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Running tren alone?

curls4girls

curls4girls

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Mainly directed towards stevsmi and SD bc I saw them make a recent comment on a post saying they run Tren by itself, without test.

I have never ran tren alone and I've always been told to use test with it.

I am very curious as to who all has used Tren alone, and what kind of results/side effects they experienced. Because I would greatly consider running tren alone, I have just never heard of any one doing it. Thanks
 
You should not run tren alone. You need to run tes with it because it's going to shut you down hard which means no tes to function on. You need to run at least a good hrt dose around 200 mg a wk of tes to keep from depleting all the tes in your system. Tren is wicked and without tes to keep you balanced out you will suffer. Anyone that says tren alone must have run bunk cause tes has to be base of all cycles if you want then to be successful.
 
You don't need test. I've ran a couple times alone and had amazing results. I ran ace at 100mg eod but a first run stand alone will be pretty good at 75mg.
 
Tectime said:
You should not run tren alone. You need to run tes with it because it's going to shut you down hard which means no tes to function on. You need to run at least a good hrt dose around 200 mg a wk of tes to keep from depleting all the tes in your system. Tren is wicked and without tes to keep you balanced out you will suffer. Anyone that says tren alone must have run bunk cause tes has to be base of all cycles if you want then to be successful.
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You, my friend, are seriously misinformed. There are several issues I have with your post but I'm gonna stick to the matter at hand.

Who ever told you that "tes" must be the base of any cycle in order for it to be successful is an idiot. Don't listen to them. Ever again. Tren can most definitely be run alone as long as prolactin is kept in check. It can also be run with low dose test. Just depends on your goals. Point being that the test is not necessary. I personally prefer to run low test but know plenty of guys who have run very successful tren cycles sans test. It seems that the less test, the less exacerbated the sides from tren are.
 
Very interesting, indeed. It would also be more cost effective! So how effective is the sculpting capabilities of Tren with no test? And how hard is it to restore your HPTA to normal following a Tren only cycle? How long would you run a TrenA cycle without test? And TrenE? Sorry for all the 'BOMBS' ... but this now has me VERY curios. Also, how to the sides compare on Tren only vs Tren+Test.
 
i have ran tren many times both with test and without.

advantage with test is i was more hornier to the point where it was ruining my life and i was cheating on my gf cause she couldn't keep up with me. now to some of you thats an advantage, for me it wasn't.

without test the sides were low, the bloat was less, and my recovery was way faster.

here is the thing with tren, you don't NEED to run ANYTHING with tren to get results. it does it all for you. now with other compounds its advantageous to stack test to give it an anabolic kick (primo for example).

have prolactin control on hand with tren whether you stack or not.

tren at 200mg a week can yield tremendous results, no other compound you can say that. so it makes less sense to stack a bunch of things with tren in my eyes.
 
No one told me it's a bad idea. Experience has shown me running tren alone is not smart. You might get good results if limp dick and no sex drive are some of your goals. And prolactin can be handled with bromo or whatever caber true but nothing can help with the low tes levels you will have during that tren only run except injected tes. Don't think so? Run bloods during cycle and see where your tes level is. I never post something someone has told me unless it was my doc who told me. And please tell me the other issues you have with my earlier post and I'll gladly educate you some more.
 
Tectime said:
No one told me it's a bad idea. Experience has shown me running tren alone is not smart. You might get good results if limp dick and no sex drive are some of your goals. And prolactin can be handled with bromo or whatever caber true but nothing can help with the low tes levels you will have during that tren only run except injected tes. Don't think so? Run bloods during cycle and see where your tes level is. I never post something someone has told me unless it was my doc who told me. And please tell me the other issues you have with my earlier post and I'll gladly educate you some more.
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if you ran bloods during tren alone your test levels would be sky high. tren is a hormone that is derived from testosterone. its not derived from rubber or plastic. hormones are hormones. take a cup of water and add stuff to it and that is what makes the different compounds, in the end if you add salt, sugar, lemons, etc its still going to be made up of mostly water correct?

injecting testosterone suppressed the body no different than any other compound, just because its called testosterone doesn't mean it doesn't suppress. can you run sustanon without stacking 'testosterone' with it? the name is sustanon and its made up of 4 different esters, but by your definition you couldn't run it alone cause its called sustanon. thats how silly saying you must run testosterone in every cycle sounds. i haven't ran test in my cycles in almost 3 years!

i'm curious what experience you had specifically.. can you tell me what you ran and what happened?
 
Oh and I'm also in the cattle industry so the tren I get is pharma vet grade not ugl. So it's the best tren a on the market. I've seen it put a hundred lbs on a steer ( a steer has no balls and no tes level) so sure it will beef you up. But in humans it will slam you're hpta, shut down nat tes production and keep it shut down. You guys run what you like its your health.
 
Tectime said:
Oh and I'm also in the cattle industry so the tren I get is pharma vet grade not ugl. So it's the best tren a on the market. I've seen it put a hundred lbs on a steer ( a steer has no balls and no tes level) so sure it will beef you up. But in humans it will slam you're hpta, shut down nat tes production and keep it shut down. You guys run what you like its your health.
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so your experience with tren has been with your cattle? and not on yourself?

all hormones will 'shut down' .. again you are missing the point.

also i take exception that tren 'keeps you shut down'.. in actuality its not difficult to recover from with a good pct and when you use ace which is in and out of the body quickly. i have a tren only log up on here with bloodwork and everyone i have helped with their tren cycles have recovered just fine

the problem with tren, and this has nothing to do with the thread but i will say it anyway, is it nutrition partitions better than any AAS out there which creates a host of negative side effects. for someone who likes to do a lot of outdoor activities or who is on the road for work all day its a bad choice because you constantly have to be getting in carbs to offset the low blood sugar issues
 
Sure you can run sust by itself. Like you said its tes. Tren is not a blend of tes. It's a chemical derived from fina which allows for better metabolism of food and nutrients. Agsin you can run anything alone if you want doesn't make it right of safe.
 
Tectime said:
Sure you can run sust by itself. Like you said its tes. Tren is not a blend of tes. It's a chemical derived from fina which allows for better metabolism of food and nutrients. Agsin you can run anything alone if you want doesn't make it right of safe.
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Tren is not derived from fina. Fina is the brand name for the implant pellets that happen to contain tren ace. You can remove the fillers and binders from the pellets and get just the tren ace of course. Attach an enanthate or hex molecule and tren becomes tren E or parabolan (also a brand name). Tren is actually derived from nandrolone

Anyway, i was already on 125mg test a week before running tren alone and i didnt change that test dose. Knowing what I know about tren and test, if i would have ran the test at the same or more as the tren, it would have just given more sides. I can say this because the gains and sides from just the tren were the most ive ever seen. I had to stop the cycle at 5 weeks it was so harsh. How would adding more androgens help something like that? Tren is so much stronger than anything Ive touched, it just doesnt help to add anything more androgenic like test. Now next time I might run something like primo or EQ along the tren since those are very mild and would complement nicely.
 
Oh no I've run tren a several times. Love the results. But I have injected gallons of it into cattle. When I say you should run tes along with tren that comes from what it does with me. Not what it does to steered cattle where you want to stop tes production to create more (quantity) and tender meat (quality). Any time you shut down your tes and don't replace it with injected tes you are asking for issues. Best of health to all but please anyone reading this tread research what you are doing before you try any cycle without tes.
 
-SD- said:
Tren is not derived from fina. Fina is the brand name for the implant pellets that happen to contain tren ace. Attach an enanthate or hex molecule and tren becomes tren E or parabolan (also a brand name). Tren is derived from nandrolone

Anyway, i was already on 125mg test a week before running tren alone and i didnt change that test dose. Knowing what I know about tren and test, if i would have ran the test at the same or more as the tren, it would have just given more sides. I can say this because the gains and sides from just the tren were the most ive ever seen. Tren is so much stronger than anything Ive touched, it just doesnt help to add anything more androgenic like test. Now next time I might run something like primo or EQ along the tren since those are very mild and would complement nicely.
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Again you help me make my point. You were injecting a hrt dose of tes. And yes tren is the most powerful compound growth rate to growth rate that there is. And correct it'd a 19nor like nana deca. So would you run deca alone? I have that experience also and it's the same as tren only NOT A GOOD IDEA
 
I'm not comparing cattle to humans. These cattle (steers) have had there balls removed as I stated. I was just showing the power of tren. It's used to allow an x ping of feed to be turned into meat. A 5x ratio to tes. Again you guys run your stuff the way you like. But again any cycle without tes included is like cutting your balls off. Tes is what makes you manly hence the androgen side of aas. Please read and research.
 
Deca is an anabolic with little androgenicity, thats why you would stack with test. You could technically run deca alone with good prolactin management. Tren has equal anabolic and androgenic amounts so theres no need to run test with it. i happen to be on HRT with or without gear, the 125mg/wk puts me squarely in the normal T level range. But i could have been on no test and it wouldnt have made a difference on that tren cycle, its just so strong.
Androgens are androgens and if tren is 3X stronger than test across the board, theres no reason to add test.
 
Tectime said:
Any time you shut down your tes and don't replace it with injected tes you are asking for issues. .
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so you can replace with sustanon and thats okay? sustanon isn't named 'test'.. its 4 esters in a blend. my point is you are confusing the name testosterone with what hormones are. hormones are hormones.. doesn't matter if the name is primo, tren, var, or test. they are all hormones.

if you inject hormones you will suppress your body. the thing that is throwing you off and making you confused is the name 'testosterone'. you think that if you inject testosterone it 'replaces' your own testosterone, yet if you inject tren it does not. that is malarkey. if you replace your hormones with 10X more hormones that is not only replacing it, but that is obliterating it.

think about this for a second and really THINK. how come other compounds suppress TESTOSTERONE in the body if they ARE NOT testosterone as you claim? if this was true then we could run tren for life without worrying about suppressing the HPTA.

another thing that confuses guys is the word 'deca'.. deca is an ester.. its not a steroid. yet the term gets thrown around all the time. if you go to other boards people have no clue about that. this is how bro science starts.

basically you are saying if i didn't use something that says 'testosterone' on the label my entire cycle would be a waste and i would have 'issues'.
 
Tectime said:
Tren is not a blend of tes. It's a chemical derived from fina which allows for better metabolism of food and nutrients. Agsin you can run anything alone if you want doesn't make it right of safe.
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Tren is not a chemical derived from fina!

Trenbelone IS the actual steroid molucule. FINA is a cattle product that makes use of tren.

Ive also had great luck running tren alone.
 
Zyglamail said:
Tren is not a chemical derived from fina!

Trenbelone IS the actual steroid molucule. FINA is a cattle product that makes use of tren.

Ive also had great luck running tren alone.
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nah bro tren is derived from rubber. and its not a male hormone at all. if you run it alone your dick will turn into a pussy.

i swear reading other boards this is what they believe!
 
Keep debating guys this is good.

I see. So test just isnt a wiser choice, its the other way around, if you know how your game is played, but tagain it could be wiser to run low dose test the first time around because of eventual numb dick or bad mood and turning into a complete bitch. Ive seen em. If those are eliminated or bearable side effects its up to all for taking.

Supression with tren alone would be less than with them Both. I think id feel a tad more superman with some test in there though.
Emotionally youre the same without test?

Steve said faster recovery with tren alone. Someone explain.
Thanks.
 
smalljohn said:
Keep debating guys this is good.

I see. So test just isnt a wiser choice, its the other way around, if you know how your game is played, but tagain it could be wiser to run low dose test the first time around because of eventual numb dick or bad mood and turning into a complete bitch. Ive seen em. If those are eliminated or bearable side effects its up to all for taking.

i think mental issues from steroids are more common with newbs, once you get used to hormones you shouldn't have those issues.. tren isn't a good idea for newbs anyway

Supression with tren alone would be less than with them. I think id feel a tad more superman with some test in there though.

suppression is almost the same with any AAS. your LH goes to 0 after 2 weeks on AAS give or take.. shorter esters hit you harder and faster so you suppress faster but its all relative because long esters stick around longer.. guys confuse 'suppression' with low libido. they are not the same thing. suppression is when your HPTA goes to sleep and your LH goes to near 0.

Emotionally youre the same without test?

go back to my first point. if you are affected by steroids emotionally then i would hope you are new and just not used to the androgens. no excuse to let steroids run your life emotionally if you are a mature adult.

Steve said faster recovery with tren alone.
not necessarily.. but generally yes the less steroids you run and the shorter your cycle the faster your recovery. however this also comes down to other factors.. did you go into cycle not fully recovered? did you run a poor/too short pct?

Someone explain.
Thanks.
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Thanks. Now I need a pen, but dont worry i will fix that.

EDIT: ok, im on mobile. So it seemed to be alot more than it were. Thanks again, Steve.
I kinda knew it, but was curious on the tren recovery without test and eventual differs in mood when taken into account that your test levels hit rock bottom and while on cycle without that test at all at the end of cycle. Ive only done test 2 times. No mood changes but uppers. Sure theres downs also, but nothing emotional. You miss superman feeling and extra boost of you.

Agreed. Estrogen makes your moody or lack of it? Test has too of course, but im seeing it too dramatic i think.
 
smalljohn said:
Thanks. Now I need a pen, but dont worry i will fix that.

EDIT: ok, im on mobile. So it seemed to be alot more than it were. Thanks again, Steve.
I kinda knew it, but was curious on the tren recovery without test and eventual differs in mood when taken into account that your test levels hit rock bottom and while on cycle without that test at all at the end of cycle. Ive only done test 2 times. No mood changes but uppers. Sure theres downs also, but nothing emotional. You miss superman feeling and extra boost of you.

Agreed. Estrogen makes your moody or lack of it? Test has too of course, but im seeing it too dramatic i think.
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what i bolded is what some of you are still confused about.

again you are confusing the word 'testosterone' with what a bottle says. hormones are hormones. these are all male hormones derived from testosterone so your T levels on tren alone don't hit rock bottom.. they go up. you are injecting 5-10X what your body normally produces
 
Alright. So tren also RAISES test.
Thats a huge part i have missed on..

Hormones are hormones I know and human biologi is a big leap from just understandig how to cycle and or workout.
Its all for that edge. Gotta have it and I sure dont. No problem, bit im willing.

So deca raises test, alongside winstrol, halotestin etc.. Also raises test?
 
smalljohn said:
Alright. So tren also RAISES test.
Thats a huge part i have missed on..

Hormones are hormones I know and human biologi is a big leap from just understandig how to cycle and or workout.
Its all for that edge. Gotta have it and I sure dont. No problem, bit im willing.

So deca raises test, alongside winstrol, halotestin etc.. Also raises test?
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YES! hormones are hormones.

however not all aromatize and some aromatize more than others. so they are NOT the same.
 
That was actually my next question. That hit me hard, Steve. Thanks.
Still injecting these hormones of different structure behave differently in the body and have different properties..
Supression is always absolute.
Hormones raises test, regardless of what name you heard it was. hehehe.
 
Oh my ! No one is even talking about sust but if you want , testosterone is a hormone all the other things being discussed are steroids. There is a difference. I can appreciate all you guys backing each other up but again it foes not make what you are writing correct, again good health to all but please anybody entertained by this thread please research and research! DO NOT BELIEVE WHAT YOU READ ON ANY OF THESE FORUMS! You don't know these people and I can tell most don't have a clue to what they are telling you! Part truths don't make facts. Don't follow a bunch of computer keyboard heros who mainly want to sell you on their beliefs.
 
Iam half way through my tren only cycle and I feel great! Had tren cough couple of times and bad night sweats for 3 weeks but they have eased off, blood pressure spot on and training like a Trojan!
 
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Iam half way through my tren only cycle and I feel great! Had tren cough couple of times and bad night sweats for 3 weeks but they have eased off, blood pressure spot on and training like a Trojan!
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Blood pressure is what got to me while I was taking tren, but it was at a very high dosage. If I would have known then what I know now, I would have done a little test and a lot more tren.

I was just always taught and told that test needs to be the base of every cycle and in most cases (not all), the test needs to be the highest dose.

I believe I experienced the sides I experienced was not because the high tren dose, but because of the higher test dose.

But this is some awesome info on those post!

eat Clen, Tren hard, and Test the limits!!!
 
curls4girls said:
I was just always taught and told that test needs to be the base of every cycle and in most cases (not all), the test needs to be the highest dose.
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thats internet message board parroting at its finest. and then when you ask them to explain why they can never come up with anything.

some of the worst cycles I have ever seen are splattered on the internet.. like test, deca, dbol stack with no mention of an AI. great gains yeah if you want a bunch of water weight and lipid strain. that cycle is parroted all over the place as the best 'bulker' out there. and then those guys end up with bitch tits and wonder what the hell happened
 
Hormones are produced by your body tes, estrogen. Steroids are manufactured. Your body doesn't make tren, deca, ect. Hence they are steroids. Come on dude! I'm playing golf with my wife right now so I hope that you can understand. Man made/steroids. Made inside man hormones. External tes still a hormone but all others steroids.
 
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Hormones are produced by your body tes, estrogen. Steroids are manufactured. Your body doesn't make tren, deca, ect. Hence they are steroids. Come on dude! I'm playing golf with my wife right now so I hope that you can understand. Man made/steroids. Made inside man hormones. External tes still a hormone but all others steroids.
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so i guess if you inject 'steroids' and not hormones. since your body doesn't produce it as you claim, then it wouldn't suppress your HPTA right?

you do realize your post just proved your theory is wrong .. but lets say your theory is right then that actually proves that recovery is faster WITHOUT using test than not since the body will only recognize when you inject 'test'
 
All I said was what hormones are and what steroids are. Any thing you can discuss intelligently cool the rest please read and research more yourself before we can carry this any further. Your limited experience and knowledge are starting to show. Nothing I said disputes anything else I said. If you think so please reread posts ( or have someone read them to you so you can understand ). Again best of health to all and again please everyone research and don't follow advice from someone who you don't know.
 
Hell that includes me! But if you research, the truth will be shown the way at lighted and your cycle successful.
 
Tectime said:
All I said was what hormones are and what steroids are.
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And you were wrong, just like your fina/tren comments.

A hormone is a chemical messanger regardless of whether its naturally produced in the body or man made.

A steroid is a classification of a group of hormones.
 
stevesmi said:
i have ran tren many times both with test and without.

advantage with test is i was more hornier to the point where it was ruining my life and i was cheating on my gf cause she couldn't keep up with me.
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LMAO.. bro you be killing me sometimes..lol.

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Zyglamail said:
And you were wrong, just like your fina/tren comments.

A hormone is a chemical messanger regardless of whether its naturally produced in the body or man made.

A steroid is a classification of a group of hormones.
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And up pops another . Now you've went and shown you're not any smarter than your buddy. Dude ! Really
 
Steroids are hormone derived. You manipulate hormones to obtain different types of steroids ... but, essentially, almost all steroids are forms of hormones ... and mostly of the Testosterone hormone. Yes, Test is produced naturally in the human body and more so in male than female and therefore, when you introduce the majority of your steroids (which are hormone derived ... mainly Testosterone) and you do bloodwork, you'll notice your Test levels are HIGH ... BUUUUUUUUT ... your body's ability to produce Testosterone on its own will be nullified (here comes into play the LH, FSH and balancing the HTPA). Why? Because you are injecting steroids (which are hormones ... nothing else) into your body and IT then figures "Hey ... there is so much of this shit in here that I don't need to produce it anymore". If you push your body with adding high volumes of this hormone and the level becomes 'uncomfortable' for your body, it will try to counter the high levels of Test by producing more Estrogen and there starts the side effects ... and water retention ... and bloat ... and if high estrogen and then also prolactin ... say 'Hi' to gyno ... etc. Anywho, I veered off here. Essentially a steroid is hormone based ... there is no difference between a steroid and a hormone. Yes, your body produces 'hormones' naturally and these 'hormones' are synthetically reproduced and manipulated by humans in labs to become 'steroids' to be put into the body from 'outside' and there is the intended meaning in difference between hormones and steroids ... BUUUUUUUT ... a steroid is a hormone and nothing else.
 
Tectime said:
Sure you can run sust by itself. Like you said its tes. Tren is not a blend of tes. It's a chemical derived from fina which allows for better metabolism of food and nutrients. Agsin you can run anything alone if you want doesn't make it right of safe.
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Man you are seriously misinformed about the whole concept, and facts of human endocrinology.
Only thing that I can agree with you is doing a lot of research, and then doing it some more.
Could you maybe post a list of sources/references where you have gathered this wealth of misinformation that you poses, just so others will be able avoid them?

If Tren is derived from Fina, what's Fina made of/derived from?
If you answer correctly: Nandrolone (which will really contradict your previous "fact" that Tren is made from Fina) then what's Nandrolone derived from?
Answer? Yes, Testosterone, the one and only source where all AAS are derived from, and which is where this thing just keeps ending (and beginning from).

I know that many people have trouble understanding this concept at first, but I've never seen anyone before acting like you, just being stubborn for the sake of not being able to accept the fact that you are wrong. You are not even trying to wrap your head around this while arguing against facts of endocrinology with argument composed to complete oxymorons.

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Tectime said:
And up pops another . Now you've went and shown you're not any smarter than your buddy. Dude ! Really
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you've now insulted atleast 2 mods on here.

all because you are posting misinformation and are too stubborn to admit you were wrong.

bottom line is this and you cannot dispute it.. all AAS are derived from the male hormone testosterone. how you don't grasp this fact boggles the mind.
 
northernknight said:
I know that many people have trouble understanding this concept at first, but I've never seen anyone before acting like you, just being stubborn for the sake of not being able to accept the fact that you are wrong. You are not even trying to wrap your head around this while arguing against facts of endocrinology with argument composed to complete oxymorons.
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That about sums it up. I dont know weather to laugh or cry. If he is trolling, he is doing a great job at all the doubletalk and trying to convince us of his reality, which when you think about it, its rather comical.

On the other hand, if he really believes what he is spouting, then I cant help but feel sorry for the guy.
 
Hook, line and sinker! Now that you boys got your search engines running keep researching! Sometimes the best thing you can to is stir up the fire and spread the knowledge. Actually not misinformed! medical college education but if no one makes you question, you get lazy and people tend to follow, now that we got their attention ( stirring the strong mods) if you read real close you will see I told you all not to listen to any half truths whether I said them or anyone else did. I wonder how many went to looking to see if any of that "info" was right. By looking i wonder how many learned anything that maybe they didn't know. Many ways of educating. As I said before please don't listen to anything you read on these forums. Do your own research. I thought you had me at " I like cheese" ( baiting the trap) but we got a couple more pages out of it ! Hahaha ! Again please research and as always best of health!
 
Dude, for people to do their own research. Come on man. Read it again. EVERYONE DO YOUR OWN RESEARCH. Only point I'm trying to make. Not that hard to grasp. All kinds of misinformation out there. I posted a shit load of it in an attempt to stimulate some research and hopefully some will be more educated from the trip. The ride is now over! Please exit to your left and watch that first step.
 
Oh and dude NO OFFENSE TO ANYONE during this. I needed a couple of strong mods to make sure enough people would read. Tren treads are very popular and with a couple of knowledgable people to join in hopefully we have expanded the minds of those that read. Again best of health!
 
Lmao! Congrats bro, well played! :p
I had a distant memory about your posting style being something completely different from this ;)
Like I previously said what I agreed upon on your posts is exactly that people should research as much as possible :)

Personally I never get tired of learning new things, so I spend huge amount of my time studying and researching different things, which has led me to become addicted to learning new information, lol!

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northernknight said:
Lmao! Congrats bro, well played! :p
I had a distant memory about your posting style being something completely different from this ;)
Like I previously said what I agreed upon on your posts is exactly that people should research as much as possible :)

Personally I never get tired of learning new things, so I spend huge amount of my time studying and researching different things, which has led me to become addicted to learning new information, lol!

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Thanks man ! Just trying to keep the flow going. And right on about the more you can learn the better. None of us know enough about how our bodies work, some better than others, but following those that talk the loudest isn't always the best. Hahaha !
 
Learning is a lifelong journey! You stop learning or get to a position of feeling you know everything you can, you stop growing intellectually. You stop growing intellectually you miss out on all kinds of cool things going on around you. Just like we work our bodies hard we need to work our minds as well.
 
Waaaaaaaaaaaahahahahahaaa!!!!! You got me hook, line, sinker AND ROD! I was so frustrated at one (two?) points I felt like typing in ALL CAPS & all !!!!!!!'s ... Dude ...well played! The whole statement about the difference between hormones and steroids got me sniggling and gnarling and giggling and crying all in succession to and almost at the same time as one another! Dayum ... I'm bowled!
 
^^^^^ uhmmmmm ... Just to clarify ... No gutter thoughts on the ROD being swallowed by me part ... I'm as straight as they come! :confused:
 
Thanks man ! Yea the one about steroids/hormones I love. I was playing golf with the ol lady when I sent that, she busted up laughing! At first I didn't think I was going to get the response needed to lead into but it worked in well. Thanks again! I do hope that it was not just entertaining but eye opening also.
 
Well, you really got me thinking: "How can I explain this so this fool grasps it properly and see's the light?". I know I did my research, but the message came through clearly ... Any fool can combine some 'big' words and sound smart ... But IS he really? So always double check and challenge if you find something plausible stating the opposite.

I also think that any Noob reading this from beginning to end WILL have a better understanding of AAS.
 
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A light truly does shine! Very good ! Truly ! If we follow blindly into the darkness will we ever truly know the way?! You hit it exactly ! I again hope that this message hits those that might not be as intelligent as yourself. And that possibly we can open peoples minds to be thinkers and true leaders in this wonderful adventure we all are living. ( LIFE not just the aas thing)
 
Tectime said:
Oh and dude NO OFFENSE TO ANYONE during this. I needed a couple of strong mods to make sure enough people would read. Tren treads are very popular and with a couple of knowledgable people to join in hopefully we have expanded the minds of those that read. Again best of health!
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Meh. I don't buy it. You can't pretend to save face.
 
digit0x said:
Meh. I don't buy it. You can't pretend to save face.
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I can appreciate your opinion but I care nothing of "saving face" on an open forum where nobody really knows me ! Why would I ! What I do care about is people spouting nonsense all the time about something they know very little about. 90 % of the posts on any of these type if forums are just a bunch of sheeple following the last dumbass to say something that contains alittle truth and a bunch of what they have heard. ( does that sound like I'm trying to save face) just reread everyone's posts through the whole thread and not counting the half truths I posted, almost every post is full of half finished sentences ( because they only know about half of what they are talking about or they are to busy trying to impress a bunch of people they don't even know or sell you some bullshit supps.) does that sound like I'm trying to save face! I'm not on here to make friends I'm not on here to impress anyone that has no benefit to me! My experience and knowledge of hormones and steroids would boggle your mind if you only truly knew. My experience and knowledge as a fellow human does not allow me to overlook information that may be harmful or even wasteful. Again I wish the best of health to all.
 
Tectime said:
I can appreciate your opinion but I care nothing of "saving face" on an open forum where nobody really knows me ! Why would I ! What I do care about is people spouting nonsense all the time about something they know very little about. 90 % of the posts on any of these type if forums are just a bunch of sheeple following the last dumbass to say something that contains alittle truth and a bunch of what they have heard. ( does that sound like I'm trying to save face) just reread everyone's posts through the whole thread and not counting the half truths I posted, almost every post is full of half finished sentences ( because they only know about half of what they are talking about or they are to busy trying to impress a bunch of people they don't even know or sell you some bullshit supps.) does that sound like I'm trying to save face! I'm not on here to make friends I'm not on here to impress anyone that has no benefit to me! My experience and knowledge of hormones and steroids would boggle your mind if you only truly knew. My experience and knowledge as a fellow human does not allow me to overlook information that may be harmful or even wasteful. Again I wish the best of health to all.
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Then why not share your knowledge in a constructive efficient manner? You turned the thread into an obnoxious debacle. :coffee:
 
My thought exactly. As a fellow human and a bob bob law abiding citizen. I think your wasting your time bogling not with our minds, but understanding of how youd even bother. All you're saying is that you know better. Then get your act together. If you wanna open som thirds eyes or some shit like that, theres more suitable forums. Half truths or not. Hopefully people tell what they know.. And that is the truth. If not, they are maybe just tectime.
 
digit0x said:
Then why not share your knowledge in a constructive efficient manner? You turned the thread into an obnoxious debacle. :coffee:
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I will be glad to! Just let me know what it is you need to or would like to know that you can't find the answer to by researching for yourself. I don't know what :coffee: means ?
 
smalljohn said:
My thought exactly. As a fellow human and a bob bob law abiding citizen. I think your wasting your time bogling not with our minds, but understanding of how youd even bother. All you're saying is that you know better. Then get your act together. If you wanna open som thirds eyes or some shit like that, theres more suitable forums. Half truths or not. Hopefully people tell what they know.. And that is the truth. If not, they are maybe just tectime.
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Man I hope that wasn't your only thought for the day. Hate for you to only have one and it be wrong. I'm not trying to boggle your mind or any thing else. Just want you to be smart enough to research on your own. Why do I care? Hell you might do something in life that affects someone or something that I do care about. And as far as my act together .... Dude you don't know me you have no clue to how together I am. Please respond intelligently when you refer to me or don't respond at all.
 
Oh and I don't know what bob bob means either. If you let me know where I can research it..... I'll know then. Bob bob coffee hahaha!!!!
 
Lots of experience running tren alone. There's been at least one study done showing good potential for using tren instead of test for HRT. I posted the link in another thread before.
 
You're norwegian? Good, then you shouldve heard the terms before. It sounds a little dorky and in the relation to its sentence it should be understood. It being a little dorky, was the point. Here you are, on another hang up, huh? Tsk..
 
smalljohn said:
You're norwegian? Good, then you shouldve heard the terms before. It sounds a little dorky and in the relation to its sentence it should be understood. It being a little dorky, was the point. Here you are, on another hang up, huh? Tsk..
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I'm not Norwegian dude! I was just speaking to you in your native language. Hahaha!
 
I ran Tren alone for 8 weeks as one of the old timers told me Tes is a dirty steroid that was seldomly used during the Golden Era of Bodybuilding. So, here are the results. Insomnia reduced by 70to 80%. Night sweats down by 90%. Before I'd wake up 4 times a night drenched in sweat but now that happens once every 2 -3 weeks. No aggression, I'm already bald on top so can't comment on hair loss and those were the main side effects I had when running Tren and tes.

The only slightly negative side effect was my back got hairy but only nominally not enough for concern.

The real issue was Tren on its own is not (highly) effective I wasn't getting the strength or gains from previous cycles on tes and tren.

I added tes back into the mix, 400 of each a week and back came the aggression, the mood swings, one moment I was supercilious and the next all the world was against me.

I'm cutting now and looking not too shabby if I may so myself.

Oh, and yeah I always get Tren D1ck so my gf was happy
 
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