for CoolColJ and other jumpers

[coolcolj]

no problem dude

Also a lot of guys who play Bball - already get lots of "Plyo" like training from all the jumping they do on the court, so weight training can really help these guys more so than more plyo work. They already have decent speed, but lack the strength to generate more force. This was the case for me, the first 3 months of weight training jumped up my vert 3-4 inches without much effort.

that's why you need to treat each case on it's own merits. Just have to find your weakness, and work on it.

 

[Citruscide]

no problem dude

Also a lot of guys who play Bball - already get lots of "Plyo" like training from all the jumping they do on the court, so weight training can really help these guys more so than more plyo work. They already have decent speed, but lack the strength to generate more force. This was the case for me, the first 3 months of weight training jumped up my vert 3-4 inches without much effort.

that's why you need to treat each case on it's own merits. Just have to find your weakness, and work on it.

You know... I'm putting together an extensive report (going to start working on it after I move back to Chi-town in March)... I'm going to be writing it from alot of my own experiences in training, and stuff I've learned from other jumpers, spinters and other athletes ... it should be able to help people increase their quickness, agility, leg strength, jumping and speed...

I'd be interested if you could add any of your OWN research to this project??? Say.. once I get mine done, you could augment it with your own... to create a master routine??

c-ditty

 

[PolishHammer1977]

no problem dude

Also a lot of guys who play Bball - already get lots of "Plyo" like training from all the jumping they do on the court, so weight training can really help these guys more so than more plyo work. They already have decent speed, but lack the strength to generate more force. This was the case for me, the first 3 months of weight training jumped up my vert 3-4 inches without much effort.

that's why you need to treat each case on it's own merits. Just have to find your weakness, and work on it.

Well said. Good to see that you are implementing your dimensional approach.

 

[teen1216]

I did weight training... squats at 350, Leg press, leg curls, calves about 4 days a week... don't get me wrong, it has it's place in conditioning and development.

C-ditty

Ah, but do you believe that plyometrics would have helped you as much had you been squatting say...225?

 

[Citruscide]

Ah, but do you believe that plyometrics would have helped you as much had you been squatting say...225?

More so. Way more so. I couldn't squat that weight before plyo... It was pretty easy for me at the time... my legs were freeking big, my body sucked... the only thing holding me back was the inability of my back to support the weight LOL.

Prior to plyo (my rigerous training) I could probably do 185-205 for reps... as my plyo training got more and more intense... my squat weight went up... where it DIDN'T Go up when I was just on weights alone...

C-ditty

 

[teen1216]

I see....do you prescribe to the idea that if you do not have a base strength level high enough for plyometrics (I've heard of anywhere from 1.5x to 2.5x bodyweight), then they are quite dangerous and limit strength should be developed with weight training first?

 

[coolcolj]

You know... I'm putting together an extensive report (going to start working on it after I move back to Chi-town in March)... I'm going to be writing it from alot of my own experiences in training, and stuff I've learned from other jumpers, spinters and other athletes ... it should be able to help people increase their quickness, agility, leg strength, jumping and speed...

I'd be interested if you could add any of your OWN research to this project??? Say.. once I get mine done, you could augment it with your own... to create a master routine??

c-ditty

Maybe - I'm still learning, still experimenting on myself perhaps by Christmas, I'll have more complete knowledge on the subject.
Hopefully I'll have a 405lb oly squat by then and with some depth jumps under my belt

I should actually get a 60 metre FAT time done soon as well.

 

[Citruscide]

I see....do you prescribe to the idea that if you do not have a base strength level high enough for plyometrics (I've heard of anywhere from 1.5x to 2.5x bodyweight), then they are quite dangerous and limit strength should be developed with weight training first?

I'll put it to you like this. If my name were Joe Heavyfoot... and I have never worked out before... and I wanted to increase speed, jumping, etc... I'd start on a weight training program as well as plyometrics. I wouldn't start off with the rigerous plyos... there are various types of exercises that you can do that are more beginner... and less advanced.

I wouldn't suggest the advanced plyos to anyone who is just starting out... just like I wouldn't suggest loading up the squat bar with 250 to anyone who has never squatted before.

C-ditty

 

[PolishHammer1977]

Making sure you are always flexible is important as well. For some people it is beneficial and for some people it is not. Relate it to the goals you set for anything. Try to touch a centimeter more every time you stretch. You would be suprised what a little mind game can do for your jumping ability. Your lower back benefits as well just by becoming more flexible.

 

[Citruscide]

Making sure you are always flexible is important as well. For some people it is beneficial and for some people it is not. Relate it to the goals you set for anything. Try to touch a centimeter more every time you stretch. You would be suprised what a little mind game can do for your jumping ability. Your lower back benefits as well just by becoming more flexible.

BIG TIME dude... most people underestimate the importants of abdominals in jumping as well.

c-ditty