Hey guys - some basic questions

[Nathan]

Thanks guys! You guys are the best. I agree completely with the alcohol comment. COMPLETELY. Fucking give it up or forget it. If you won't give up alcohol, you aren't into it. That's how I've always felt. You don't want to be fit bad enough, and won't get there. I have yet to meet anyone to prove me wrong either.

Vix - Thanks. I suppose I'll find out but I won't lie - that was a big part of why I was attracted to her in the first place. I don't think I can be with someone who isn't into this stuff. I'm not getting fat.

I love you guys.

 

[Gymgurl]

My RMR is 1800 but I weigh alot more then she does.....I think your base range is good.....BUT diet is 90% of the results she wants....well at least I think so

 

[Nathan]

My RMR is 1800 but I weigh alot more then she does.....I think your base range is good.....BUT diet is 90% of the results she wants....well at least I think so

I agree. Diet is the whole damn thing. She knows that and is pretty good at it, she just needs to jump it up to the next level.

It sounds like I'm more or less on the same page as you guys. Sweet. I really hope she does this. It's going to be a big mozzaball hanging out there if she doesn't. Is it bad that I would find myself very unattracted if she completely half-assed this? We've been dating for about 4 months and everything else is great, apart from the fact that I'm a total fitness Nazi and worry about shoving my expectations on other people. I swear to god I can never figure this out. I try to keep my mouth shut about it but that doesn't work either since she knows when somethng is on my mind.

 

[vixensghost]

I agree. Diet is the whole damn thing. She knows that and is pretty good at it, she just needs to jump it up to the next level.

It sounds like I'm more or less on the same page as you guys. Sweet. I really hope she does this. It's going to be a big mozzaball hanging out there if she doesn't. Is it bad that I would find myself very unattracted if she completely half-assed this? We've been dating for about 4 months and everything else is great, apart from the fact that I'm a total fitness Nazi and worry about shoving my expectations on other people. I swear to god I can never figure this out. I try to keep my mouth shut about it but that doesn't work either since she knows when somethng is on my mind.

She won't 1/2 ass it, Nathan.IF she does, then you gotta be there to help her. Hell, I think everyone half assed it at some point until we got it down to a science. Right? I had NO CLUE about lifting until I had help from those who were beyond the 1/2 assing stage. Smell what I'm cooking? lol

However, you gotta cut her some slack if she has an "off" day once in awhile too. If you get all judgemental with her, which I do not see happening, she'll resent your efforts, and perhaps, even you. A lil bit of encouragment is gonna take the both to a better place!

You're a genuis for God sake, I'm not telling you anything you don't already know!

LOL...Recall how I got my hubby back to the gym? He's doing VERY well,AND has lost close to 20 lbs! Yippy, those jeans are fitting him again.

 

[Nathan]

She won't 1/2 ass it, Nathan.IF she does, then you gotta be there to help her. Hell, I think everyone half assed it at some point until we got it down to a science. Right? I had NO CLUE about lifting until I had help from those who were beyond the 1/2 assing stage. Smell what I'm cooking? lol

However, you gotta cut her some slack if she has an "off" day once in awhile too. If you get all judgemental with her, which I do not see happening, she'll resent your efforts, and perhaps, even you. A lil bit of encouragment is gonna take the both to a better place!

You're a genuis for God sake, I'm not telling you anything you don't already know!

LOL...Recall how I got my hubby back to the gym? He's doing VERY well,AND has lost close to 20 lbs! Yippy, those jeans are fitting him again.

Yay. I love you vix. You made me feel a lot better. I find it hard not to let my own weirdness and self-scrutinizing shift to others - she's pretty cool and really doesn't give much of a shit though which is great. Obviously it'll screw me over though and I get quiet when I'm thinking things I don't think I should say cause people will think I'm being a hard-ass or a dick. She hates it when I get quiet but I'm gonna work on that.

And you, my dear, are the genius. If you can appease me/make me feel better about something, it automatically follows that you are killer when it comes to problem solving and dealing with people.

Thanks again ladies. I know it's a pain in the ass to sit down and write this shit out for people who won't listen anyways, but I've already learned a lot from you guys. I will be certain to remind her someone spent the time to help her out and she's not at all the type to shit on that so I'm guessing she sticks to it.

 

[cindylou]

I dont agree on the whole booze thing - I think everyone is different.

She is 20 ish. Its normal to want to drink on the weekends.

You can find room to tweak the diet to make up for a couple of weekend drinks.

Just my opinion - from a girl who wanted to look her best but not give up on life.

No binge drinking!!

 

[superqt4u2nv]

What is her body fat at?

IMO norhing wrong with the lifting routine you put together a girl can lift weights the same way a guy would. With good form taught I see nothing wrong with good mornings or military press at all.

P.S. I will slap you if you use the word tone again god I hate that word she wants muscle not tone.

 

[Nathan]

What is her body fat at?

IMO norhing wrong with the lifting routine you put together a girl can lift weights the same way a guy would. With good form taught I see nothing wrong with good mornings or military press at all.

P.S. I will slap you if you use the word tone again god I hate that word she wants muscle not tone.

Sorry guys. I agree about the drinking but really, it def slows things down. I think if she can manage to get only a buzz on once in a while she should be fine, provided everything else is where it should be. If she wants to get REAL lean she'll have to drop it obviously.

I don't know her bf but it isn't high. Not ready for a bodybuilding comp certainly but I can't tell with women as easily - she puts every bit of it on her bum so I can't for the life of me tell. II know for dudes having striations in your glutes means you've got to be around the 6% mark. She gets all self-conscious her bum doesn't feel like mine. I'm like dude, if your bum were like mine you'd be a man and I wouldn't touch you.

Thanks again guys!

 

[Bikini Mod]

Sorry, but if someone can't give up alcohol for 30 days (not saying FOREVER - just 30 days. I dont care how old you are, that is not an excuse. I can count on one hand how many times I consumed alcohol from before I got pregnant with my first at age 24 to the time I was done competing at age 36 or so). Do I drink now? HELL YES... but when I realize I am carrying a little extra bodyfat - THAT IS THE FIRST THING TO GO. Otherwise, I STFU pour myself a glass of wine and remain *fat and happy*

Alcohol is a diuretic and it interferes with nutrient absorption, not to mentiont TOTALLY empty calories and it makes you sluggish - period.

I have been doing this a long ass time (not to mentioned trained others for over 2 years) so sorry, nothing anyone will say that will change my mind.

Now in regards to men and women training the same - HELL YES.

My references to Good Mornings and Military Presses being contra indicated goes for BOTH GENDERS. I know that some oldschoolers swear by some oldschool movements. But here is my school of thought on oldschool and newage movements alike: Why would I recommend a movement that MIGHT injure anyone while I could recommend several others that are:

equally effective

and

much less likely to injure ANYONE.

Do you all see what I am sayin? If there is a way to screw yourself up diet or training wise you are talking to her. All I am trying to do is spare anyone the same experience. The first rule of thumb for ANY trainer (IMHO) is if I can't help someone then I certainly am not going to harm them.

I also have health issues and did a lot of damage preparing for contest back in the day so believe me when I say that while my glutes may say I am 22 my insides scream something altogether different.

I hope that you oldschoolers feel me. I am not stepping on your toes, just saying that if this lady isn't necessarily interested in contest prep then why should she train like she is? In my experience those that truly get into the love of iron the way we do (yea, it's in my blood for over 20 years now) are few and far between so I don't like to alienate those who may not share that love from the getco.

I like to offer challenging workouts that incorporate many different movements and alternatives to standard old-school routines. Once they master those and thirst for more, I let them go and have at it. I found that by and large this approach to be most effective for those that may not be sure exactly what it is they want from "fitness."

It took me a long hard road to get where I am today and I just want to share my experiences that will help ANYONE regardless of their goal or level of fitness.

I also look forward to learning from you ladies all of the new age science and stuff that has come about since I have been absent from this board.

YEAY!! I LOVE NEW STUFF!!!

 

[Nathan]

Great post BM - I'll be sending her that one too. I walked over to the supp store she works at and gave her your recommendations. She was really grateful and says thanks a ton!

Feel free to get into a discussion here about this stuff and how it may or may not have changed. LET ME IN ON THE SECRETS.