abou the kEto diet vs regular low carb

[missyd143]

is it better to have a half cup of skim milk, 3oz heavy cream, or soy milk before bed mixed with whey? i am also thinkin that doin moderate intensity cardio 3x a week and low carb is better than keto...we need some carbs but not to much to burn fat..am i right?

not exptremely cuttin but want more visible abs'''' thanks'''''

also can you achieve abs while on low carb or does it have to be keto..on low carb is soy milk better than nonfat milk at night/(( half cup)))

 

[Sal]

Couple of things you gotta know about keto first.

Shoot for ZERO carbs.
Try not eat too many processes foods.
KETO diet burns fat more than any other IMO.

!!!!!..EAT A DIET OF %75 FAT %25 PROTEIN..!!!!!!

Ok, now do you want to do a KETO or CKD variation of KETO??
I think that the CKD variation allows for greater maintaining of muscle and also adding some too in a alot of cases. In the CKD you carb up after going a week in ketosis...Let me know if you would like me to go into that...although im sure you could do a search and find a wealth of info.

On a typical diet your right you do need carbs to furn fat but KETO/CKD is not typical

You can achieve visible abs on ANY diet as long as you have trained them so that the abs are there loll...and your bf is low enough...im not sure where you got the idea that you had to do low-carb or keto to get abs??

NO SKIM MILK ON KETO
NO SOY MILK ON KETO
NO MILK PERIOD

If doesnt list the amount of carbs on package of food....and its not fresh meat/oil/fat...then DONT EAT IT....Even if it does, read ingredients cause alot of the "no carb" foods have sugars etc added but they dont list them. If it has sugar, corn syrup, etc..dont eat it. Get some keto-stix from pharm to check ketone levels...it may take up to 4 days to get into keto but after a while your body will get in quicker after carb-up(if doing CKD).

As for the heavy whipping cream its ok...but NOT .5C....that has enough carbs to keep you out or bump you out of ketosis...

Also why not just do BOTH cardio and KETO...your fat loss will be excellent if done right....just keep cals at or below maintence....i do 10 x bw.

 

[MS]

Whether you do a keto or just lowered carb diet you should DITCH the milk. No soy milk, No cow's milk. Eat all of your carbs from fresh, fibrous veggies if you do keto. If you are just lowering your carbs then you might add in some WHOLE grains such as oats or brown rice, but no milk.

 

[Sal]

I suggest not eating any veggies on CKD....Dont risk it....Shoot for ZERO carbs every day. This is how you will maximize fat-loss.

Sal

 

[MS]

Ummmm fine sal, you do it your way, but I was referring to educated veggie intake such as celery and lettuce which essentially contribute no carbs other than fiber, plus lots of vit A, vit C and potassium which are also good on a keto.

 

[big calvin]

sal, do u ever take a crap? ohh i forgot ,holding it in helps maximize fat burning

lol

 

[Enock]

also can you achieve abs while on low carb

Many different ways to do so. Any of the diets can get you there you just have to go w/ what you can tolerate and what works for you and yes even those that include dairy. I can attest to that.

 

[Sal]

sal, do u ever take a crap? ohh i forgot ,holding it in helps maximize fat burning

lol

Havnt taken a shit since my last carb-up thursday...probably wont have another for a couple more days...ohh well

Sal

 

[Advaik]

Havnt taken a shit since my last carb-up thursday...probably wont have another for a couple more days...ohh well

Sal

Serious question, do you find that you lose alot of weight taking a crap after not taking one for so long? I heard you can hold up to 7lbs of crap.

 

[rez]

no dairy?

so the general concensus seems to be that no dairy cheese or milk should be taken on this diet? I thought cheese was ok..it has no carbs.
Also, how do you get enough calcium?

 

[MS]

It all depends on the type of keto diet, rez. On a CKD it's a good idea to minimize carbs until your carb-up. Some people say less than 30 grams per day, others say as close to zero as possible. If you're on an Atkin's style keto diet (no carb-ups) then cheese is OK as long as it fits into your daily allowance of carbs. But even Atkin's recommends you get as many of your carbs as possible from fibrous veggies. All cheeses have carbs, it's just a matter of quantity. If you're not on a keto diet, then the advice to reduce or eliminate milk is for similar reasons. You can lose fat with milk in your diet, but it is still a good idea to get most of your carbs from fibrous veggies or whole grains/beans IMHO.

The guy that one the National open title in my country (2 years ago now) was still drinking 6 liters of non-fat milk per day until 2 weeks out from competition. But he was on a huge amount of gear and was a very experienced and controlled dieter (and a walking chemist LOL). So milk, per se, is not bad if you're not allergic to it. But it is calories and it includes carbs so that has to be taken into account.

 

[La0Tz3]

half cup of skim milk, 3oz heavy cream, or soy milk are all too high in carbs i believe. just take the whey on its own. get an instantised whey powder which mixes well in water. most protein powders have enough carbs in a serve that it might stop ketosis on its own, so be sure to stick to whey protein isolate. (90% or so)
the reason people say to avoid cheese is not that it causes stalls in ketosis - my theory at least, is that the basis for the myth of the cheese stall is that it is very high in calories, 350-400 calories for 100g of cheese, a few thick slices and voom you've blown your calorie deficit for the day.
i definitely recommend eating vegetables on a keto diet, if you spread the servings throughout the day so you're eating like a cup of vegetables at a couple of meals each, and you choose low carb veges like broccoli and cauliflower (the latter makes great mock-rice - grate it and boil, taste test for al dente or whatever its called hehe) its definitely not going to knock you out of ketosis. adding a carby sauce will though.
make sure you take a multivitamn or two per day because i had real vitamin deficiencies, looking back on some 6 months of lowcarbing. muscular cramps, bruising on your skin, shooting muscle pains are some of the joys you can look forward to if you lowcarb without supplementing vitamins carefully.
good luck, it works if you stick with it and dont cheat

 

[missyd143]

thanks but wwhich whey powder mixes well in water? i take eas u ?
and i heard whey on its own is bad

 

[Sal]

I eat alot of cheese on CKD diet...i seems to satisfy me and curb my appetite even more. The best cheeses to eat are....Brie, Havarti, FULL fat deli style American, Gyuere...and for cream cheese use the whipped kind.

I would not use prot shakes too much especially whey beacuse they are FAST absorbing and enter blood stream quickly...all those aminos can easily kick you out of ketosis.

Sal