I was talking with JP about this and now reading this thread, I am thinking this could be an ultimate shredder... just tossing this idea around but what about a katana/SARM stack... im talking f'ing hardcore strength, leaness and muscle hardness... katana/osta/s4... 6-8 weeks, run the katana all the way up to 400 or 450... run need2slin, hcgenerate alongside and if its me, im kicking forma in about mid way, say week 4 or 5 and run it through pct... f'ing shredder right here...