abou the kEto diet vs regular low carb

[MS]

It all depends on the type of keto diet, rez. On a CKD it's a good idea to minimize carbs until your carb-up. Some people say less than 30 grams per day, others say as close to zero as possible. If you're on an Atkin's style keto diet (no carb-ups) then cheese is OK as long as it fits into your daily allowance of carbs. But even Atkin's recommends you get as many of your carbs as possible from fibrous veggies. All cheeses have carbs, it's just a matter of quantity. If you're not on a keto diet, then the advice to reduce or eliminate milk is for similar reasons. You can lose fat with milk in your diet, but it is still a good idea to get most of your carbs from fibrous veggies or whole grains/beans IMHO.

The guy that one the National open title in my country (2 years ago now) was still drinking 6 liters of non-fat milk per day until 2 weeks out from competition. But he was on a huge amount of gear and was a very experienced and controlled dieter (and a walking chemist LOL). So milk, per se, is not bad if you're not allergic to it. But it is calories and it includes carbs so that has to be taken into account.

 

[La0Tz3]

half cup of skim milk, 3oz heavy cream, or soy milk are all too high in carbs i believe. just take the whey on its own. get an instantised whey powder which mixes well in water. most protein powders have enough carbs in a serve that it might stop ketosis on its own, so be sure to stick to whey protein isolate. (90% or so)
the reason people say to avoid cheese is not that it causes stalls in ketosis - my theory at least, is that the basis for the myth of the cheese stall is that it is very high in calories, 350-400 calories for 100g of cheese, a few thick slices and voom you've blown your calorie deficit for the day.
i definitely recommend eating vegetables on a keto diet, if you spread the servings throughout the day so you're eating like a cup of vegetables at a couple of meals each, and you choose low carb veges like broccoli and cauliflower (the latter makes great mock-rice - grate it and boil, taste test for al dente or whatever its called hehe) its definitely not going to knock you out of ketosis. adding a carby sauce will though.
make sure you take a multivitamn or two per day because i had real vitamin deficiencies, looking back on some 6 months of lowcarbing. muscular cramps, bruising on your skin, shooting muscle pains are some of the joys you can look forward to if you lowcarb without supplementing vitamins carefully.
good luck, it works if you stick with it and dont cheat

 

[missyd143]

thanks but wwhich whey powder mixes well in water? i take eas u ?
and i heard whey on its own is bad

 

[Sal]

I eat alot of cheese on CKD diet...i seems to satisfy me and curb my appetite even more. The best cheeses to eat are....Brie, Havarti, FULL fat deli style American, Gyuere...and for cream cheese use the whipped kind.

I would not use prot shakes too much especially whey beacuse they are FAST absorbing and enter blood stream quickly...all those aminos can easily kick you out of ketosis.

Sal