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Debaser said:
You do now...
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You do now...
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bigguns15 said:
My bodyweight went from about 152-190 or more in the first year of training. You are right, there is a difference between bodyweight and muscle...but I didn't gain much visible fat during that time...if any.
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Debaser, I think the important thing here is for you not to take this thread personally, just listen to what people are saying, and where they are coming from. Just think about if this situation was happening in your local gym. Would you go up to a 300lb + guy who had been working out since you where in junior school, tell him he was doing it all wrong, and not expect a reaction (whether what you are saying is correct or not)? You seem a good and intelligent guy with great potential in this field ahead, but with all due respect, you and others have kind of been asking for this. I respect you all, I just think this blinkered following of DC “type” training is a little narrow minded.
As I said in a post waaaaaay back in this thread, I believe DC works, period. I had a great 3 months of DC earlier this year and will go back to it in the future. Now, as part if a periodised, and what I believe is a rounded program I have switched to 5x5 for a change of pace, and guess what, it works too! As far as rate of growth, well I can’t determine any noticeable difference.
DC works, 5x5 works, hell HST, WSB, even the huge amounts of volume that Arnold did back in the day “works”. If we then want to talk about optimising growth, well there are just too many factors to take into account. CoolColJ posted a great article a couple of pages back that puts these forward.
Whilst your or anyone else’s training experience does not determine their knowledge level, you cannot use your 40lbs gain as evidence. To be honest, that is probably just as much a testament to your understanding of nutrition, and your consistency and enthusiasm as it is your training method. Give an underweight teen a couple of protein shakes a day and a set of dumbbells and he will put on some decent weight in a year.
Everything works for a while, but I find change to be the best catalyst for growth.
As I said in a post waaaaaay back in this thread, I believe DC works, period. I had a great 3 months of DC earlier this year and will go back to it in the future. Now, as part if a periodised, and what I believe is a rounded program I have switched to 5x5 for a change of pace, and guess what, it works too! As far as rate of growth, well I can’t determine any noticeable difference.
DC works, 5x5 works, hell HST, WSB, even the huge amounts of volume that Arnold did back in the day “works”. If we then want to talk about optimising growth, well there are just too many factors to take into account. CoolColJ posted a great article a couple of pages back that puts these forward.
Whilst your or anyone else’s training experience does not determine their knowledge level, you cannot use your 40lbs gain as evidence. To be honest, that is probably just as much a testament to your understanding of nutrition, and your consistency and enthusiasm as it is your training method. Give an underweight teen a couple of protein shakes a day and a set of dumbbells and he will put on some decent weight in a year.
Everything works for a while, but I find change to be the best catalyst for growth.
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Debaser said:
Just wanted to point out this quote...
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I only said DC because that's what he kept referring to. Not that that is an untrue statement, but you could have filled in HST as well (these are the 2 most well known frequency based programs)
So far ive seen people say (pointing to Debaser) everyone gains great in their first year of training. Really? Every new guy in your gym is 40lbs larger than they were last year? Please dont tell me that because thats utter bullshit! 99% of everyone in the gym looks close too if not the same as they did last year. You the new trainers reading this--are you 40lbs heavier than you were last year?
Secondly: if someone is going to say they have done similiar methods to mine in the past and its no big deal----you better as hell been doing low sets extremely heavy weights, rest pause, statics, frequency of training, extreme stretching and eating twice your bodyweight (at least) in protein grams. Otherwise you did your own thing.
Thirdly--Ive seen two people now say "proof is in the pudding"--well I dont like using myself as example--Im more proud of changing others but Ive never seen anyone pro or otherwise put on 164lbs since their starting weight (with mediocre genetics at best) and another thing the people on this board might want to get is an ego/reality check--because I'm training god damn monsters who completely dwarf almost everyone on this whole board. I have a guy 6'5 320 who has been up as high as 390 training for strongman --another 6'3 335 and another 6'3 308 very lean and all these guys are heading northward. Besides that I have some shorter competitors that are now at or approaching that bigtime 4lbs per inch of height mark. You tell me anyone else out there that is consistently putting 35-60lbs on people (their first year with me) and Ill be the first to give them respect. But the bottom line is this--this is exactly what I want. I want "them" and I want "me"--a distinct difference between us two. And Im going to make a slew of people EAT CROW in the not too distant future. Im the one that sees the emails I get--Im the one who hears all the feedback. Im helping about 8 or so national competitors (all lightheavies up to superheavies) get up to an extreme size in their quest to win their classes nationally. So here you go-- call me on it--CALL ME THE HELL OUT--Im telling you right now--as these guys are winning and telling people how they train this is going to snowball into something that becomes the norm to do in bodybuilding. So when you see so and so who got his pro card and the way he trains and see my methods there--you better as hell stay with your way of training because if I see you on these boards saying you have switched over to DC after bashing me so handedly previously--Im going to call you out in capital letters and remind you of it on any thread you post on. I told people in the beginning what I was doing with local people--I told them what it would do if they did it the way I designed it--theres been so many people who gained 30plus lbs now on that cycles for pennies thread that Ive lost total count--and now Im telling you this and you can CALL ME ON IT in the future. Theres a huge movement of people doing my methods now--and as they continue and start winning big shows--this training is going to become more and more common. You have never seen me come on here and bash 5x5 WSB HST or any other methods---NEVER. Why? Because I believe where there is progression there is gains and I believe any of those methods will work. Im more partial to HST and my methods as I believe the progression is faster.
But as I was saying my promise to you is--Ill remember the screen names who bellowed so profoundly against this and I will have great joy blasting someone in a year or two if I see them doing anything similiar to my methods------------------------------------latinus_spicticus please dont forget what you posted on this thread and I wont forget what Ive just posted and we will see who looks like an idiot and eats crow.
Secondly: if someone is going to say they have done similiar methods to mine in the past and its no big deal----you better as hell been doing low sets extremely heavy weights, rest pause, statics, frequency of training, extreme stretching and eating twice your bodyweight (at least) in protein grams. Otherwise you did your own thing.
Thirdly--Ive seen two people now say "proof is in the pudding"--well I dont like using myself as example--Im more proud of changing others but Ive never seen anyone pro or otherwise put on 164lbs since their starting weight (with mediocre genetics at best) and another thing the people on this board might want to get is an ego/reality check--because I'm training god damn monsters who completely dwarf almost everyone on this whole board. I have a guy 6'5 320 who has been up as high as 390 training for strongman --another 6'3 335 and another 6'3 308 very lean and all these guys are heading northward. Besides that I have some shorter competitors that are now at or approaching that bigtime 4lbs per inch of height mark. You tell me anyone else out there that is consistently putting 35-60lbs on people (their first year with me) and Ill be the first to give them respect. But the bottom line is this--this is exactly what I want. I want "them" and I want "me"--a distinct difference between us two. And Im going to make a slew of people EAT CROW in the not too distant future. Im the one that sees the emails I get--Im the one who hears all the feedback. Im helping about 8 or so national competitors (all lightheavies up to superheavies) get up to an extreme size in their quest to win their classes nationally. So here you go-- call me on it--CALL ME THE HELL OUT--Im telling you right now--as these guys are winning and telling people how they train this is going to snowball into something that becomes the norm to do in bodybuilding. So when you see so and so who got his pro card and the way he trains and see my methods there--you better as hell stay with your way of training because if I see you on these boards saying you have switched over to DC after bashing me so handedly previously--Im going to call you out in capital letters and remind you of it on any thread you post on. I told people in the beginning what I was doing with local people--I told them what it would do if they did it the way I designed it--theres been so many people who gained 30plus lbs now on that cycles for pennies thread that Ive lost total count--and now Im telling you this and you can CALL ME ON IT in the future. Theres a huge movement of people doing my methods now--and as they continue and start winning big shows--this training is going to become more and more common. You have never seen me come on here and bash 5x5 WSB HST or any other methods---NEVER. Why? Because I believe where there is progression there is gains and I believe any of those methods will work. Im more partial to HST and my methods as I believe the progression is faster.
But as I was saying my promise to you is--Ill remember the screen names who bellowed so profoundly against this and I will have great joy blasting someone in a year or two if I see them doing anything similiar to my methods------------------------------------latinus_spicticus please dont forget what you posted on this thread and I wont forget what Ive just posted and we will see who looks like an idiot and eats crow.
Debaser, you can think I'm a jackass all you want, but I wager you wont find many in this forum that would agree. I spend my time in this forum trying to help others, and I never force anything on anyone else. I had ne preconceived notions before I read this thread. I've seen the difference in your posts from months ago to now. But in this thread I got the definite impression you were trashing other approaches, and as B pointed out, you did make the statement that DC is the fastest way to grow. Thats my problem with this thread, as the only evidence you have to that is anecdotal.
I didnt provide details on the routines I;ve tried as I didnt feel it necessary. Do you have any idea the amount of material you can read on this subject when you follow it religiously for over a decade? In all those years, I have tried it all, and I know what was effective. And like I said, the DC style approach was effective, but I didnt find it anymore so than other routines that I have done
I didnt provide details on the routines I;ve tried as I didnt feel it necessary. Do you have any idea the amount of material you can read on this subject when you follow it religiously for over a decade? In all those years, I have tried it all, and I know what was effective. And like I said, the DC style approach was effective, but I didnt find it anymore so than other routines that I have done
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B, Needsize, CoolColJ, CasulaBB, and Latinus are correct.
I am one who has gained 40 pounds in his first year. I did it on periodized "volume" work, not any DC or HIT variant.
Fit the program to the the person, not the person to the program.
I am one who has gained 40 pounds in his first year. I did it on periodized "volume" work, not any DC or HIT variant.
Fit the program to the the person, not the person to the program.
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