at what point does one consider as?

[wilson6]

I agree MS, but I don't think pumpgirl (or anyone else) would look as sharp without OX; not to say she still wouldn't draw the attention of many without OX, but if you put a natural female with a fitness look next to the OX assisted, there would be a very clear difference and I'd bet most everyone would agree that the one on a low dose of OX looks better than the one without.

None-the-less, AAS should only be a consideration if everything else has been optimized and only if one knows about and can control what their getting into and can live with any negative aspects of their decision. If not, then don't do it.

W6

 

[MS]

I admit I am at a disadvantage when it comes to commenting on Pumpgirl specifically. I have never seen images of her (and am unlikely to without buying into Elite Fitness Platinum Memebership). However it is hard for me to imagine a fitness/figure look that is not achieveable without AAS (assuming good genetics, training etc...). It's not like figure chicks require superphysiological levels of muscularity or leannesss. This would put the majority of blue-blooded American males off instantly, and we all know that doesn't sell well.

Well I am just talking through that hole in my mouth until I see before and after images of pumpgirl, as well as finding out what her age, experience, training and diet were like.

 

[wilson6]

The "after" are on their way. Check your email.

W6

 

[MrMuscle]

I'm one of those guys that will preach about not using AS to anybody who asks me. not because i lack respect for those who use it. But because i want to test the individual, if he/she backs off easily when i start confrontin him/her. then i know that using AS is not the answere for that person. but, if the person can explain to me why he/she wants to start a cycle, explain her/his training and diet, and show the results, or lack thereof, and is not ashamed to tell people that she/he is planning a cycle. then maybe he/she is ready.

the stupidest thing i see is people who have or are on cycles, and people know this. but when confronted with it they deny it. again and again. if you want to start AS you HAVE to stand up for what you have done. not hide in shame..

oh and btw..im a natty..i swear

 

[luvs2workout]

Ann - Smalls, clearly asks board member their opinions on if she should/shouldnt....I read over - not one person encouraged her or thought she was ready...they all offered very helpful info...some took the time to type out long explanations of what she should do and why not to rush into it...did it matter?? evidently NOT....

this is why I responded as I did on her thread...or rather why I seemed as she put it "RUDE"

 

[ann]

Ann - Smalls, clearly asks board member their opinions on if she should/shouldnt....I read over - not one person encouraged her or thought she was ready...they all offered very helpful info...some took the time to type out long explanations of what she should do and why not to rush into it...did it matter?? evidently NOT....

this is why I responded as I did on her thread...or rather why I seemed as she put it "RUDE"

I understand all of that......and understood perfectly well your post. All I am saying, is, its her body, her move, and I will support her in whatever she does. She's taken the plunge, against some good advice, but I wont beat her up about it. HER CHOICE..... I will just encourage her and hope she gets some awesome results.

 

[NubianBeauty]

Well, I did not think you two were "rude"... just trying to get an understanding as to "why" she chose to do this, especially after this thread. Just wait until new@ gets here