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needsize said:
Excellent contribution. I'm not sure why you would even say that to be honest.
Excellent contribution. I'm not sure why you would even say that to be honest.
I've been doing something similar to what dc said and love it so far, I think I am gonna keep doing this till end of summer then i'll give WSB a try for a while.
Overall, love what DC says. So far I grow on less protein than what you suggest though, second I hit a plateau i'll immidietely bump up my protein.
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Overall, love what DC says. So far I grow on less protein than what you suggest though, second I hit a plateau i'll immidietely bump up my protein.
-sk
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needsize said:
Agreed.
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Debaser said:
The reasons are likely two-fold. One is sheer irony. You likely cannot see the other because myopia brings you happiness.
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Baoh said:
Cute response.
In fact, DC is an excellent example of the whole size vs. knowledge debate. On the "cycling for pennies thread", DC posted a pic of himself, and, while big, some bros questioned his knowledge because he was not as big as they expected him to be. Then I believe some size vs. knowledge debate resulted after that. Therefore, very appropriate to bring the topic up here.
On my taking the opportunity to thank DC on this thread, I did it because it was convenient and I wanted to.
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Considering DC was one of the examples I listed in my original post Baoh, and it concerned their expertise, obviously their expertise would probably end up being discussed. Saying its "an ad for DC training" is a comment stemming from pure ignorance.
Debaser said:
I said it because it was true, the thread morphed from your original post to another one of your info-mercials. You seem to have a real attitude problem when anyone has anything to say that you dont agree with. I've never once had anything negative to say about the DC training as it makes sense, but you on the other hand have trashed just about every other training philosophy or approach. You need to relax a bit
Alright, everybody simmer down and get back on track. I'd like to add something else to the original point.
All too often, people gravitate more toward the image than the message. That's why supplement companies use pros to endorse their products. People don't want to hear than that someone gained 10 pounds of muscle and went from 160 to 170. They want to see massively, ripped freakazoids! But one thing has nothing to do with the other.
On the other end, I get people who want to learn my methods because they like that "fitness model" body look -- which is more what I possess. Well...suprise! I didn't make the progress I did by doing "fitness model" exercises! I got it though hardcore bodybuilding techniques. That's the fastest, most efficient way to put on muscle whether you're 150 pounds or 250 pounds. And it doesn't matter whether your goal is to be 190 or 390. Many of the same principles apply. I think DC will agree with this.
Personally, I didn't want to be any bigger, but I can show someone how to be as big as they want, just as I'm sure DC can get someone into shape who's only desire is to look good on the beach. What works, works.
Over the years I've conducted a lot of interviews with top pros and do you know who I thought was the most knowledgabe of all? Jack LaLanne. That's right -- the guy who geared his careeer toward getting fat housewives in shape. That guy knows more than most of the people on this board, COLLECTIVELY, will ever know. And that's a a man who practices what he preaches.
But hey, some moron can take a gram and a half of gear a week and be bigger than LaLanne ever was, so why should he listen to him? That's the thinking. And that's the problem.
So the bottom line is, it's the information that counts , and the knowledge and the ablity to convey it -- as well as practicing what you preach and having the results to show for it. In that regard, the experts in the field are far and few-between.
All too often, people gravitate more toward the image than the message. That's why supplement companies use pros to endorse their products. People don't want to hear than that someone gained 10 pounds of muscle and went from 160 to 170. They want to see massively, ripped freakazoids! But one thing has nothing to do with the other.
On the other end, I get people who want to learn my methods because they like that "fitness model" body look -- which is more what I possess. Well...suprise! I didn't make the progress I did by doing "fitness model" exercises! I got it though hardcore bodybuilding techniques. That's the fastest, most efficient way to put on muscle whether you're 150 pounds or 250 pounds. And it doesn't matter whether your goal is to be 190 or 390. Many of the same principles apply. I think DC will agree with this.
Personally, I didn't want to be any bigger, but I can show someone how to be as big as they want, just as I'm sure DC can get someone into shape who's only desire is to look good on the beach. What works, works.
Over the years I've conducted a lot of interviews with top pros and do you know who I thought was the most knowledgabe of all? Jack LaLanne. That's right -- the guy who geared his careeer toward getting fat housewives in shape. That guy knows more than most of the people on this board, COLLECTIVELY, will ever know. And that's a a man who practices what he preaches.
But hey, some moron can take a gram and a half of gear a week and be bigger than LaLanne ever was, so why should he listen to him? That's the thinking. And that's the problem.
So the bottom line is, it's the information that counts , and the knowledge and the ablity to convey it -- as well as practicing what you preach and having the results to show for it. In that regard, the experts in the field are far and few-between.
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Great points Nelson. Along the line of some women thinking that they want to look "toned." They don't realize that they need to add muscle, and then lose fat, and that this isn't really different from the guy wanting to get huge (until you get to extreme levels of course).
And Needsize, I'd like you to point out where in this thread *I* turned it into a DC infomercial. I believe that those were OTHERS posting about their results and experiences. And yes, I HAVE trashed volume routines. And I always will. I'm sorry if this upsets you. But I'm not going to change my mind.
And Needsize, I'd like you to point out where in this thread *I* turned it into a DC infomercial. I believe that those were OTHERS posting about their results and experiences. And yes, I HAVE trashed volume routines. And I always will. I'm sorry if this upsets you. But I'm not going to change my mind.
