Once a week frequency? Why?

[sk*]

So far ive seen people say (pointing to Debaser) everyone gains great in their first year of training. Really? Every new guy in your gym is 40lbs larger than they were last year? Please dont tell me that because thats utter bullshit! 99% of everyone in the gym looks close too if not the same as they did last year. You the new trainers reading this--are you 40lbs heavier than you were last year?

Not taking anything away from you, but most guys in the gym I go to eat candy and only do curls.

Gaining 40lbs for the newcomer is nothing extraordinary if they follow a set routine that is on the sticky of this forum.

-sk

 

[IronLion]

So far ive seen people say (pointing to Debaser) everyone gains great in their first year of training. Really? Every new guy in your gym is 40lbs larger than they were last year? Please dont tell me that because thats utter bullshit! 99% of everyone in the gym looks close too if not the same as they did last year. You the new trainers reading this--are you 40lbs heavier than you were last year?

Secondly: if someone is going to say they have done similiar methods to mine in the past and its no big deal----you better as hell been doing low sets extremely heavy weights, rest pause, statics, frequency of training, extreme stretching and eating twice your bodyweight (at least) in protein grams. Otherwise you did your own thing.

Thirdly--Ive seen two people now say "proof is in the pudding"--well I dont like using myself as example--Im more proud of changing others but Ive never seen anyone pro or otherwise put on 164lbs since their starting weight (with mediocre genetics at best) and another thing the people on this board might want to get is an ego/reality check--because I'm training god damn monsters who completely dwarf almost everyone on this whole board. I have a guy 6'5 320 who has been up as high as 390 training for strongman --another 6'3 335 and another 6'3 308 very lean and all these guys are heading northward. Besides that I have some shorter competitors that are now at or approaching that bigtime 4lbs per inch of height mark. You tell me anyone else out there that is consistently putting 35-60lbs on people (their first year with me) and Ill be the first to give them respect. But the bottom line is this--this is exactly what I want. I want "them" and I want "me"--a distinct difference between us two. And Im going to make a slew of people EAT CROW in the not too distant future. Im the one that sees the emails I get--Im the one who hears all the feedback. Im helping about 8 or so national competitors (all lightheavies up to superheavies) get up to an extreme size in their quest to win their classes nationally. So here you go-- call me on it--CALL ME THE HELL OUT--Im telling you right now--as these guys are winning and telling people how they train this is going to snowball into something that becomes the norm to do in bodybuilding. So when you see so and so who got his pro card and the way he trains and see my methods there--you better as hell stay with your way of training because if I see you on these boards saying you have switched over to DC after bashing me so handedly previously--Im going to call you out in capital letters and remind you of it on any thread you post on. I told people in the beginning what I was doing with local people--I told them what it would do if they did it the way I designed it--theres been so many people who gained 30plus lbs now on that cycles for pennies thread that Ive lost total count--and now Im telling you this and you can CALL ME ON IT in the future. Theres a huge movement of people doing my methods now--and as they continue and start winning big shows--this training is going to become more and more common. You have never seen me come on here and bash 5x5 WSB HST or any other methods---NEVER. Why? Because I believe where there is progression there is gains and I believe any of those methods will work. Im more partial to HST and my methods as I believe the progression is faster.
But as I was saying my promise to you is--Ill remember the screen names who bellowed so profoundly against this and I will have great joy blasting someone in a year or two if I see them doing anything similiar to my methods------------------------------------latinus_spicticus please dont forget what you posted on this thread and I wont forget what Ive just posted and we will see who looks like an idiot and eats crow.

I have always agreed with all the "DC" training ideas, in fact when someone asks me what the best bb routine is I point them to your thread because it works great for hypertrophy.

That being said, there is so much more to a performance based program. It just gets old listening to you people act like what you are doing is the end all to training. Lets be honest, growing big muscles is the easy part, the hard part is making those muscles useful. Does your program focus on power, balance, muscle endurance, or anything else that an athlete needs? NO

It is not the program it is your attitude, I am calling you out on that. If you don't want to be respectful then don't post and that goes for Debasser too.


If you don't like it I would love to meet in person to discuss this further

 

[needsize]

DC, you need to mellow the fuck out. I dont recall anyone in this thread "calling you out". It looks to me like anything negative that we've thrown in that direction, was at the way debaser came across, not the system itself. I know myself I've said a few times in this thread alone, that the DC method of training is obviously very effective. But you guys seem to fly right off the handle when someone doesnt agree that it is the best one. I've seen guys turn into monsters on all kinds of training approaches, so I dont see how anyone can say that any one system is the absolute best one....

Why is it that everyone who supports this style of training is so sensitive and flies off the handle so easily? Christ, I've got a training system up in the sticky on this page too, do I care if someone trashes it. Not in the least, why, because there are pro's and cons to every system, not every system works that great for everyone, and myself I use many approaches, not just the one I posted about

 

[pwr_machine]

Did somebody CALL?

 

[BlkWS6]

What happend to this thread? At first I thought it was all about questioning frequency? Then it turned into a high vs. low volume war, and now it seems to be a DC debate? Could we possibly get back to the frequency cause I wouldnt mind hearing more about it. I have followed once a week training methods for a long time and had a great deal of success with them (5x5) but now Im trying something a little bit different and I like it a lot so far. If my memory serves me right arent a lot of training methods on this board in fact higher frequency methods?

WSB: De and Me days (and when I used to read over at elitefitness.com I would read stuff posted that said some WSB guys would train back many, many times in a week).

DFHT: 2x a week frequency I believe.

DC: 2x a week.

HST: 3x a week.

So I would imagine it would be hard to deny the effectiveness of frequency since many great programs incorporate it. However, I had great success on 5x5 and I was hitting everything once a week.

 

[pwr_machine]

Thanks for making an effort to get back to the original post. I was getting quite bored with the pissing contest.

 

[DOGGCRAPP]

IronLion::That being said, there is so much more to a performance based program. It just gets old listening to you people act like what you are doing is the end all to training. Lets be honest, growing big muscles is the easy part, the hard part is making those muscles useful. Does your program focus on power, balance, muscle endurance, or anything else that an athlete needs? NO

Doggcrapp:: My regimen is pure and simple----bodybuilding (was that hard to figure out?)

IronLion::It is not the program it is your attitude, I am calling you out on that. If you don't want to be respectful then don't post and that goes for Debasser too.

Doggcrapp:: I hear this every freaking time--Did you go back and read this thread? Do you see me on it saying DC is the end all of training?!?!?! My attitude???? What I saw were some people on this thread bashing my methods and I came on here and said you better check the scoreboard because--my trainees are dwarfing everyone here and thats the truth (OR PROOF IN THE PUDDING) as many people have been asking for.

IronLion::If you don't like it I would love to meet in person to discuss this further

Doggcrapp:: LOL Is that a threat? Oh great another guy who is as tough as his 21.95 internet access allows him to be. I train in Escondido CA at the sport club-at 6pm--look around for the second largest guy in the club because Nassir's been training there lately. I guess your whole true reason for posting was to look like the true American Badass. Dont use me to try to make yourself look hard.

 

[pwr_machine]

Here we go again.

 

[revexrevex]

You're all banned. Get out.

 

[bigguns15]

Is it just me, or are some people around here really full of themselves?

No matter how big or strong you get, there will always be someone bigger and stronger than you. Maybe we should all try a little humility.

I am very appreciative of all the scientific training knowledge floating around this board. I have gotten some very useful information and am planning to use it in my training. What I don't find helpful at all is the bickering back and forth about whose got bigger muscles and who's training program is better.