Once a week frequency? Why?

[DOGGCRAPP]

Needsize:: DC, you need to mellow the fuck out. I dont recall anyone in this thread "calling you out". It looks to me like anything negative that we've thrown in that direction, was at the way debaser came across, not the system itself. I know myself I've said a few times in this thread alone, that the DC method of training is obviously very effective. But you guys seem to fly right off the handle when someone doesnt agree that it is the best one. I've seen guys turn into monsters on all kinds of training approaches, so I dont see how anyone can say that any one system is the absolute best one....

Doggcrapp:: and I have nothing but respect for your opinions Needsize ---but where have you seen me say DC is the end all of training? If you were in my shoes and posted your methods of NS training and after the 400th guy or so has posted that he has gained 35lbs of muscle with your methods yet you still hear people say "NS sucks--it doesnt work--it wont work long--the only reason it works is because....etc etc etc" --wouldnt you get a little tired of it and tell people "check the scoreboard"--because thats what Im doing.

Needsize::Why is it that everyone who supports this style of training is so sensitive and flies off the handle so easily? Christ, I've got a training system up in the sticky on this page too, do I care if someone trashes it. Not in the least, why, because there are pro's and cons to every system, not every system works that great for everyone, and myself I use many approaches, not just the one I posted about

Doggcrapp:: and again I respect that and thats why you so rarely see me talking about other methods. Even if I totally disagree with them, I leave them alone and say nothing. Why because I think its much better to create something or make something better than try to make yourself look good by ripping someone else. So let me clarify
a) I dont think my methods are the end all-but I know that IM pretty damn good at putting alot of muscle on people very fast----in fact if I see something that is working incredibly well for people and it is someone elses idea in this bodybuilding genre--I will be the first to credit that person and I would add it to my program. Im doing that right now with something Big Kiwi does at professional muscle--I thought a variation of it might work well and anyone I suggest it to I say--this is big kiwis not mine. Im not set in stone--but people on this board throwing bombs at my methods cant take the fact that I come on here and argue against their opinions. Is that wrong? I dont know. Maybe it is and I should take others advice and just shut up and do my thing. I got a bunch of emails saying "get the hell off of elite why the heck are you posting there--its a bunch of newbies, holier than thou's and 12 years training but weighing 180lbs know-it- alls.
Ive seen you say DC works and its noted--but this is the only board i scan thru online where people to this day--almost 2 years later say derogatory things. I dont even count the Hardcore Muscle newsletter I wrote in the early 90's and the local people I trained all thru the 90's ---Well if it didnt work it would of fizzled out long ago. I honestly dont understand this shit. I dont go to my gym and preach my methods on anyone--I do my thing and if someone asks me what I do, I tell them. Ive been training at the same two big gyms for the last 2 years--in that time I can pick a handfull of people (out of about a thousand) who have actually improved in that time. After 15 years of training Im still gaining 10plus lbs a year. I dont care what kind of training someone does--thats their choice---I dont care if only one person on this earth trains this way (ME) --but its very hard for me to sit back and read someone bashing my methods when all those pics are out there--all these people are saying it's changed them dramatically--and Im getting people up 35lbs plus consistently over and over. I was kind of hoping DC fizzled out over here thats why I rarely post over here--I want it to die out over time, cuz Im sick of the arguing (and this is the only board that happens at)

 

[IronLion]

DC you win.....I have better things to do......youre threads are always so useful, thanks....

 

[bilat]

Yes, that's what I ment. He will make great gains even if he squated and benched every day at high volume.

I just started my friend in working out, and he doesn't listen to me. He goes in the gym a few times a day and does whatever he wants. He grows like a weed.

-sk

I think not following a concrete template and doing what your body feels is a good thing.....

 

[Tiervexx]

Um, I didn't know it was physically possible to put on 40 lbs of muscle in a year... for anyone.

my first year of training i put on 50 lbs and if anything my body fat went down. since then my gains have slowed but that is what happend.

 

[Mike_Rojas]

Certain members just come on this board to argue.

 

[bigguns15]

my first year of training i put on 50 lbs and if anything my body fat went down. since then my gains have slowed but that is what happend.

*sigh*

Yes, you can add that much weight in a year. However, it is not LBM alone. The leaner look is due to more mass for it to be distributed over. You still gain fat.

I just thought it was impossible to add strictly that much muscle mass in a year. That is over 1.5 pounds of pure muscle every 2 weeks.

 

[needsize]

DC, too be honest I havent seen you post all that much, so much of what I said was directed at your supporters. Like I said, I have no doubt whatsoever that your approach works and works well. I just dont like having stuff shoved down my throat, which is what some people on this board tend to do(although there has been some mellowing out over time). It honestly is a shame that these threads degenerate into this sort of flaming, as there certainly are a lot of merits to comparing the different systems.

I am always looking for new ways to add muscle, as its looking like you physique is looking pretty much tapped out, which is why I've tried every system I could find over the years. After this contest is over, I might give your approach, exactly the one you advocate, a try, to see what happens. I'm one of those people that does have a hard time wrapping their head around so few work sets, but I'm willing to try anything that might add more muscle to my frame

 

[Tiervexx]

*sigh*

Yes, you can add that much weight in a year. However, it is not LBM alone. The leaner look is due to more mass for it to be distributed over. You still gain fat.

I just thought it was impossible to add strictly that much muscle mass in a year. That is over 1.5 pounds of pure muscle every 2 weeks.

my waist also stayed the same, i might have gained a little fat but it is safe to say that the vast majority of that weight was muscle.

You said that it was not possible to add 40 lbs of muscle, i am simply saying that i did at least that so it is possible. of course i only was able to do that because i was starting from scratch.

 

[pwr_machine]

You said that it was not possible to add 40 lbs of muscle, i am simply saying that i did at least that so it is possible. of course i only was able to do that because i was starting from scratch.

Over 40 pounds of lean body mass in one year? You should contact Guinness. That has to be a first. You're a genetic freak!

 

[Debaser]

What happend to this thread? At first I thought it was all about questioning frequency? Then it turned into a high vs. low volume war, and now it seems to be a DC debate?

I was wondering what happened to. We were all having a good discussion, latinus comes in stirring up shit, then Needsize comes in out of nowhere telling me I flame and try to convert everyone. Go figure, I was confused as hell. If latinus never posted, then this thread would still be a healthy discussion.

Ironlion with all due respect, I'm sure you know a great deal about athletic performance. But who said anything about that? This was a thread about taking advantage of frequency to grow muscle faster.

It would be nice to have an actual discussion on frequency now. I think I covered most of what I wanted to say in my original post, so if anyone wants to discuss a specific point, we could spark some debate.