Anything else besides winny and primo to harden gains at end?

[Lift Chief]

Is there anything else you guys feels works well at the end of the cycle to harden gains besides obviously winny and primo? I'm going to do a test dbol stack and don't want to run eq or deca cause i'm trying to keep it cheap this time-- so i'm looking for something to harden gains beyond the usual winny and primo.
thanks guys

 

[bmit]

fina- the ultimate hardening agent and mad cheap @ 75mg/ed

 

[soflaguy]

proviron also works some. maybe some letrozole too, for water bloat and estrogenic fat.
Winny is the best thing to harden up though.

 

[Machiavellian Muscle]

var should harden you up

 

[Lift Chief]

damn i can't believe i don't know this but what's var? I thought i knew almost all the abbreviations-- guess not.
oh and thanks guys

 

[akathegame]

Chief,

First var is anavar. Fina is a great and cheap hardening agent. Proviron and anastrozole combat estro and will reduce bloat and improve hardness. Diuretics can also aid in drying out. Masteron is a great hardening agent, but like winny and primo, is cost prohibitive. var is pretty pricy too. I'd go with fina. Run the test for the duration of the cycle. Run the dbol for the first 6 weeks and end the cycle with the treb. Additionally, the lower your bodyfat, the harder you will look. It seems obvious, but alot of guys overlook theis fact. A deep tan will also do wonders for highlighting hardness and definition. Hope this is of some assistance bro. Out.

 

[Lift Chief]

Thanks man, helped a lot.

 

[Mark Kerr]

I did 40mgs of dbol daily along with 40mgs of nolvadex for 8 weeks - ended up shedding all of my bloat and could see veins in shoulders and legs. I didnt eat extremely clean but made sure bulk of carbs were eaten in the morning and tapering off to straight protien and veggies at night with a gal of water a day. - Some people use a lower dose of the above for a bridge but i just use this as an extension of a moderate to high dose test cycle.