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Gun Owners, Check The 'Grade' The NRA Gave Your Congressmen
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Frackal
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P0ink, how do you feel about Bush's recent support of the continued banning of importation of semi-automatic assualt weapons for home defense.
Kalashnikov
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p0ink said:
Got this from an article:
The 1994 bill made it illegal to manufacture, sell or possess certain semiautomatic weapons that discharge one shot for each pull of the trigger and automatically load a round of ammunition without being cocked. The prohibition is due to expire in September 2004.
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Poink: many people think that the bill to renew the ban will never leave the house. I don't think that Bush is vehemently anti-gun. This is simply not a priority of his at the moment. If he signs the bill however, then we can scream bloody murder.
Either way, politicians are not to be trusted. This is why "smaller government" is the only true way to fix this sad state of affairs.
"When the government's boot is on your throat, whether it is a left boot or a right boot is of no consequence"
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Frackal
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Here you go bro (p0ink)
http://www.azstarnet.com/star/sat/30412nBUSH-GUNS.html
Also great quote by Kalishnikov
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Bush will back ongoing ban on assault weapons
Surprise stand runs counter to NRA priority
By Shannon McCaffrey
KNIGHT RIDDER NEWSPAPERS
WASHINGTON - The Bush administration is bucking the National Rifle Association and supporting a renewal of the assault-weapons ban, set to expire just before the presidential election.
"The president supports the current law, and he supports reauthorization of the current law," White House spokesman Scott McClellan said.
Tossing out the ban on semiautomatic weapons is a top priority for the NRA. President Bush said during his presidential campaign that he supported the current ban, but it was less clear whether he would support an extension.
The White House comment comes just before the NRA's annual convention and as the gun debate overall shows signs of fresh life after several years of near hibernation. Republicans now control the House and the Senate and are using their newfound power to breathe life into the stalled pro-gun rights agenda. This week, they pushed through a bill in the House to give gun makers and dealers sweeping immunity from lawsuits.
The assault-weapons ban is considered a crown jewel by the gun-control movement, and even though its expiration is more than a year away it is already being watched closely.
Attorney General John Ashcroft, who like Bush is a staunch gun-rights supporter, muddied the waters in a recent appearance before the Senate Judiciary Committee when he refused to say whether the administration supports an extension. Ashcroft cited a 1999 Justice Department report that said the ban's impact on deadly gun violence is unclear.
The White House comment surprised those on both sides of the gun issue.
"That's lousy politics," said Grover Norquist, an NRA board member who leads the conservative pro-Bush group Americans for Tax Reform.
Joe Sudbay of the Violence Policy Center said it "creates a huge problem for Bush with the NRA."
"The NRA said they would be working out of the Oval Office when Bush was elected. This creates an interesting situation for them," he said.
Matt Bennett of Americans for Gun Safety applauded Bush's stance but urged the president to use his political clout to push for Congress to act. If Congress does nothing, the ban could just expire.
Wayne LaPierre, executive vice president of the NRA, said Bush's support was somewhat irrelevant.
"Ultimately, I think this issue is going to be decided by the Congress," LaPierre said.
If it is, the NRA has reason to be optimistic.
This week's action on the immunity legislation for dealers and gun makers reflects the interest of Republicans to resurrect the pro-gun rights agenda.
Congress was poised to act on the bill last fall, but the deadly sniper attacks in the Washington area prompted a delay. The measure has enough co-sponsors in the Senate to pass that chamber unless Democrats dig in their heels and filibuster.
Supporters of the immunity bill say it shields gun makers from bankruptcy because of frivolous lawsuits that became popular during the Clinton administration. Lawsuits filed by cities against gun manufacturers - modeled on similar litigation against the tobacco industry - have so far been unsuccessful but have kept gun makers tied up in court.
Gun-control advocates say the immunity bill will keep innocent victims of gun violence from getting their day in court.
The gun industry would become the first to receive blanket immunity protections if the bill succeeds.
The active gun debate stands in contrast to several years of inaction. Democrats largely abandoned the gun issue in the 2002 midterm election after some determined that it had been an albatross for Democratic presidential hopeful Al Gore in 2000.
Rep. Carolyn McCarthy, D-N.Y., elected to Congress on a gun-control platform after her husband was killed and her son wounded by a deranged gunman on a Long Island commuter train in 1993, acknowledged that some Democrats are nervous about the gun issue.
She said soccer moms in the suburbs, so crucial to election success, draw the line at assault-style weapons such as AK-47s and Uzis, which can quickly fire multiple shots.
The 1994 bill made it illegal to manufacture, sell or possess certain semiautomatic weapons that discharge one shot for each pull of the trigger and automatically load a round of ammunition without being cocked. The prohibition is due to expire in September 2004.
But the NRA's LaPierre noted that the political climate on guns has changed dramatically in the last few years. The GOP has a lock on the White House and Congress, and he said that even some Democrats are campaigning on a pro-gun platform.
One who has not is Sen. Dianne Feinstein, D-Calif., who will introduce a bill to reauthorize the assault weapons ban in the coming weeks.
A new report due out later this year as a follow up to the 1999 report cited by Ashcroft could provide her with some fresh evidence. One of its authors, Jeffrey Roth, said preliminary findings showed that high-capacity magazines for ammunition, banned as part of the 1994 bill, were being linked increasingly to violent crimes.
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http://www.azstarnet.com/star/sat/30412nBUSH-GUNS.html
Also great quote by Kalishnikov
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Bush will back ongoing ban on assault weapons
Surprise stand runs counter to NRA priority
By Shannon McCaffrey
KNIGHT RIDDER NEWSPAPERS
WASHINGTON - The Bush administration is bucking the National Rifle Association and supporting a renewal of the assault-weapons ban, set to expire just before the presidential election.
"The president supports the current law, and he supports reauthorization of the current law," White House spokesman Scott McClellan said.
Tossing out the ban on semiautomatic weapons is a top priority for the NRA. President Bush said during his presidential campaign that he supported the current ban, but it was less clear whether he would support an extension.
The White House comment comes just before the NRA's annual convention and as the gun debate overall shows signs of fresh life after several years of near hibernation. Republicans now control the House and the Senate and are using their newfound power to breathe life into the stalled pro-gun rights agenda. This week, they pushed through a bill in the House to give gun makers and dealers sweeping immunity from lawsuits.
The assault-weapons ban is considered a crown jewel by the gun-control movement, and even though its expiration is more than a year away it is already being watched closely.
Attorney General John Ashcroft, who like Bush is a staunch gun-rights supporter, muddied the waters in a recent appearance before the Senate Judiciary Committee when he refused to say whether the administration supports an extension. Ashcroft cited a 1999 Justice Department report that said the ban's impact on deadly gun violence is unclear.
The White House comment surprised those on both sides of the gun issue.
"That's lousy politics," said Grover Norquist, an NRA board member who leads the conservative pro-Bush group Americans for Tax Reform.
Joe Sudbay of the Violence Policy Center said it "creates a huge problem for Bush with the NRA."
"The NRA said they would be working out of the Oval Office when Bush was elected. This creates an interesting situation for them," he said.
Matt Bennett of Americans for Gun Safety applauded Bush's stance but urged the president to use his political clout to push for Congress to act. If Congress does nothing, the ban could just expire.
Wayne LaPierre, executive vice president of the NRA, said Bush's support was somewhat irrelevant.
"Ultimately, I think this issue is going to be decided by the Congress," LaPierre said.
If it is, the NRA has reason to be optimistic.
This week's action on the immunity legislation for dealers and gun makers reflects the interest of Republicans to resurrect the pro-gun rights agenda.
Congress was poised to act on the bill last fall, but the deadly sniper attacks in the Washington area prompted a delay. The measure has enough co-sponsors in the Senate to pass that chamber unless Democrats dig in their heels and filibuster.
Supporters of the immunity bill say it shields gun makers from bankruptcy because of frivolous lawsuits that became popular during the Clinton administration. Lawsuits filed by cities against gun manufacturers - modeled on similar litigation against the tobacco industry - have so far been unsuccessful but have kept gun makers tied up in court.
Gun-control advocates say the immunity bill will keep innocent victims of gun violence from getting their day in court.
The gun industry would become the first to receive blanket immunity protections if the bill succeeds.
The active gun debate stands in contrast to several years of inaction. Democrats largely abandoned the gun issue in the 2002 midterm election after some determined that it had been an albatross for Democratic presidential hopeful Al Gore in 2000.
Rep. Carolyn McCarthy, D-N.Y., elected to Congress on a gun-control platform after her husband was killed and her son wounded by a deranged gunman on a Long Island commuter train in 1993, acknowledged that some Democrats are nervous about the gun issue.
She said soccer moms in the suburbs, so crucial to election success, draw the line at assault-style weapons such as AK-47s and Uzis, which can quickly fire multiple shots.
The 1994 bill made it illegal to manufacture, sell or possess certain semiautomatic weapons that discharge one shot for each pull of the trigger and automatically load a round of ammunition without being cocked. The prohibition is due to expire in September 2004.
But the NRA's LaPierre noted that the political climate on guns has changed dramatically in the last few years. The GOP has a lock on the White House and Congress, and he said that even some Democrats are campaigning on a pro-gun platform.
One who has not is Sen. Dianne Feinstein, D-Calif., who will introduce a bill to reauthorize the assault weapons ban in the coming weeks.
A new report due out later this year as a follow up to the 1999 report cited by Ashcroft could provide her with some fresh evidence. One of its authors, Jeffrey Roth, said preliminary findings showed that high-capacity magazines for ammunition, banned as part of the 1994 bill, were being linked increasingly to violent crimes.
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AustinTX
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p0ink said:
Well, being from Texas, I'm sure it's an A. LOL.
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BangedUp
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Bush backing the renewal of the ban makes me truely sick. Some say it's a shrewd political move, because it will make him appear more moderate to his detractors. I say he's a brainless stooge who has no convictions, no common sense and no understanding of "...shall not be infringed."
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