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Any right wingers esplain to me what the Homosexual Agenda is.

EnderJE said:
To be seen as being normal? I dunno, just taking a guess with that one.
no no no...not the truth....."What do the right wingers think it is?"...they coined the phrase.I just think its funny how they think "queer eye" and "will and grace" is the downfall of the planet ..but war ..death and Destruction is a necessary evil...(anywho back on topic for me.)
 
I've been drinkin' so I'll be short
the short-sighted gay community is focusing on the wrong issue
"marriage" is a title only for them with little difference in the eyes of the law save for one very fucking important fact I've yet to see mentioned by any pro-gay marriage poster or the infamous ass-plorer himself
DEATHTAX and the abilty to transfer assets to one's spouse
correct and change these 2 differences betw actaul marriage and civil unions(as they are seen and interpreted for the most part by the majority of states) and the only difference that exists is the title defining the union
except for divorce
hell as a guy I'd much rather get a "civil" union with a girl than go through another marriage
fuck that noise
you fags don't know what kind of shit you're stirring up
 
4everhung said:
I've been drinkin' so I'll be short
the short-sighted gay community is focusing on the wrong issue
"marriage" is a title only for them with little difference in the eyes of the law save for one very fucking important fact I've yet to see mentioned by any pro-gay marriage poster or the infamous ass-plorer himself
DEATHTAX and the abilty to transfer assets to one's spouse
correct and change these 2 differences betw actaul marriage and civil unions(as they are seen and interpreted for the most part by the majority of states) and the only difference that exists is the title defining the union
except for divorce
hell as a guy I'd much rather get a "civil" union with a girl than go through another marriage
fuck that noise
you fags don't know what kind of shit you're stirring up

either way...i really could care less you know?..some of these fuckers get ferocious and violent agaist it ..its just weird..like if gay people exist ..than that equals no god in thier mind.To me "god " makes souls..if you believe in that ..the whole body thing is left up to earthly chance...just like my lovehandles.. :chomp:
 
IwouldSlamU said:
REMBER BEING GAY IS A CHOICE........thats another one. i would say allmost never a choice
I'm not a homophobe in the least
hell I enjoy going to gay clubs occassionally
but it is much more difficult to "learn" to take a cock up the ass than it is for a women to take a cock in her pussy
and I know from speaking to women about butt love
and I honestly can't see any difference from an anatomatical angle in the male and female anus
this is not to say that it can't be enjoyable
but anal sex is "learned",plain and simple
even oral sex is learned
straight vaginal male-female sex is almost born known
 
4everhung said:
I'm not a homophobe in the least
hell I enjoy going to gay clubs occassionally
but it is much more difficult to "learn" to take a cock up the ass than it is for a women to take a cock in her pussy
and I know from speaking to women about butt love
and I honestly can't see any difference from an anatomatical angle in the male and female anus
this is not to say that it can't be enjoyable
but anal sex is "learned",plain and simple
even oral sex is learned
straight vaginal male-female sex is almost born known
when i was 10 i though girls vaginas were directly under thier belly buttons.turns out i was incorrect. :p
 
I had 2 sisters,one a year younger and one 2 years younger(Catholic)
when I was young I though their butt crack went all the way around
when I was about 10 I asked my mom what would happen if a man put his penis in a women
see I was figuring that shit out already
my next question was

"what if he had to pee?"
I was tough to raise,for different reasons
 
4everhung said:
when I was young I though their butt crack went all the way around

"what if he had to pee?"

I was tough to raise,for different reasons

lmao....kids are funny
 
My guess is that it's usually genetic. I mean what normal guy would want to have a dick in his ass? I can't even comprehend it. So I'm not against gays, it's just a genetic defect is my guess. I've had friends that are gay, but I must admit, I often wonder if they would like to stick their dick in my ass. LOL
 
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biteme said:
My guess is that it's usually genetic. I mean what normal guy would want to have a dick in his ass? I can't even comprehend it. So I'm not against gays, it's just a genetic defect is my guess. I've had friends that are gay, but I must admit, I often wonder if they would like to stick their dick in my ass. LOL
the issue I have with this though is that genetic dispositions are "passed along"
cum in the rectum doesn't accomplish this feat
 
heh AAP,we wake you?
it's uncanny your nack for smelling out a gay talk thread
 
Gay guys are cool

for every gay couple there are two more single women.

I hope every man in the world but me turns gay
 
I never really saw the reason why people are so obsessed with gayness. It onestly never mattered to me. As a true Christian i don't judge anyone and have the same friendly face to every person i meet. It just does not matter whether they're gay or anything else, it's a human being. Now whether it's genetic is debatable, i'm sure some guys are gay due to some event that took place at some time in their life, while others might be genetically programmed like that, I mean it's not like we have a shortage of people who suffer thinking they were born the wrong sex, so why not be born gay? In the end all any of us ever want is to be accepted and happy.
 
I'm quite right wing but I don't have any problem with gay people of gay marriage. I think that every long-term couple deserves the financial protection of marriage-- the tax-free accent to their partners 401K, default property rights, etc. I don't get what the fuss is about.
 
The fuss is about their union being called "MArriage". This is the stumbling block people in America can't get over. I'm sure if they called it a "joint union" it would have been much easier.
 
The right wing agenda is to be able to stone gay people to death.
 
You know, I don't even think the gay community knows what the "homosexual agenda" is.
Me personally, I wouldn't care to get married, just give me a civil union in front of a judge. The only thing I care about is having the same legal rights as those that get married. I DO NOT want any of my family trying to take away property from my SO, just because my family has more legal right to my stuff than my SO would.

As a matter of fact, you straight folks can keep marriage, you've fucked it up royally for the rest of us.

And if the conservative Christians are so heated up about saving marriage, why don't they have divorce outlawed?
 
GREGORY said:
I never really saw the reason why people are so obsessed with gayness. It onestly never mattered to me. As a true Christian i don't judge anyone and have the same friendly face to every person i meet. It just does not matter whether they're gay or anything else, it's a human being. Now whether it's genetic is debatable, i'm sure some guys are gay due to some event that took place at some time in their life, while others might be genetically programmed like that, I mean it's not like we have a shortage of people who suffer thinking they were born the wrong sex, so why not be born gay? In the end all any of us ever want is to be accepted and happy.
I don't really think many of us are "obsessed" with homosexuality. With the internet it's easier to chat about issues and get info. Myself I've gotten a lot of insight into their viewpoints from boards such as this. In the real world I virtually never even discuss "gay" matters or tell a gay joke. Hell gay jokes went "out" about 20 years ago. It's something kids do,"you're gay"
 
id say they have the same thing on the agenda as any young guy...to get some ass :D

what do you mean "agenda"? or are you talking about those gay guys that have those little stickers in their windows, proclaiming their love for the cock?
 
Gays= the new clowns, handicapped, old people, we accept them as long as they are on tv making us laugh.

The truth is most of America is still stuck in the past. As we saw in this election people like being ordered around, they like someone controlling their lives. And the GOP/Christian Reich clearly deems gays as a threat matrix to clean USA living. The sheep then flock as told.

kinda pathetic
 
The Greatest said:
Gays= the new clowns, handicapped, old people, we accept them as long as they are on tv making us laugh.

The truth is most of America is still stuck in the past. As we saw in this election people like being ordered around, they like someone controlling their lives. And the GOP/Christian Reich clearly deems gays as a threat matrix to clean USA living. The sheep then flock as told.

kinda pathetic
true dat
can't stomp on the blacks anymore
wonder if we're gradually moving from the gays to the muslims
 
4everhung said:
I don't really think many of us are "obsessed" with homosexuality. With the internet it's easier to chat about issues and get info. Myself I've gotten a lot of insight into their viewpoints from boards such as this. In the real world I virtually never even discuss "gay" matters or tell a gay joke. Hell gay jokes went "out" about 20 years ago. It's something kids do,"you're gay"


Yes you are obsessed, well maybe not you specifically but the populace overall. They or you just don't realize it and don't discuss it in public but do behind closed doors in your home and in the safety and annoniminity sp? of the internet. It's like some black comedians said, that now adays a nigger is only a nigger when he leaves the room. It's the same with gays they're not gays or homos or fags until they leave the room or your safe and annonymous.

Think about it and don't take offense.
 
GREGORY said:
Yes you are obsessed, well maybe not you specifically but the populace overall. They or you just don't realize it and don't discuss it in public but do behind closed doors in your home and in the safety and annoniminity sp? of the internet. It's like some black comedians said, that now adays a nigger is only a nigger when he leaves the room. It's the same with gays they're not gays or homos or fags until they leave the room or your safe and annonymous.

Think about it and don't take offense.
I agree with you a 100% on this
and since my girlfriend is BI,I suppose we do discuss gay issues behind closed doors
consider me guilty
 
I think their agenda is make a homosexuality to be percieved as normal behavior so that more people think being gay is ok. Then they hope to recruit some more straight people to their way of life since they can't reproduce their kind.
 
curling said:
I think their agenda is make a homosexuality to be percieved as normal behavior so that more people think being gay is ok. Then they hope to recruit some more straight people to their way of life since they can't reproduce their kind.

You are dumb
 
curling said:
I think their agenda is make a homosexuality to be percieved as normal behavior so that more people think being gay is ok. Then they hope to recruit some more straight people to their way of life since they can't reproduce their kind.
LMAO... You are a total tard.
 
curling said:
I think their agenda is make a homosexuality to be percieved as normal behavior so that more people think being gay is ok. Then they hope to recruit some more straight people to their way of life since they can't reproduce their kind.

I think you're definetly on to something there!




Ummmmm.............NO. Dumbest thing I have ever heard.
 
to slowly infiltrate the school systems, boy scouts and priesthood. Conon Obrien actaully has a copy of the gay agenda manual.
 
curling said:
I think their agenda is make a homosexuality to be percieved as normal behavior so that more people think being gay is ok. Then they hope to recruit some more straight people to their way of life since they can't reproduce their kind.


Why would we want to recruit straight people? Hell, straight people supply us with enough new members to our ranks. I never heard of a gay couple having a homosexual baby. It's always you hetero people that give birth to gay babies. Ya'll fucked.
 
AAP said:
Why would we want to recruit straight people? Hell, straight people supply us with enough new members to our ranks. I never heard of a gay couple having a homosexual baby. It's always you hetero people that give birth to gay babies. Ya'll fucked.
poor curling gets owned enough
he might as well start playin' for the other team
 
There is no friggin conspiracy. the problem is this.
Anyone with sense agrees that the gay community should have the same rights as everyone else. However, a semantic issue exist. The word marriage carries a meaning that is tied to religion and ideas of family. Homosexuals cannot reproduce and have their own children, therefore they are incapable of having true families and the experience of raising one's own children. When you allow the redefinition of the word(idea) marriage, to include gays, you essentially dilute the strength of the idea(word) and what it stands for. Marraige comes from religious tradition and has always implied a man and a woman. It's not fair for an outside belief system to adapt the idea of marriage to include them, its simply not their tradition to define. Legal unions that allow all the same privlidge under the law should be considered. However, consider this. It's fact that people who are married with children are less costly on society by far! People who raise children have greater incomes, and are cost the health care system less. This is why the government legally promotes the ideas of marraige through incentives. Do gay couples exihibit behavior that is not as healthy as hetero couple with children? something to think about
 
GREGORY said:
I never really saw the reason why people are so obsessed with gayness. It onestly never mattered to me. As a true Christian i don't judge anyone and have the same friendly face to every person i meet. It just does not matter whether they're gay or anything else, it's a human being. Now whether it's genetic is debatable, i'm sure some guys are gay due to some event that took place at some time in their life, while others might be genetically programmed like that, I mean it's not like we have a shortage of people who suffer thinking they were born the wrong sex, so why not be born gay? In the end all any of us ever want is to be accepted and happy.




Nice post :)
 
Listen, all I did was answer the question and people give me crap for my answer. If you don't want opinions, don't ask for them. Simple as that.
 
gamorrah said:
to slowly infiltrate the school systems, boy scouts and priesthood. Conon Obrien actaully has a copy of the gay agenda manual.
they have pretty much got the priesthood infiltrated
well save for a few setbacks lately
 
The whole "hate gays" thing comes from the people's need to feel better than others.
People say..."I may smoke and beat my wife and cheat on my taxes....but at least I'm not Gay....I'm not That bad."
The list of people it is acceptable to hate has dwindled.
It's not longer politically correct to hate Jews, Catholics, Retards, Blacks, Mexicans, Irish, Italians....
in private, yes, but not in public.
But you can still say in public that you're better than gays and wetbacks and...and.....
yeah, that's about all.
 
I dont hate gays at all, I could really care less. I do get tired of the continually having the "gay lifestyle/culture" jammed down my throat |0| , by the liberal media and Hollywood. Quite frankly, Hollywood would have you believe that homosexuals are the norm, thats far from true, they are natural, because they exist in nature, it is not normal as it contradicts biological necessity.
I dont have to approve of watching gays or straights openly exploit their sexuality in public. I think people get sick of continually having gay rights thrown in their face, no one gives a shit if your gay, just shut the f*7k up about it and live your life like everyone else. Its like when Ellen, the very funny comedian came out of the closet on her show, after that every joke was about being gay. No one really cares, gays should quit thinking they do, there no more interesting or important then anyone else. I just think they are extra sensitive due to all that extra estrogen.
 
gamorrah said:
I dont hate gays at all, I could really care less. I do get tired of the continually having the "gay lifestyle/culture" jammed down my throat |0| , by the liberal media and Hollywood. Quite frankly, Hollywood would have you believe that homosexuals are the norm, thats far from true, they are natural, because they exist in nature, it is not normal as it contradicts biological necessity.
I dont have to approve of watching gays or straights openly exploit their sexuality in public. I think people get sick of continually having gay rights thrown in their face, no one gives a shit if your gay, just shut the f*7k up about it and live your life like everyone else. Its like when Ellen, the very funny comedian came out of the closet on her show, after that every joke was about being gay. No one really cares, gays should quit thinking they do, there no more interesting or important then anyone else. I just think they are extra sensitive due to all that extra estrogen.

That is what I don't like either. If they would stay in the closet I wouldn't care what they did.
 
gamorrah said:
it is not normal as it contradicts biological necessity.


no flame intended...if this is true than i guess the womans g-spot should be left untouched because it serves no "biological necessity" and can ususally only be stimulated "manualy"...................right?
 
PERFECTWORLD said:
no flame intended...if this is true than i guess the womans g-spot should be left untouched because it serves no "biological necessity" and can ususally only be stimulated "manualy"...................right?


Im pretty sure stimulating the g-spot manually increases the lubrication of the vagina, preparing a woman for sex (reproduction). Foreplay is part of sex, is that not true in the gay world? "Im joking of course"
It's also irrelevent to my point. Sexual orientation is critical to biological success. Having nerve endings inside a vagina may be relevent to foreplay or just the way the body evolved. It does not matter as long as sperm makes it to egg. The purpose of mankind from a biological perspective is reproduction. Staying alive long enough to reproduce, and keeping your children alive long enough to reproduce. It's all about passing ones DNA. Conciousness is just another tool to accomplish the task of survival/reproduction. Nature does not care about anyone's feelings, or about the ideas of religion/philosophy. If you dont reproduce, you have failed biologically. Which in the case of some people is a good thing. Thats not to say that we should criticize people who dont reproduce, it's just that reproduction is the real meaning of life, like it or not.
 
gamorrah said:
Im pretty sure stimulating the g-spot manually increases the lubrication of the vagina,


no actually its is scientificly proven it serves no purpose other than pleasure ....not for reproduction or lubrication.....and it isnt stimulated by the penis.





(this argument is how im securing my future 3-way btw...."god wants us to be happy baby see? why would he make it if he didnt?...lol) :p
 
PERFECTWORLD said:
no actually its is scientificly proven it serves no purpose other than pleasure ....not for reproduction or lubrication.....and it isnt stimulated by the penis.



(this argument is how im securing my future 3-way btw...."god wants us to be happy baby see? why would he make it if he didnt?...lol) :p

regardless of how irrelevant it is to the gay issue... it is in fact very possible to hit G with the penis
 
Robert Jan said:
regardless of how irrelevant it is to the gay issue... it is in fact very possible to hit G with the penis

irrelevant?...in my church they told me "sex for procreation only"...this IS how the right thinks....not that they practice what they preach ..i was raised very republican and VERY christian...anyway my point is if we can have sex for pleasure....than it shouldnt matter if its with a dood ...if thats what you want...thats all.
 
Robert Jan said:
in fact very possible to hit G with the penis

if you have a Severely curved penI (which i would have a doctor look at btw)... i guess it MIGHT be possible.
 
How is pleasure not a purpose? Eating is not pleasurable? it serves no purpose? Pleasuring a woman makes her wet, right? We are getting off point here. what is the point actually?
there are things in life that dont necessarily have an easy to realize function and are a by product of ongoing evolution, however the primary biological function is reproduction, adapt or die. The rule for all cellular life. Gay's are abnormal, in the sense that they are biologically inclined to be sexually attracted to people of the same sex, which means that they are not adapted for reproduction. The primary purpose. Robert, please teach me how to bend my penis to hit my wifes g-spot
 
gamorrah said:
How is pleasure not a purpose? Eating is not pleasurable? it serves no purpose?
this is why americans are so fat ...they think that the box of hohos will make them happy for a minute ...but it doesnt...eating is fuel...not pleasure imo....you are right...we are off topic....
 
PERFECTWORLD said:
irrelevant?...in my church they told me "sex for procreation only"...this IS how the right thinks....not that they practice what they preach ..i was raised very republican and VERY christian...anyway my point is if we can have sex for pleasure....than it shouldnt matter if its with a dood ...if thats what you want...thats all.

True, it is how the right thinks. Im a conservative atheist. I dont beleive in god and its ridiculous tenants. And you should have and enjoy sex with whoever you want to, the problem is that if you dont reproduce you fail biologically, thats your decision to live with and one that will have greater impact as you age. I have no moral problem with gays, everyone has that right. I am just saying it's abnormal development in nature. I hope your very happy, honestly.
 
well our bodies do not have the ability to tell good foods from bad, bodies take along time to adapt , 10000 yrs type long. Im pretty sure the ding dongs and all the crap food has only been around a little while. Your brain just cant tell teh difference between fructose and all the manufactured sugars.
 
gamorrah said:
I hope your very happy, honestly.
lol....I get it.Your very clever ..incorrect but funny. My enite point is the right fucking sucks they make life WAY to difficult ..with silly ideas about "failing biologically" ect...did god tell you that?) and make the world a horrible place and should be shot on site ...thats all sunshine :)
 
WODIN said:
The right wing agenda is to be able to stone gay people to death.

Not far from the truth. I know someone that has a gay relative and has received hate messages about him. You think the haters are left wingers? LMAO. It's always right wing extemists. You know, the Bush supporters.
 
PERFECTWORLD said:
no actually its is scientificly proven it serves no purpose other than pleasure ....not for reproduction or lubrication.....and it isnt stimulated by the penis.





(this argument is how im securing my future 3-way btw...."god wants us to be happy baby see? why would he make it if he didnt?...lol) :p
bor if you can stimulate the g-spot well,they will gush
have em' lay on their tummy
then slide your thumb in and work that bastard
you might have to remind em' they aren't gonna pee
 
PERFECTWORLD said:
if you have a Severely curved penI (which i would have a doctor look at btw)... i guess it MIGHT be possible.
if you do,and it doesn't have to be severely
just adjust the direction of your thrusts
anyhow getting sidetracked
about this sex for procreation only
perhaps,but why is 98% of sperm designed and tasked with killing other sperm?
 
4everhung said:
if you do,and it doesn't have to be severely
just adjust the direction of your thrusts
anyhow getting sidetracked
about this sex for procreation only
perhaps,but why is 98% of sperm designed and tasked with killing other sperm?
Bukkake ....
































best post ever:heks:
 
true biological fact
kind of messes with the one man one women edict
sort of a sideshow,but over time the penis has evolved(most of this occuring in the 100,000 some-odd years before recorded history)in such a way that the larger shaped head pulls the cum of the previous "lover" from the vagina so that the recent depositer's "combat sperm" is more numerous and can better win the "fight"
the Fight being getting the actual reproductive sperm to the goal
also read this journey of the reproductive sperm is equivalent to a 64 mile treck for a human
 
also too,explains the longer length of the "african" origin males
since the climate was decidely of a higher average temp,it was evolutionary advantageous to deposit the sperm deeper
 
However, consider this. It's fact that people who are married with children are less costly on society by far! People who raise children have greater incomes, and are cost the health care system less. This is why the government legally promotes the ideas of marraige through incentives. Do gay couples exihibit behavior that is not as healthy as hetero couple with children? something to think about[/QUOTE]


Sorry WRONG. For many YEARS it has been well known and studied by economists that gay people have MORE disposable income. Why else would there be such a surge and rush for advertisers to target the gay market? Gay cruise ships, gay ads in mainstream magazines, etc etc. Kids cost MONEY. Is it not more expensive for a payroll deduction for a FAMILIY deduction? More kids, more health care expense, school clothes, no need for me to go on and on. Same could be said for a hetero man/woman couple that NEVER have kids.
 
DonnieRobertsNY said:
However, consider this. It's fact that people who are married with children are less costly on society by far! People who raise children have greater incomes, and are cost the health care system less. This is why the government legally promotes the ideas of marraige through incentives. Do gay couples exihibit behavior that is not as healthy as hetero couple with children? something to think about


Sorry WRONG. For many YEARS it has been well known and studied by economists that gay people have MORE disposable income. Why else would there be such a surge and rush for advertisers to target the gay market? Gay cruise ships, gay ads in mainstream magazines, etc etc. Kids cost MONEY. Is it not more expensive for a payroll deduction for a FAMILIY deduction? More kids, more health care expense, school clothes, no need for me to go on and on. Same could be said for a hetero man/woman couple that NEVER have kids.[/QUOTE]

yeah but rush has had 3 divorces....and oriely has phone sex with interns...oh wait we agree...nevermind...
 
True, marriage has primarily been associated with a religious ceremont, with religious overtones. HOWEVER, marriage can be performed by a priest, a pastor, a rabbi, etc. AS WELL AS a Justice of the Peace, any judge, a city mayor for that matter, so it is also a civil ceremony.

Most gays would be fine with the Civil Union idea if it conferred all the same rights and benefits as traditional marriage BUT its one drawback, a civil union is not automatically recognized by all 50 states the way marriage is. THAT is a problem from a legal standpoint.

I live very close to Vermont, the first state to adopt state level Civil unions.
People that travel from VT. to where I live in NY, a mere 30 min. drive, and BANG! They loose all the rights (medical benefits > car crash > hospital > emergency room > signing/autorizing medical treatment) just cause they hopped in the car, took a 30 min. drive, and crossed the state line.

So if we even adopt civil unions on a national state by state basis, we must forever stay within "our state" if we want full and equal protection.

Somthing to think about.
 
nobody read my thread about the key point
correct the differences between the treatment of the disposal of one's estate between cicvil unions and "married" couples
you'll are arguing semantics
give the "civil unions" the same treatment as spouses in a "married" situation upon death
(i.e. allow the un-taxed transfer of assets of the deceased to the partner,or if I'm not up to date,at least commensurate with the distribution that "married" couples enjoy.)
 
PERFECTWORLD said:
Sorry WRONG. For many YEARS it has been well known and studied by economists that gay people have MORE disposable income. Why else would there be such a surge and rush for advertisers to target the gay market? Gay cruise ships, gay ads in mainstream magazines, etc etc. Kids cost MONEY. Is it not more expensive for a payroll deduction for a FAMILIY deduction? More kids, more health care expense, school clothes, no need for me to go on and on. Same could be said for a hetero man/woman couple that NEVER have kids.

yeah but rush has had 3 divorces....and oriely has phone sex with interns...oh wait we agree...nevermind...[/QUOTE]

OOPS! WoW! That post i did,,,,,the greay area,,says it was originally posted by me! it was not! that's why i continued on and said >wrong etc etc

this board works a bit different than what im used to........ guess next time i should do full quotes and then it might put the correct persons name / handle in?

i dont do blogging or whatever it's called that much,,,,,,,,, learning as i go
 
4everhung said:
nobody read my thread about the key point
correct the differences between the treatment of the disposal of one's estate between cicvil unions and "married" couples
you'll are arguing semantics
give the "civil unions" the same treatment as spouses in a "married" situation upon death
(i.e. allow the un-taxed transfer of assets of the deceased to the partner,or if I'm not up to date,at least commensurate with the distribution that "married" couples enjoy.)

there is a gay guy at my work...his biggest problem is his sister is a weasle who stole tons of money from misc. relatives after they died...all he he wants is his partner to have some rights if he was on his deathbed to visit and keep the vultures at bay...i have no problem with that..in fact it makes me sad.
 
PERFECTWORLD said:
there is a gay guy at my work...his biggest problem is his sister is a weasle who stole tons of money from misc. relatives after they died...all he he wants is his partner to have some rights if he was on his deathbed to visit and keep the vultures at bay...i have no problem with that..in fact it makes me sad.


That kinda crap is the reason that if I ever get a "partner" "significant other" "husband" whatever they wanna call it,,,,,,,,,i'm moving to Vermont and staying there!!! besides i can see it from my window!!
 
4everhung said:
nobody read my thread about the key point
correct the differences between the treatment of the disposal of one's estate between cicvil unions and "married" couples
you'll are arguing semantics
give the "civil unions" the same treatment as spouses in a "married" situation upon death
(i.e. allow the un-taxed transfer of assets of the deceased to the partner,or if I'm not up to date,at least commensurate with the distribution that "married" couples enjoy.)
But civil unions are NOT recognized nationwide,,,,,, only in the individual state where the paperwork was filed. THAT is the one big problem with civil unions
 
DonnieRobertsNY said:
That kinda crap is the reason that if I ever get a "partner" "significant other" "husband" whatever they wanna call it,,,,,,,,,i'm moving to Vermont and staying there!!! besides i can see it from my window!!
yeah it sucks they have been together for 12 years too....i feel so bad for gay people...i dont know why "christians" would wish such heartache on others.
 
PERFECTWORLD said:
there is a gay guy at my work...his biggest problem is his sister is a weasle who stole tons of money from misc. relatives after they died...all he he wants is his partner to have some rights if he was on his deathbed to visit and keep the vultures at bay...i have no problem with that..in fact it makes me sad.
so you see that is the issue to be corrected
just leave the word "marriage" out of the equation
and pass a bill giving civil unions the same legal posture as "married" couples upon death of the "spouse"
 
PERFECTWORLD said:
yeah it sucks they have been together for 12 years too....i feel so bad for gay people...i dont know why "christians" would wish such heartache on others.

anyone ever tells me that i can't visit my other 1/2 in the hospital (if i ever get a "other 1/2" lol) is gonna get a beating.........

shit no one believes me now when i tell em i'm gay,,,,,, they say im too butch and muscular to be gay! maybe i'll just lie and say "i'm his lawyer" ;)
 
4everhung said:
so you see that is the issue to be corrected
just leave the word "marriage" out of the equation
and pass a bill giving civil unions the same legal posture as "married" couples upon death of the "spouse"


but what if that partner is in a hospital while both are on vacation three states away from the home state where the civil union was performed?

the ONLY out would be for civil unions to be federally recognized state by state as marriage is,,,,,,,,,,, and technically even states do NOT have to recognize OTHER states Hetero marriages,,,,,,,,, it's just always been done
 
4everhung said:
so you see that is the issue to be corrected
just leave the word "marriage" out of the equation
and pass a bill giving civil unions the same legal posture as "married" couples upon death of the "spouse"
yeah man...cool with me ...i dont know if thats cool with them...for me its the injustice you know.i hate to see anyone suffer....they could dress up like elvis and get married skydiving for all i care. :)
 
DonnieRobertsNY said:
but what if that partner is in a hospital while both are on vacation three states away from the home state where the civil union was performed?

the ONLY out would be for civil unions to be federally recognized state by state as marriage is,,,,,,,,,,, and technically even states do NOT have to recognize OTHER states Hetero marriages,,,,,,,,, it's just always been done
quit being picky donnie
what'll you have me do?
spell out all the legal language to bring this to fruition?
 
PERFECTWORLD said:
yeah it sucks they have been together for 12 years too....i feel so bad for gay people...i dont know why "christians" would wish such heartache on others.


Well i'm a "Christian" or a Catholic to be exact and don't wish this on to others. Stop stereotyping and your views will broaden.
 
DonnieRobertsNY said:
but what if that partner is in a hospital while both are on vacation three states away from the home state where the civil union was performed?

the ONLY out would be for civil unions to be federally recognized state by state as marriage is,,,,,,,,,,, and technically even states do NOT have to recognize OTHER states Hetero marriages,,,,,,,,, it's just always been done

^ Important point many do not realize regarding Hetro marriage
This explains best the Conservative Right's agenda on Gay rights..
Understand that there is currently NO federal law governing Hetro marriage rights either between the states.

Legally, any State can deny your "Hetro" marriage if you move outside of the state in which you were married in.
I think this gap should be solidified at the Federal level both for Hetro and Homosexual unions.
Otherwise, any individuals married in Vermont(gay friendly) and moving to Georgia(not) would surely be embroiled in a legal battle every time.
What a mess that would be.
 
4everhung said:
I'm not a homophobe in the least
hell I enjoy going to gay clubs occassionally
but it is much more difficult to "learn" to take a cock up the ass than it is for a women to take a cock in her pussy
and I know from speaking to women about butt love
and I honestly can't see any difference from an anatomatical angle in the male and female anus
this is not to say that it can't be enjoyable
but anal sex is "learned",plain and simple
even oral sex is learned
straight vaginal male-female sex is almost born known

YET MANY MEN STILL FAIL TO MAKE WOMEN ACHEIVE ORGASM..RESORTING TO WOMEN "FAKING"
 
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PERFECTWORLD said:
lol....I get it.Your very clever ..incorrect but funny. My enite point is the right fucking sucks they make life WAY to difficult ..with silly ideas about "failing biologically" ect...did god tell you that?) and make the world a horrible place and should be shot on site ...thats all sunshine :)


How am I incorrect? and about what?

I agree, the right does suck in many ways. And it's sad the way they have treated gays.

Like I said, I dont beleive in god, and failing biological has nothing to do with ethics or morals, it's just biological fact. No emotional response or meaning need be tied to it. Sin is an idea of man, it has nothing to do with nature. I think there is nothing wrong with homosexuality, they just dont have a right to redefine marriage, a tradition that was never meant for them.

I hope all people are happy, why would I be insincere about that statement?

Because you receive hate and predjudice from being gay, don't paint me as a bigot or other people. Sounds like your tolerance may be a little low. Life is as hard as you make it. If your sure everyone is out to get gays you will see it everywhere, If you look to the good side of people you will see that they really don't care as long as your a good person and dont force them to believe as you do.

You become what you think!


that will be $120 please
 
11 RED states had gay Marriage ban on the ballot...this is a well known Right wing ideology ...if you voted for bush you vote to make just about everyone on the planet sad and unhappy...abortions are up...crime is up...poverty is up..children left behind..pain and suffering way the fuck up....yay 4 more years!!! good job guys !!!Yippee
 
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PERFECTWORLD said:
11 RED states had gay Marriage ban on the ballot...this is a well known Right wing ideology ...if you voted for bush you vote to make just about everyone on the planet sad and unhappy...abortions are up...crime is up...poverty is up..children left behind..pain and suffering way the fuck up....yay 4 more years!!! good job guys !!!Yippee


your ridicuous, I hate to even take the time to address it.

PERFECTWORLD said:
11 RED states had gay Marriage ban on the ballot...this is a well known Right wing ideology


Marriage is a tradition created by these religious right wingers, civil unions are a better idea.

why do you infer that all conservatives beleive in the moral/religous stance of the far right. Im a conservative because I beleive in these things.

less government (both sides are making it bigger)

military supremacy (critical to people who actually believe in reality)

capitalism ( socialism ruins economies and allows elites all the power ) (in capitalism man is free and bound only by his desire and abilities )

fiscal accountability (Bush has been horrible)







...if you voted for bush you vote to make just about everyone on the planet sad and unhappy


He made the majority of US citizens happy! check the vote. I find it funny how liberals only like to tolerate democracy when it goes their way. Who gives a crap what the world thinks, friggin grow up and read history, we created democracy and freedom, Ill spill my blood before I will answer to anyone but MY ELECTED OFFICIAL, why do the left wingers continually want to give up our power to some sort of world court, a court that is corrupt beyond anything the US has experienced, Charaq and Kofi may go to prison over the food for oil scam, and they should all be treated as war criminals for the horrors they have allowed worldwide.

...abortions are up (Im pro choice, dumb asses should use birth control)

...crime is up (wrong! check the FBI crime reports)

here is one clip http://www.cnn.com/2004/LAW/10/25/fbi.violent.crime/


...poverty is up
( could not find any info for 2004, anyways thats a complicated issue, far beyond Bush's control, anyways most economist say that he has handled the economy well, he just tends to say yes to everybill and has spent us into oblivion!)

..children left behind..pain and suffering way the fuck up

what the fu*%^&, put down the bong and turn off the Moore movies.
Provide some actual info please! Im middle class with 2 kids. My wife an I both work hard and are very happy our kids are great, same with my friends. Why do you have such an opinion? Is your opinion by chance what you see and read from the media, or have actually seen this pain and suffering going on everywhere?


....yay 4 more years!!! good job guys !!!Yippee



cheer up and try to see the good things in life. There are always good things in both sides, America is great because of this compromise between extremes.
 
PERFECTWORLD said:
11 RED states had gay Marriage ban on the ballot...this is a well known Right wing ideology ...if you voted for bush you vote to make just about everyone on the planet sad and unhappy...abortions are up...crime is up...poverty is up..children left behind..pain and suffering way the fuck up....yay 4 more years!!! good job guys !!!Yippee
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He made the majority of US citizens happy! check the vote. I find it funny how liberals only like to tolerate democracy when it goes their way. Who gives a crap what the world thinks, friggin grow up and read history, we created democracy and freedom, Ill spill my blood before I will answer to anyone but MY ELECTED OFFICIAL, why do the left wingers continually want to give up our power to some sort of world court, a court that is corrupt beyond anything the US has experienced, Charaq and Kofi may go to prison over the food for oil scam, and they should all be treated as war criminals for the horrors they have allowed worldwide.
<<<<<<<ABOVE IS A QUOTE>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>

Forgive me if i sound like i'm ranting i just got out of work at midnite and am still a bit revved up,,,,,,,,,, more likely Bush won the popular vote NOT because he made more people HAPPY but because he made them feel more SAFE & SECURE, from all the phony threats & lies he and his entire administration have been spewing about the supposed "terrorist threat".

Give up all your rights (Patriot Act I & II) and Daddy (Bush & Co.) will protect you.

We live in such a period of time as to be surrounded by dumbasses that can't logically think for themselves (and those that even try are squandered by the media controls and blackouts of true information) that they all fell for it and gave him his damned perceived "mandate". None the less is was FAR from a landslide so at least there is hope that just a little under 50% of that popular vote is still thinking.........

Red states? hmmm i wonder!!! I went back home to visit family in Okalhoma ( a supposed RED state) a few weeks before the election,,,,,,,,, I was hard pressed to find ANY Bush/Cheney signs,,,,,,,,they were far outnumbered by Kerry/Edwards,,,,,,,,,, and when I got back here in Upstate NY, I saw maybe 3 Bush/Cheney signs................
 
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Forgive me if i sound like i'm ranting i just got out of work at midnite and am still a bit revved up,,,,,,,,,, more likely Bush won the popular vote NOT because he made more people HAPPY but because he made them feel more SAFE & SECURE, from all the phony threats & lies he and his entire administration have been spewing about the supposed "terrorist threat".

911 actually happened, we should have been at war with terrorist since the 1984 Iran crisis!


Give up all your rights (Patriot Act I & II) and Daddy (Bush & Co.) will protect you.

Paranoia! Demonstrate a single incident that a US citizen has lost his rights!


We live in such a period of time as to be surrounded by dumbasses that can't logically think for themselves (and those that even try are squandered by the media controls and blackouts of true information)


Same amount of dumbasses as always, its just easier to manipulate them nowadays.

what media control! Must be part of the mind control conspiracy or Illuminati

that also applies to the news and rumours of the left. I find them actually superior at the disinformation game. Just inferior at strategy.


that they all fell for it and gave him his damned perceived "mandate". None the less is was FAR from a landslide so at least there is hope that just a little under 50% of that popular vote is still thinking.........


Are you implying that people who voted for Bush are intellectual inferior?
How biggoted, unlike the Bush cabinet that has appointed more women and blacks to positions of real power then any other cabinet in history.BTW, our state congressional representative Jim Kolbe is a conservative republican and Gay.





Kerry got his ass kicked, which means we still have balls to do what is right. The world has more respect for us now, then if we showed we were spineless like the French by voting in the hollow socialist Kerry.


Red states? hmmm i wonder!!! I went back home to visit family in Okalhoma ( a supposed RED state) a few weeks before the election,,,,,,,,, I was hard pressed to find ANY Bush/Cheney signs,,,,,,,,they were far outnumbered by Kerry/Edwards,,,,,,,,,, and when I got back here in Upstate NY, I saw maybe 3 Bush/Cheney signs................[/QUOTE]


Whatever, you saw the vote, democracy works, Just dont get so opinionated that you cant see both sides of the coin. Neither party is looking out for you.
Granted being gay may put you in a position that you see a lot more hate from the right, but dont feel so bad, Im an atheist so I get as well. As they say commies, fags and atheist. Most of that hate is generated out of the bible belt. The bible pretty much condemns fags, so I guess you could say you would be a bad christian to support homosexuals. But also realize that it really is a small majority of people that are that hateful. Most only feel threatened when gays want to change a very important institution to fit them or stick their sexuality in people's faces. Frankly, I love you as a fellow human being , but the thought fo gay sex is repulsive to me and most hetero's. You can read above why Im against gay marriage, but for civil unions.

Im a deadhead, I was a vegetarian and environmentalist, for 10 years I was a green party member. I was also a beer guzzling college athelete and young republican on the debate team. Now I am an independent and make a point to try to see both sides. The left wingers , lie, cheat and steal with the best of them. They simply fabricate truths to create rumor. The right uses this false sense of morality to manipulate many of the voters. They also take the patented school yard bully mentality of "your a pussy if you disagree." The scary thing about the left wingers is that they are so out of touch with the nature of man. As Alexander Haig said, "they operate under the principal that all people are perfectable." In other words, they feel that you can reason with all people and violence is never exceptable. What a nice candy coated idea, its just completely contrary to any facts about nature and history. The fact is that the future is for the bold, and The only thing evil (fascism) needs to succeed is for good men to do nothing. Frankly thats the main reason I was pro Bush. I beleive in cleaning up the world, I would like the UN to do it, but they have proven to be impotent and corrupt. In the Muslim world, if your homesexuality was discovered you would have been beaten and killed. Dont think for a second that the terrorist or corrupt powers of the mideast are not looking for a Muslim world and the termination of the Jews. Hell the french are being taken over and are some of the most hateful anti-semetic people in the world.

The USA is the best and even though we have some hateful , narrow minded people. We are still way ahead in totality of other parts of the world. Some people need religion and pure secular countries seem to suffer in many ways. You are a US citizen and therefore a brother of mine. I would die to protect your right to be butt rammed, You should quit looking at as a divided country and realize that with the exception of the exteme elements, all people really want the same things out of life.
 
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gamorrah said:
How am I incorrect? and about what?

I agree, the right does suck in many ways. And it's sad the way they have treated gays.

Like I said, I dont beleive in god, and failing biological has nothing to do with ethics or morals, it's just biological fact. No emotional response or meaning need be tied to it. Sin is an idea of man, it has nothing to do with nature. I think there is nothing wrong with homosexuality, they just dont have a right to redefine marriage, a tradition that was never meant for them.

I hope all people are happy, why would I be insincere about that statement?

Because you receive hate and predjudice from being gay, don't paint me as a bigot or other people. Sounds like your tolerance may be a little low. Life is as hard as you make it. If your sure everyone is out to get gays you will see it everywhere, If you look to the good side of people you will see that they really don't care as long as your a good person and dont force them to believe as you do.

You become what you think!


that will be $120 please

dude....i can tell from your av you are white....does this mean you dont care about blacks getting a fair deal.....You can tell from my flag i live in america...does that mean i dont care what happens to people in iraq?...this is way off topic ...just answer me please....mmmkay
 
your a mindless child! Where in my statement would you ever get that idea?

Do you actually have anything intelligent to say or a point to make that is relevent to gays right to marriage or anything that has been discussed so far. This is my last response to your riduculous charges without any substance or wit.
 
because you called me gay..which i am not...but i give a fuck about everyone...thats what i was saying...mindless child lol...how do you like your glass house there Einstein ?.....
 
Who cares what the agenda is. It is just wrong, men were made for women and women for men. Think about it.
 
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