Anyone over 40 using AS?

[Area5150]

I'm 43. I sleep with IVs. I don't plan to ever come off.

I know the above quote is old, but I'm sure that there's a ton of guys who still think the same way. Are they for real? I can't believe that these guys are gonna keep doing steroids right up until they die. There's a part of me that wants to say, "Grow up!" And that's an edited version.

You can do a ton of cycles in a lifetime, but I always thought that there comes a time when you gotta quit for your health. Right or wrong? And I've seen guys who did alot of cycles over the years and then they up and quit. And all of them lost a ton of muscle and some even got fat.

They got fat not because they quit training but because that's what happens to you when you quit doing the juice after years of juicing. Alot of the fat winds up in the waist. There's a valid scientific explanation for this but it's beyond me to expound on it.

So my point is, what's the point of starting a.s. useage when you know that you're someday gonna quit and you're gonna lose most of the muscle anyway? Believe it or not, my opinions are anything but incontrovertible and I'm always willing to reverse my opinion. Afterall, I'm not a politician, for christ sake. As long as the counterpoints are sound logic. But right now I don't see the point in doing juice (except for getting ready for a hot date or some other impetuous teenage reason) for the reasons stated within.

 

[Mavafanculo]

Re: Oldsters

I am 59, started my first cycle at 58. Have put on 40# of muscle.
As you get older, arimidex is important to control estrogen and the subsequent water retention.


BP has a tendency to elevate. I am on 750 Test 300 Primo and 150 Tren EOD with no problems. Will probably hit a plateau on muscle gain at some point. I am in the 14th week of this cycle and I alternated D-bol, 2 week on - 2 weeks off up until last week.

Have lost no hair, have no acne.

Those over 50 are probably at an increased risk for connective tissue injuries because of the aging effect, although some GH might help that. I get strong fast, but I have to be careful not to outdistance my ligaments.

I pyramid up on every exercise and never go below 8 reps, targeting 10 for each set. I work out each muscle group once a week. Recovery time is an issue for older BBers. They need more time even on juice.

Weigh 220 with about 19% body fat. Started out at 187 with 25% bodyfat.

I use light weights because of previous injuries. Standing curl with 70, Flat Bench 230 - @10 times. Pushing yourself to keep up with the guys in their 30s will lead to injuries. Benching with sets of 3 to 5 are hazardous and overtraining is extremely easy. I have to restrain myself from pushing too hard. Forced reps and heavy negatives is asking for trouble in those over 55.

My body looks like a guy in his 20s. Will drop some of the weight post cycle. Intend to take a 2 month break then get on a 1g Test, D-bol, Deca then later Tren cycle.

PSA was 1.5 on D-bol, Test and Deca. Cholesterol was 129 with 4:1 ratio. Usually at 159 with 2:1 ratio. Liver values were well within limits.

As long as the biochemical profile is positive, there is no reason no to stay on juice until you are 80.

We are all going to die. Lets die on our feet not on our knees.

over thirty its also important to do proviron with your test (and even dbol) if you can tolerate it. the body gets more efficient at binding up with SHBG whatever extra test is floating around and rendering it useless. I was a test non-responder (deca eq anavar yes, test no) until I added proviron.

 

[gunnermuscle]

I know the above quote is old, but I'm sure that there's a ton of guys who still think the same way. Are they for real? I can't believe that these guys are gonna keep doing steroids right up until they die. There's a part of me that wants to say, "Grow up!" And that's an edited version.

You can do a ton of cycles in a lifetime, but I always thought that there comes a time when you gotta quit for your health. Right or wrong? And I've seen guys who did alot of cycles over the years and then they up and quit. And all of them lost a ton of muscle and some even got fat.

They got fat not because they quit training but because that's what happens to you when you quit doing the juice after years of juicing. Alot of the fat winds up in the waist. There's a valid scientific explanation for this but it's beyond me to expound on it.

So my point is, what's the point of starting a.s. useage when you know that you're someday gonna quit and you're gonna lose most of the muscle anyway? Believe it or not, my opinions are anything but incontrovertible and I'm always willing to reverse my opinion. Afterall, I'm not a politician, for christ sake. As long as the counterpoints are sound logic. But right now I don't see the point in doing juice (except for getting ready for a hot date or some other impetuous teenage reason) for the reasons stated within.

I just turned 51, been doing AAS since I was 40...Now I dont even cycle..I just stay on at low/moderate doses (moderation guys)and save my body going thru the traumatic on and off periods.Im bigger,leaner,and healthier than just about ANYONE at any age-certainly anyone my own age.I totally get your concern about getting older and ensuing health issues-a valid concern- BUT, I personally dont care. I wanna be strong,vital, and powerful until I die-and if its from doing this stuff over a period of time, so be it. Im not afraid of dying -only afraid of living timdily, cautiously, and nervously.I realize thats not considered normal by the masses, but Ive also never been real impressed by the masses choices (see:current Administration)and I refuse to be an older american living in fear of becoming some victim to some person or group. The gear helps me stay strong and along with the intense workouts and good diet I employ I am more strong physically and mentally than ever before in my life.Ive just been approched to write a column in a local magazine regarding issues for men 45 and older...I will definetly include Steroids (or HRT) at some point and try and anti-demonize to some extent the rap theyve taken over the years.I believe its all about personal choice- and this is mine and I dont expect most people to agree with it...but its all about personal empowerment for me and staying relevant as a functioning person as I get closer to becoming a senior citizen--its not about getting dates and definetly not for teenage reasons---its for adult reasons.

--gunner--

 

[thelion2005]

62 here. Been on a Doc supervised HRT program for some time. Thius includes:
- test
- HGH
- anti-est

I have quarterly full blood testing done and the 'tate scoped once a year.

I'm in the best shape of my life, lifting more and lifting smarter. I just shook off a case of flu (thank you, my grandchildren) in less than 5 days.

I can spot the high esto/ low test men as I look out on the public. It is most of them. The belly, the bloated face and the soft body is the give-away. I will never be one of them.

 

[thelion2005]

Re: Oldsters

I am 59, started my first cycle at 58. Have put on 40# of muscle.
As you get older, arimidex is important to control estrogen and the subsequent water retention.


BP has a tendency to elevate. I am on 750 Test 300 Primo and 150 Tren EOD with no problems. Will probably hit a plateau on muscle gain at some point. I am in the 14th week of this cycle and I alternated D-bol, 2 week on - 2 weeks off up until last week.

Have lost no hair, have no acne.

Those over 50 are probably at an increased risk for connective tissue injuries because of the aging effect, although some GH might help that. I get strong fast, but I have to be careful not to outdistance my ligaments.

I pyramid up on every exercise and never go below 8 reps, targeting 10 for each set. I work out each muscle group once a week. Recovery time is an issue for older BBers. They need more time even on juice.

Weigh 220 with about 19% body fat. Started out at 187 with 25% bodyfat.

I use light weights because of previous injuries. Standing curl with 70, Flat Bench 230 - @10 times. Pushing yourself to keep up with the guys in their 30s will lead to injuries. Benching with sets of 3 to 5 are hazardous and overtraining is extremely easy. I have to restrain myself from pushing too hard. Forced reps and heavy negatives is asking for trouble in those over 55.

My body looks like a guy in his 20s. Will drop some of the weight post cycle. Intend to take a 2 month break then get on a 1g Test, D-bol, Deca then later Tren cycle.

PSA was 1.5 on D-bol, Test and Deca. Cholesterol was 129 with 4:1 ratio. Usually at 159 with 2:1 ratio. Liver values were well within limits.

As long as the biochemical profile is positive, there is no reason no to stay on juice until you are 80.

We are all going to die. Lets die on our feet not on our knees.

Great attitude!
k to you.

 

[RADAR]

Can you believe its been 3 yrs already since i made that post on this thread, at the present i'm more cut ,Defined and in better shape than i have ever been in my entire life!

Going on 54 in December! OHHH Yeah!



RADAR

 

[Area5150]

II personally dont care. I wanna be strong,vital, and powerful until I die-and if its from doing this stuff over a period of time, so be it. Im not afraid of dying -only afraid of living timdily, cautiously, and nervously.

Death from steroids? That's a worst case scenario. What really concerns me is the "half ass worst case scenario."

Half ass meaning where you don't die, but you come down with some type of ailment that prevents you from lifting and moving. Being hooked up to a machine, an amputation, or whatever. That in itself for people like you and me might be construed as a fate worse than death.
Man, I always wanta be mobile. If anything happens to my wheels I would out and out freak. I can't fathom being housebound or tethered to a metaphorical post in the ground.

My neighbor who is fit and lean and in his 40's came down with a very debilitating and shocking ailment. It's an ailment in his leg that makes him walk everywhere with a very pronounced limp. Shocking in that the last time I talked to him the ailment was still not diagnosed or attributed to anything and he's had this problem for about a year now. And trust me, his limp is very ugly.

I live in an area of San Diego that has a fairly large volume of pedestrian traffic, on a daily basis. I live in People Watching Paradise. And as such I'm awarded the gift of being able to see people of all shapes, size and age come and go. I learn alot, too much to write about here and now. From the young I learn about where I came from and how I got to be what I am. From the old, I learn about where I'm going.

And I am impressed by the senior citizens who get out of their house and walk, run, or ride their bicycle. And as someone whose had multiple knee surgeries, I realize that wheels, movement and mobility is the number one characteristic I should value the most. You see, I tend to think there are some 70 year olds that can still run and maybe a few who can barely get out of the house. But I might be wrong about that. Maybe 70 years old isn't all that debilitating to the physical senses. Either way, no matter what age I am, I want to be able to get up and go.

The weightlifting thing can get out of hand for some people. I'm reminded of a guy in L.A. who was a fitness fanatic with exceptional genes. He had an exquisite body. I don't know if he was gear-free or not. The article I read stated that he had alot of joint pain, the type that eventually prevented him from lifting. It went on to say that he committed suicide because of all the pain that prevented him from lifting. That much was stated in his suicide note. Like the rest of us, he was a real zealot when it came to lifting. Personally, I have no problem with someone shutting themselves down in much the same way Hunter S. Thompson did.

I kinda think the same way the L.A. guy did, what's the point of living if you can't lift, if you can't ride a bike, if you can't be mobile? Maybe my thinking will someday evolve into a different thought pattern.

 

[Lifterforlife]

54 here...competing, going strong. The key in using long term is staying on the high side of normal, and not abuse. This in fact is an anti-aging program when looked at closely.

 

[Area5150]

The key in using long term is staying on the high side of normal, and not abuse.

At your age, do you advocate staying on it year round or doing the traditional cycle? And are there some drugs that middle agers should avoid, say like Anadrol-50, or are they all good? Can you give us an example of "staying on the high side of normal?"

I'm kinda curious. And don't assume from my posts that I'm 100% anti-steroid, because I'm not. I live near TJ, so the subject certainly does cross my mind. From what I've read the best drugs for keeping gains are the ones that put on muscle the slowest.

 

[Lifterforlife]

At your age, do you advocate staying on it year round or doing the traditional cycle? And are there some drugs that middle agers should avoid, say like Anadrol-50, or are they all good? Can you give us an example of "staying on the high side of normal?"

Yeah, normal test levels(and this is not written in stone, but close) are 270-1000 ng./dl. of blood. If you can keep test levels in what I refer to as the high side of normal, upwards of 500, and I would prefer a bit higher, this to me would be an anti aging program, and cannot lead to abuse. That is normal sex drive, good test levels for lean muscle gain and fat loss....keeping estrogen down is key. It is shown in research that a 50 yr. old man has as much estrogen and as little test levels as a same age post menapausal woman! One study I saw stated a 54 yr. old male has the same estrogen levels as a 59 yr. old woman. We are all born with both hormones, both male and female.

I'm kinda curious. And don't assume from my posts that I'm 100% anti-steroid, because I'm not. I live near TJ, so the subject certainly does cross my mind. From what I've read the best drugs for keeping gains are the ones that put on muscle the slowest.

Yep, I believe with proper test dosing, this is exactly what you will do, put muscle on slowly....again staying on the high side of normal should enable muscle gain as in your mid twenties or so, which still as a natural is pretty reasonably slow.

I have always been into anti aging, taking vitamins, minerals, etc. long ago before it ever became "mainstream". This has been a lifetime research process for me.