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Tiervexx
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pwr_machine said:
keep in mind that i did not do any hard phisical activaty before that. I did not play any sports apart from tennis and golf(quit both of them, never liked em')
compared to my old life style lifting weights with intensaty was such a huge shock that my body had to grow like fucking crazy.
I have a conspiracy theory. When you boil down to it, who's really responsible for pushing the once a week frequency? Muscle magazines. But they only really started doing it during the '80s. You had a few big big name BB's (Tom Platz) throwing in behind this ultra-intensity high volume, once-a-week stuff. Coincidentally, that's when the supplement industry started becoming really big.
So basically that was the introductory period to the current state of bodybuilding: the masses accepting advice from steroided pro's for the purpose of selling supplements.
That's all well and good, but then realize this: from a business perspective, supplement companies DON'T WANT PEOPLE TO GROW. The sooner you reach your body goals is the sooner you STOP buying their mass gain supplements. Protein, creatine, prohormones, mass gainer powders, all of which are intended for adding LBM, probably comprise the vast majority of supplement sales.
So my personal theory is that whoever runs these magazines knows that their plans don't work all that well, but they do it intentionally to perpetuate supplement sales. It's the only way I can rationalize the vast dissemination of misinformation.
So basically that was the introductory period to the current state of bodybuilding: the masses accepting advice from steroided pro's for the purpose of selling supplements.
That's all well and good, but then realize this: from a business perspective, supplement companies DON'T WANT PEOPLE TO GROW. The sooner you reach your body goals is the sooner you STOP buying their mass gain supplements. Protein, creatine, prohormones, mass gainer powders, all of which are intended for adding LBM, probably comprise the vast majority of supplement sales.
So my personal theory is that whoever runs these magazines knows that their plans don't work all that well, but they do it intentionally to perpetuate supplement sales. It's the only way I can rationalize the vast dissemination of misinformation.
Mike_Rojas
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Interesting theory, casual 
I used to train each body part once a week, but I have grown faster training each part twice. Of course there's other mitigating factors such as diet and sleep to consider.
The muscle magazines routines have changed over the years... whole body 3 times a week, split routine each body part 3 times a week, split routine each body part 2 times a week, 3 on 1 off, 4 on 1 off, 2 on 1 off, each body part once a week, etc. The heavy duty stuff even had you working out once every 10 days or so.
I gave up reading the magazines a few years ago, except for laughs when I'm in the book store. I sometimes wonder if their goal is to confuse newbies
I used to train each body part once a week, but I have grown faster training each part twice. Of course there's other mitigating factors such as diet and sleep to consider.
The muscle magazines routines have changed over the years... whole body 3 times a week, split routine each body part 3 times a week, split routine each body part 2 times a week, 3 on 1 off, 4 on 1 off, 2 on 1 off, each body part once a week, etc. The heavy duty stuff even had you working out once every 10 days or so.
I gave up reading the magazines a few years ago, except for laughs when I'm in the book store. I sometimes wonder if their goal is to confuse newbies
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Debaser
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Casual I've preached that for quite awhile
blowdpanis
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hmm
i think it's somewhat obvious that more frequent training, up to a point, yields more potential hypertrophy. i halfway agree with the conspiracy theory you've presented, too.
the assumption that people keep making in all of this is that the balance of intensity/volume/frequency is individual because of their concept of overtraining. if you realize that muscular hypertrophy can proceed unhampered regardless of being frequently loaded (see studies haycock has presented), we could come to a pretty fast/obvious conclusion that training more frequently is probably 'the way to go.' note: research comparing volume vs. frequency, cellular processes related to hypertrophy in the context of frequent load, and the 1 vs. many sets debate.
i think how quickly u gain strength is also part of the equation of 'how fast' you reach your genetic ceiling, but in the context of any short run scenario for growth, it's almost blindingly obvious that more frequent = more rapid hypertrophy.
i think it's somewhat obvious that more frequent training, up to a point, yields more potential hypertrophy. i halfway agree with the conspiracy theory you've presented, too.
the assumption that people keep making in all of this is that the balance of intensity/volume/frequency is individual because of their concept of overtraining. if you realize that muscular hypertrophy can proceed unhampered regardless of being frequently loaded (see studies haycock has presented), we could come to a pretty fast/obvious conclusion that training more frequently is probably 'the way to go.' note: research comparing volume vs. frequency, cellular processes related to hypertrophy in the context of frequent load, and the 1 vs. many sets debate.
i think how quickly u gain strength is also part of the equation of 'how fast' you reach your genetic ceiling, but in the context of any short run scenario for growth, it's almost blindingly obvious that more frequent = more rapid hypertrophy.
PancakeFiend
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perhaps train more frequently when bulking, and training only each bodypart once a week when dieting is a good way to go.
blowdpanis -- you're absolutely right. What I might add to that (and this may seem like old news but it's worth repeating) is that the dual-factor theory is the correct one. We shouldn't be looking at fatigue from a workout-to-workout basis, but rather over the course of a training cycle lasting some weeks.
That being said, pretty much every frequency program has a built-in recovery period to dissipate the accumulated fatigue from prior frequent trainings. Those "recovery" or "deloading periods" or "strategic deconditioning" may seem like a waste of time but they serve to allow the frequent trainings that accelerate growth.
That being said, pretty much every frequency program has a built-in recovery period to dissipate the accumulated fatigue from prior frequent trainings. Those "recovery" or "deloading periods" or "strategic deconditioning" may seem like a waste of time but they serve to allow the frequent trainings that accelerate growth.
blowdpanis
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a dumb thought
this might sound incredibly stupid, and i hope no one who knows anything about physics actually corrects me but...
the hst/dc style strike me as the 'phaser' of 'lasers.' the principle of the phaser is that short bursts of laser accumulate more effect than a continuous, steady beam of a laser. it's horribly nerdy, but this is precisely the reason star trek uses 'phasers' (phased lasers) in the future, ie efficacy.
to me, it makes sense to go through intense 'bursts' of hypertrophy seperated by strategic deconditioning (i think this is optimal) or 'cruising' (somewhat less optimal in my mind) if you're talking about a hypertrophy scenario. also adding to the confusion of accumulation of long term strength is the association of hypertrophy and strength (via cross-sectional area). ie, if you do grow rapidly in the short term, this growth will itself facilitate strength, which in turn might allow u (via heavier loads) to facilitate growth. it IS possible that the 'optimal' routine is actually KIND of a strength routine in disguise. if you follow my logic.
also, where's the love on the powertec leg press thread? i would actually like input on that
this might sound incredibly stupid, and i hope no one who knows anything about physics actually corrects me but...
the hst/dc style strike me as the 'phaser' of 'lasers.' the principle of the phaser is that short bursts of laser accumulate more effect than a continuous, steady beam of a laser. it's horribly nerdy, but this is precisely the reason star trek uses 'phasers' (phased lasers) in the future, ie efficacy.
to me, it makes sense to go through intense 'bursts' of hypertrophy seperated by strategic deconditioning (i think this is optimal) or 'cruising' (somewhat less optimal in my mind) if you're talking about a hypertrophy scenario. also adding to the confusion of accumulation of long term strength is the association of hypertrophy and strength (via cross-sectional area). ie, if you do grow rapidly in the short term, this growth will itself facilitate strength, which in turn might allow u (via heavier loads) to facilitate growth. it IS possible that the 'optimal' routine is actually KIND of a strength routine in disguise. if you follow my logic.
also, where's the love on the powertec leg press thread? i would actually like input on that
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