why are the people on the powerlifting board small and putup lot of weight

[vinylgroover]

Spatts,

If your comment was directed at me, i wasn't referring to your numbers or to you personally. Yours were not the numbers i was referring to as 'ridiculous'.

I'm sure there are many powelifters who are clean, but like most strength sports, steroids have a far bigger say in the outcome than any god given genetics for strength.

 

[The Shadow]

It is a very individualized thing....strength

 

[Hannibal]

Ok I am going to be as diplomatic in my reply as possible. If the guys in the pics don't look that big...perhaps you should look again. Its like looking at a basketball game...when a forward stands next to a center he doesn't look that tall...but next to someone else he is tall. Its all a matter of perception. Okie and Screwball are both in the 300 neighborhood...I'm only 245 or so, and Benchmonster is 235 or so. Spatts and Project, 185 and 195 respectively, both put up some HUGE PR's and they didnt use any equipment.

Besides that...strength and size are not directly related. Strength is more a function CNS and muscle recruitment. The more muscle you have...the more potential you have for strength. If size and strength were a direct correlation then Ronald Coleman and Lee Priest would be cleaning up at the WPO...when in fact I doubt they could break the top 50 in the PLUSA rankings.

Now to get to the equipment debate....does a shirt help...hell yeah. Depending on the federation...it is a part of the sport...just like a Titanium Drivers are a part of Golf. Powerlifting is the same as any sport. You try to get the best performance within the rules. For you NASCAR fans...before each race they get a spec sheet...and they try to squeeze every last ounce of horsepower out of their car...as long as it is within the rules. College Baseball players could use wooden bats if they wanted too...but do they?? What makes powerlifting any different?

For the record...there are federations for "raw lifters" or drug free lifters...but you never hear much about them. The bottom line is this...if you think that the shirt does all the work...and you think that those guys don't look that big...then throw one on and hit the platform. You wont even have to workout...just drop the shirt off at the gym...and pick it up an hour later or so. I mean if it is that easy...you could show us all a thing or two...I'm always willing to learn.

 

[TheProject]

Hey nclifter...is that you in your avatar?

 

[vinylgroover]

For the record...there are federations for "raw lifters" or drug free lifters...but you never hear much about them. The bottom line is this...if you think that the shirt does all the work...and you think that those guys don't look that big...then throw one on and hit the platform. You wont even have to workout...just drop the shirt off at the gym...and pick it up an hour later or so. I mean if it is that easy...you could show us all a thing or two...I'm always willing to learn.

Spatts,

I didn't even look at the pics, so i can't comment. It's irrelevant to the point i was making. I was just talking in generalities

Hannibal,

I don't want to sound like a wet blanket, but there is no such thing as a federation for 'raw' athletes. Athletes, cheat, always have, always will, particularly where strength is involved. I find it very difficult to believe that a tiny federation which is financed on the smell of an oily rag, has anywhere near the sophistication or money to enable it to test it's athletes effectively.

By saying this, i am not implying that all strength athletes use drugs, far from it.

 

[The Shadow]

Group hug...








































































followed by the smurf orgy at Spatts place

 

[The Shadow]

True that on perception.
I got labelled as "skinny" by a spouce of a cast mate.


When I was in boxers on stage it turned from skinny to cut.

People throw arounf the terms skinny nad cut interchangibly it seems

 

[Hannibal]

Hannibal,

I don't want to sound like a wet blanket, but there is no such thing as a federation for 'raw' athletes. Athletes, cheat, always have, always will, particularly where strength is involved. I find it very difficult to believe that a tiny federation which is financed on the smell of an oily rag, has anywhere near the sophistication or money to enable it to test it's athletes effectively.

By saying this, i am not implying that all strength athletes use drugs, far from it.

OK...I do understand what you are saying. Well, at least for the "oily rag" comment. However, there needs to be some clarification. A "raw" athlete in this instance is one that is not wearing any supportive equipment. That is very easy to "test" for...so that is a moot point.

http://www.adfpa.com/

That is the website of one of the drug free powerlifting federation. Having said that...I do agree with you that some athletes cheat...always have and will. But juiced bodybuilders beat the test and compete in "natural" contests. So I am not sure of your point as it pertains to this discussion.

 

[TheProject]

Project - lol I'm kidding bro....don't kmake me moderate this thread....

Last edited by Cornholio on 28-July-2002 at 11:17 PM

 

[vinylgroover]

Right, my mistake re: your definition of 'raw' in this instance.