........that's a no go........
Next.......full extension.....they will pay for that when they get old......when you get full extension....I mean complete......the bones slightly pull apart at the elbow....then when you explode into the concentric phase of the exercise.....the bones there slam together.....every damn time......which will lead to a debilitating condition.
Never fully relax on the curl & do not lock outl.
On the Inverted Leg Press.......don't lock out. The bone has to travel a little further apart close to lock out & then as you lock out......notice that your leg comes back together.....try it sometime.....you'll extend........just as you lock out....it seems as your leg came apart & then came back together.......don't fully lock out at the top.....just go to the point just before lock out & bring it back down for the next part of the movement.
Imagine your leg as the joint moves & then is snapped in place at the lock out position by 600-1300lbs of weight against it for years. Plus that type of lock out rests the muscle too much at the top.....it should not be resting.
The last one is.......the MASSIVE GUY in the gym.......(massive fat ass more like it that thinks he is the hulk), bouncing 3 plates off his chest & using the powerlifter style spring as he lays there. Try crossing your legs over the bench in a 90degs & stop the weight 1 inch from the upper pec.....hehehehehe I dare him.......I double dare him.
I fart in their general direction
As for the lat pull downs....I cringe when I see so many people in the gym use the front lat pull down as if it were an extension of the tricep extension......oh yeah.....you've seen it......bar overhead........pull it down.....it just keeps coming down to their lap.......OMG & the people that have degrees at the Wellness Center I go to in Physical Therapy taught them that......HOLY SHIT......can you imagine the stress at 2 different joints? Shoulder rotating to accomidate the pronation of the wrists.......then the elbow joint picks up the next part of the stress at parallel.....then the wrists.......fuck.......stupid fuckers.....therapists & I have gone round & round.
Biggest arguements I've gotten in with therapists in the Wellness Center was on these two basic moves......
Dumbell Curl
Inverted Leg Press
In the Curl they want them against the wall & drop the weight to a full extension with kness slightly bent.......
I say.....knees slightly bent & leaning forward to keep the stress at the top of the movement....if leaning straight or back against a wall......stress will be relieved 3/4's into the movement.........that's a no go........
Next.......full extension.....they will pay for that when they get old......when you get full extension....I mean complete......the bones slightly pull apart at the elbow....then when you explode into the concentric phase of the exercise.....the bones there slam together.....every damn time......which will lead to a debilitating condition.
Never fully relax on the curl & do not lock outl.
On the Inverted Leg Press.......don't lock out. The bone has to travel a little further apart close to lock out & then as you lock out......notice that your leg comes back together.....try it sometime.....you'll extend........just as you lock out....it seems as your leg came apart & then came back together.......don't fully lock out at the top.....just go to the point just before lock out & bring it back down for the next part of the movement.
Imagine your leg as the joint moves & then is snapped in place at the lock out position by 600-1300lbs of weight against it for years. Plus that type of lock out rests the muscle too much at the top.....it should not be resting.
The last one is.......the MASSIVE GUY in the gym.......(massive fat ass more like it that thinks he is the hulk), bouncing 3 plates off his chest & using the powerlifter style spring as he lays there. Try crossing your legs over the bench in a 90degs & stop the weight 1 inch from the upper pec.....hehehehehe I dare him.......I double dare him.
I fart in their general direction
walkthewalk
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aerobics. i see the same heffers going in and out of these classes for years and they not lose a pound and then give you an attitude as they wait to do a million calf raises before they go home to bore their family with the tales of all the hard work they've been putting in the gym.
ragin' said:does everyone have the guy who thinks you're his best friend 'cause you've given him a spot a couple times?there's this guy who stands around and talkes to me all the f'n time. i'm kind of a nice guy so it's hard for me to tell him to go away... when inside i want to hurl a 120lb dumbel at his head so he'll leave me the hell alone. dont you hate people that dont catch on to body gestures?
Yep, we call him the "Talk It Up Gym Man"...LOL
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