Burning fat with T3

[Smasher]

I've heard yesterday that if you drink alcohol you can't burn fat... you can't burn a single gram fat as long as you have alcohol in the blood... do anyone know if that's true ?

'cause I'm going on festival's and so on, and will be drinking a lot, but that's no fun if we know the pills wont work then

 

[nautica]

Why would you be drinking and doing T3 at the same time.

And yes it is almost impossible to burn fat while drinking. Your body is using the alcohol for its energy and any excess alcohol you drink or food you eat will be stored as fat.

It also fucks up protein synthesis for the next 24 hours.

do a search on "Fonz" and "Alcohol"

Good luck
nautica

 

[DaMan]

And yes it is almost impossible to burn fat while drinking. Your body is using the alcohol for its energy and any excess alcohol you drink or food you eat will be stored as fat.

1. Back it up with research or

2. Quantify it properly. Are you saying if I ingest 10 grams of Bacardi 151 and yet have a caloric deficit of 1000kcal it's "impossible" to burn fat?

Seriously dude... (no flame meant, but come on).

I posted a similar thread on the AF board and got much more informative answers.

But for the record, he's right, your body will metabolize the alcohol (and any other carbs / glycogen) before it does fat. Usually.

 

[nautica]

Why alcohol is anathema to bodybuilding..... (post #1)

1: Alcohol Clin Exp Res 1997 Aug;21(5):792-8 Related Articles, Books, LinkOut


Studies on the time-course of ethanol's acute effects on skeletal muscle protein synthesis: comparison with acute changes in proteolytic activity.

Reilly ME, Mantle D, Richardson PJ, Salisbury J, Jones J, Peters TJ, Preedy VR.

Department of Clinical Biochemistry, King's College School of Medicine and Dentistry, London, United Kingdom.

A study of the effects of ethanol on skeletal muscle protein synthesis and protease activities was carried out in young male Wistar rats (150 g) for up to 24 hr after a single intraperitoneal dose of 75 mmol of ethanol/kg of body weight. At 20 min, the mean blood ethanol levels were 448 mg/dl. This level dropped steadily to zero through the following 24 hr.

So, this study basically looks at the effects of ethanol 24 hours
after drinking it.

Compared with pair-fed controls, significant reductions in total protein, RNA, and DNA contents were seen only after 24 hr in all skeletal muscles studied: changes were more marked in the muscles containing large proportions of type II fibers. In plantaris muscle, the fractional rate of protein synthesis (ks, %/day) did not fall 20 min after dosage but was reduced after 1 hr by 23% (p < 0.001), and by 63% after 24 hr, compared with control saline-injected rats (p < 0.001).

So, let us see.......23% reduction in protein synthesis after
1 hr and 63%!!!! after 24 hours.


This effect was independent of dietary intake because,

VERY IMPORTANT: Effect was independent of dietary intake.
SO, even with a PERFECT diet, ethanol still wreaks HAVOC
with your bodies anabolicity.

compared with the pair-fed group, the 24-hr ethanol-treated rats still showed a 52% decrease in fractional rates of protein synthesis (p < 0.001). Smaller reductions in ks were seen in soleus muscles in response to ethanol at 24 hr (-39%, p < 0.001). The activities of a variety of lysosomal and nonlysosomal proteases in plantaris muscle of 24-hr treated rats were not significantly affected by ethanol. Only alanyl- and tripeptidyl-aminopeptidase activities were reduced significantly (26%, p < 0.05 and 39%, p < 0.01, respectively). These results suggest that the muscle compositional changes seen over acute periods of ethanol toxicity are predominantly associated with impaired synthesis of protein and that the contribution of cellular proteolytic systems may be minimal.

Again,

The effects of ethanol on skeletal muscle protein metabolism are greater in muscles containing a predominance of type II fibers than in those containing mainly type I fibers.

Type II fibers= LARGE muscle fibers for TRAINING.
Type I=Fast twitch for activities like walking.

Ethanol's effects on muscle may be influenced by hormonal changes after 24 hr, because protein synthesis is still compromised and free plasma T3 and corticosterone are altered at this time-point.

Even worse, ethanol causes a HORMONAL shift. It increases
estrogen through the up-regulation of the aromatase enzyme,
lowers testosterone,increases cortisol and to boot reduces
free T3 levels.

PMID: 9267527 [PubMed - indexed for MEDLINE]

So, the next time you go drinking go for some non-alcoholic
drinks if on cycle. Or use an alcohol replacer.

If you drink, and wonder why you don't grow, well......
read and learn then, because this is for you.

Fonz

 

[nautica]

Alcohol Oral Steroids and your Liver (post #1)

Derive from it what you will but I take it that you WILL still grow if youve had a bevvy but 30% less than you would with out and serious liver damage can occur with LONG term HEAVY use of steroids or alchohol (so combining the 2 obviously isn't good). Also the liver is pretty bloody resiliant but I do concur that its not good to destroy it seeings as we've only got 1.

Some of this may seem unrelated but Im quite new to this so I gave it my best shot.

but here you go anyway...

Alcohol promotes water loss. Alcohol depresses production of the antidiuretic hormone. Increases urination, which increases loss of body fluid increases thirst. For each 10 gm of alcohol consumed (approximately one drink) 4 oz of body fluid is lost.
Water loss caused by alcohol consumption involves the additional loss of important minerals such as magnesium, potassium, calcium and zinc. These are vital to the maintenance of fluid balance and to nerve and muscle action and coordination.
Alcohol interferes with the metabolism of fat and glucose. Fats and glucose are diverted into making body fat which accumulates in the liver cells.
Synthesis of fatty acids is accelerated as a result of the liver's exposure to alcohol. Fat can accumulate in the liver after a single night of heavy drinking.
The presence of alcohol alters amino acid metabolism in the liver cells. Protein deficiency can develop in heavy drinkers, both from the depression of protein synthesis in the cells and a poor diet.
Heavy alcohol use can interfere with the intestinal cells' ability to absorb thiamin, folacin, and vitamin B12. Nutrient deficiencies are almost an inevitable consequence of heavy drinking because alcohol directly interferes with the body's use of nutrients, making important water soluble vitamins ineffective even when present in adequate amounts.(Vitamin b12 is important for carbohydrates and fat metabolism).
Alcohol use can raise blood pressure.
Two thirds of the calories in beer are alcohol derived (7 Kcal/gm). These calories are used primarily for heat and are not stored as muscle glycogen.
Use of alcohol causes impaired gluconegenesis and lowers resting muscle glycogen levels.
Alcohol use results in decreased exercise time to exhaustion and decreased performance in middle-distance running events.
Athletes engaged in activities that require precise fine motor control, have a perception of reduced tension and increased relaxation as a result of alcohol, but the actual effect is decreased eye-hand coordination and impaired judgement and tracking.
Metabolism of alcohol interferes with breakdown of lactic acid and can result in build-up of lactic acid in the blood when alcohol is consumed right before or after strenuous exercise.
Alcohol is a vasodilator: it causes the blood vessels near the surface of the skin to expand and thereby promotes heat loss and lower body temperature.
The use of alcohol the evening prior to an athletic event may be detrimental to performance. One study showed airline pilots performed consistently worse in task requiring attention and visual-motor coordination skills, 14 hours after igesting enough alcohol to reach a .10-.12 BAC (blood alcohol concentration). This BAC is reached when a 140lb. woman consumes 4-5 drinks in one hour.


"Alcohol acts as a direct toxin to type-2 fast twitch muscle fibers; the type most responsive to muscle hypertrophy (increase in size). A few studies have appeared in the journal Alcoholism: Clinical and Experimental Research (22;1998). One examined the effects of a 12-week diet containing alcohol on protein synthesis rates in mice. Alcohol decreased muscle protein synthesis rates by 23-26% in the fast-twitch fibers of the rodents that habitually consumed moderate servings of alcohol. What appeared to cause this alcohol-induced drop in muscle building was a marked reduction in the anabolic hormone, insulin-like growth factor-1 (IGF-1). In the presence of alcohol, circulating levels of IGF-1 dropped by up to 42%! That's IGF-1 in blood and muscle.

The largest of the internal organs, the liver, "weighs in" at 2.5 to 5 pounds. It is suspended behind the ribs on the upper right side of the abdomen and spans almost the entire width of the body over to the heart. It has two separate lobes that operate independently of each other (in case one side stops functioning). One unique feature of the liver is that it is capable of regenerating itself after a portion is removed. After a loss of up to 75% due to injury or surgery the remaining liver can grow back and be restored to normal size within several months.


Theres not too much in there about oral steroids but you see what Im getting at...

If you like this you could always give me some karma.. I feel unloved

 

[lawnsaver]

Yeah!!!

 

[DaMan]

Thx for the studies dude.

For the record, do you know how much alcohol those rats were given? In a human that comes out to over a bottle of Smirnoff.

If our bro drinks that much I agree, no weightloss.

If I have my half-glass of beer for the day, sorry to disappoint, but I'm living proof fatloss is still possible

 

[Elapid]

If our boy is like me at a "festival" then he will be drinking the equivalent of several bottles of Smirnoff...jk. Man, enjoy yourself in moderation of possible what DaMan is saying is a couple of drinks aren't going to kill your diet just your liver.

 

[Silent Method]

Why cant I find Fonz's "Why alcohol is anathema to bodybuilding" post? Anyway...

For the record, do you know how much alcohol those rats were given? In a human that comes out to over a bottle of Smirnoff.

Very true. However, the point of the study was to establish specific physiological reactions to alcohol, not to test the degree of those reactions in regard to alcohol dose.

Smasher, don't drink on T3.

 

[Peyomp]

No kidding man... if you're gonna take the risk of using T3... what are you thinking about drinking for? Optimize everything, so you can lose the most amount of fat possible while you're on T3.