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why are the people on the powerlifting board small and putup lot of weight

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im taking a guess...but i think its gootta be in the bench shirts i mean these guys dont even look like they workout to me. some one inform me

theres a link to the pics.....i hear alot of these people claiming that they put up big numbers but they look small as hell and i even think some of them juice too????doesnt make since to me i always thought these dudes were huge that were giving all the advice on the powerlifting board

http://photos.yahoo.com/bc/xdecieve...erx/lst?&.dir=/Okie+Crew+Meet&.src=ph&.view=t

it makes me wonder sometimes is it the benchsuits and the wraps and things like that doing all the work, i mean these guys just dont look big?????i look a hell of alot bigger and dont put up as much weight as these guys. oh well what do you guys think? is it the benchsuits?????someone help me understand
 
Thre is a difference between traing for size and training for strength - although they are related
 
lol@pink


She's right about it though - a bench shirt will help....a lot - so will a spring under your ass when you squat.
 
Some people are just strong for their size. I'm 5'7 175lbs and can bench 295 (max). I know thats not a lot of weight but for my size It's way above average. Big guys at the gym used to give me shit cus I lift as much as they do. Mind you, I'm not big at all but I'm a lot stronger than I look.
 
First of all, I'm gonna go on record as saying I find your question offensive.

I'm the smallest guy in those pics, and I'm 6', 195. Do I put up huge numbers? Hell no, but I've only been training 1 year. My bench went from around 45-65lbs in one year to a 232lb one rep max, no shirt, and I have video to prove it.

As far as the okie crew? Those guys are fucking BIG. I'm talking 280lbs BIG.

Yeah, we don't actually move any weight, we just put this shit on and it's magic.

Hannibal gave me a quote once, from Louie Simmons: "I keep a bottle of testosterone sitting on a triple-layer bench press shirt in the back of my gym, but I have yet to see it bench 5 pounds. To be great it takes planning, work, dedication, courage, and aggression. If you lack one of these, you will fail and you have no one to blame but yourself. Losers hate winners, so It’s better to be hated in powerlifting than to hate."
 
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Project isn't usually this big of a jerk - lol

The topic was bench shirts and they do however help you move more weight than raw....

Project - PUHLEASE don't tell me that test WILL NOT help athletic performance - lol
 
Cornholio said:
Project isn't usually this big of a jerk - lol

The topic was bench shirts and they do however help you move more weight than raw....

Project - PUHLEASE don't tell me that test WILL NOT help athletic performance - lol
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Yeah, I'm the ass here. The topic, as I saw it, was "how come these guys are small?" And I'll take being called small by comparison, but the okies and Hannibal are not small. Spatts isn't small for a female lifter either.

Agreed, shirts help you move more than you can raw, from 50-100lbs, and some can get more out of them.

Wasn't saying that test won't help performance, or that a shirt won't help. But any of that gear won't put up the weight by itself.
 
NC Lifter,

I don't know any of those people so won't comment on them, but for most others, when i see ridiculous weight to strength ratio's it's pretty safe to assume steroids.
 
Project - lol I'm kidding bro....don't kmake me moderate this thread....
 
Spatts,

If your comment was directed at me, i wasn't referring to your numbers or to you personally. Yours were not the numbers i was referring to as 'ridiculous'.

I'm sure there are many powelifters who are clean, but like most strength sports, steroids have a far bigger say in the outcome than any god given genetics for strength.
 
Ok I am going to be as diplomatic in my reply as possible. If the guys in the pics don't look that big...perhaps you should look again. Its like looking at a basketball game...when a forward stands next to a center he doesn't look that tall...but next to someone else he is tall. Its all a matter of perception. Okie and Screwball are both in the 300 neighborhood...I'm only 245 or so, and Benchmonster is 235 or so. Spatts and Project, 185 and 195 respectively, both put up some HUGE PR's and they didnt use any equipment.

Besides that...strength and size are not directly related. Strength is more a function CNS and muscle recruitment. The more muscle you have...the more potential you have for strength. If size and strength were a direct correlation then Ronald Coleman and Lee Priest would be cleaning up at the WPO...when in fact I doubt they could break the top 50 in the PLUSA rankings.

Now to get to the equipment debate....does a shirt help...hell yeah. Depending on the federation...it is a part of the sport...just like a Titanium Drivers are a part of Golf. Powerlifting is the same as any sport. You try to get the best performance within the rules. For you NASCAR fans...before each race they get a spec sheet...and they try to squeeze every last ounce of horsepower out of their car...as long as it is within the rules. College Baseball players could use wooden bats if they wanted too...but do they?? What makes powerlifting any different?

For the record...there are federations for "raw lifters" or drug free lifters...but you never hear much about them. The bottom line is this...if you think that the shirt does all the work...and you think that those guys don't look that big...then throw one on and hit the platform. You wont even have to workout...just drop the shirt off at the gym...and pick it up an hour later or so. I mean if it is that easy...you could show us all a thing or two...I'm always willing to learn.
 
Hannibal said:


For the record...there are federations for "raw lifters" or drug free lifters...but you never hear much about them. The bottom line is this...if you think that the shirt does all the work...and you think that those guys don't look that big...then throw one on and hit the platform. You wont even have to workout...just drop the shirt off at the gym...and pick it up an hour later or so. I mean if it is that easy...you could show us all a thing or two...I'm always willing to learn.
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Spatts,

I didn't even look at the pics, so i can't comment. It's irrelevant to the point i was making. I was just talking in generalities

Hannibal,

I don't want to sound like a wet blanket, but there is no such thing as a federation for 'raw' athletes. Athletes, cheat, always have, always will, particularly where strength is involved. I find it very difficult to believe that a tiny federation which is financed on the smell of an oily rag, has anywhere near the sophistication or money to enable it to test it's athletes effectively.

By saying this, i am not implying that all strength athletes use drugs, far from it.
 
True that on perception.
I got labelled as "skinny" by a spouce of a cast mate.


When I was in boxers on stage it turned from skinny to cut.

People throw arounf the terms skinny nad cut interchangibly it seems
 
vinylgroover said:

Hannibal,

I don't want to sound like a wet blanket, but there is no such thing as a federation for 'raw' athletes. Athletes, cheat, always have, always will, particularly where strength is involved. I find it very difficult to believe that a tiny federation which is financed on the smell of an oily rag, has anywhere near the sophistication or money to enable it to test it's athletes effectively.

By saying this, i am not implying that all strength athletes use drugs, far from it.
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OK...I do understand what you are saying. Well, at least for the "oily rag" comment. However, there needs to be some clarification. A "raw" athlete in this instance is one that is not wearing any supportive equipment. That is very easy to "test" for...so that is a moot point.

http://www.adfpa.com/

That is the website of one of the drug free powerlifting federation. Having said that...I do agree with you that some athletes cheat...always have and will. But juiced bodybuilders beat the test and compete in "natural" contests. So I am not sure of your point as it pertains to this discussion.
 
nc lifter,

This is another thread that you started where you don't know what you are talking about. Just like that 100 post thread where you stereotyped all steroid users and everyone ripped into you for sounding like an idiot.

Why dont you get a shirt and go into competition? I bet you havent even been to a powerlifting contest or tried on a shirt so until then shut up and dont bash something you know nothing about-powerlifting.
 
OMG we dont look strong?? that doesnt mean we dont move big weights.
Your thread came off as very insulting to a few of us PLers

Look at some powerlifters...who are small but put up big numbers....
James Sweet- 1450 total @ 144lbs
Ricky dale crain- 800 squat at 165
Garry frank- 2600+ total at SHW

Pictures wont do anyone justice.... have someone like Screwball stand next to sometime average size in a pic and than tell us he is small.


Strength is about the way that you train...
Hell look at me. when i was 14, i put up a 300 squat in competion , 175 bench, full pause in comp. (195 touch n go), 360 deadlift....all at 129 lbs.


Does the gear do all the lifting for me? NO! without the gear i could put up a 260 squat, 195 bench, and 360 dead.... lifting equipment isnt a miracle thing like most people think..
 
I don't want to sound like a wet blanket, but there is no such thing as a federation for 'raw' athletes. Athletes, cheat, always have, always will, particularly where strength is involved. I find it very difficult to believe that a tiny federation which is financed on the smell of an oily rag, has anywhere near the sophistication or money to enable it to test it's athletes effectively.
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The AAU sponsors mostly raw meets. I have had athletes lift at quite a few of them.

Several federations test their athletes. There are a variety of ways of covering the cost of this. Several federations test as per IOC standards. While this testing is far from perfect, it is as comprehensive as the law allows.

I have been a strength athlete for 31 years. Care to guess how offensive I find your statement, as I have always competed within the rules?

And some of us use little to no lifting equipment. I no longer even wear a belt when I deadlift.

In my gallery are several pictures of athletes of varying sizes. Lamar Gant was the most successful. 15 IPF world championships. All time deadlift records at 123 and 132, pulling 5x bodyweight in both classes. He is also the smallest man in my gallery. Furnas, who totalled 2400, out weighed him by only 150 pounds, and out pulled him by a little less than that.

NYClifter, you obviously know even less about strength than you do about AAS.

You remind me of my son, about 6 years ago, anyway.
 
Looks like you hit a nerve nc!!! You would have got some more informative replies if you had phrased your post differently :). But anyway.......

I'm not a powerlifter......however, I train like one, but I don't compete so I figure I am not one. I also, have the benefit of training in a gym containing some very good bodybuilders. So I get to see both sides of the story. I have several points to make:

Point 1: There is more to being strong than having big muscles. Some of the other posts give details so I wont waste my time.

Point 2: Bench shirts can increase your bench press. The amount you get out of a shirt varies from nothing upto 100 or so lb. A 100lb benefit is rare.....and it takes alot of time and effort to get a shirt to give you this much. So when a powerlifter puts up say 600lb, he is strong......no two ways about it.

Point 3: Powerlifters are judged on how much they lift at a meet using very strict criteria. At no point does looks come into it. Notice how the pics you posted were taken at a meet.....

Point 4: There are some of the big names in powerlifting on the PL board. They dont just claim to lift big......they have done so and their records are available if you ask them.

nclifter6feet6 said:
http://boards.elitefitness.com/forum/showthread.php?threadid=161283

im taking a guess...but i think its gootta be in the bench shirts i mean these guys dont even look like they workout to me. some one inform me

theres a link to the pics.....i hear alot of these people claiming that they put up big numbers but they look small as hell and i even think some of them juice too????doesnt make since to me i always thought these dudes were huge that were giving all the advice on the powerlifting board

http://photos.yahoo.com/bc/xdecieve...erx/lst?&.dir=/Okie+Crew+Meet&.src=ph&.view=t

it makes me wonder sometimes is it the benchsuits and the wraps and things like that doing all the work, i mean these guys just dont look big?????i look a hell of alot bigger and dont put up as much weight as these guys. oh well what do you guys think? is it the benchsuits?????someone help me understand
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TheProject said:


Hannibal gave me a quote once, from Louie Simmons: "I keep a bottle of testosterone sitting on a triple-layer bench press shirt in the back of my gym, but I have yet to see it bench 5 pounds. To be great it takes planning, work, dedication, courage, and aggression. If you lack one of these, you will fail and you have no one to blame but yourself. Losers hate winners, so It’s better to be hated in powerlifting than to hate."
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Although I agree with the sentiment of quote, I think it is flawed. If I were to take a crane and put it in my yard it would not lift a thing. A man in my yard might lift a few hundred pounds. Put the crane and the man together and the combination will lift several thousands of pounds.

Havign said that......most people outside of powerlifting overestimate the effectiveness of shirts.
 
Well I'm a powerlifter and I'll put the equipment in perspective. My best lifts in the 165 lb weight class are:

With equipment :
485 squat 336 bench 402 deadlift

No equipment:

415 squat 315 bench 425 deadlift

Notice that my best raw deadlift was higher without the deadlift suit.
 
TheProject said:
First of all, I'm gonna go on record as saying I find your question offensive.

I'm the smallest guy in those pics, and I'm 6', 195. Do I put up huge numbers? Hell no, but I've only been training 1 year. My bench went from around 45-65lbs in one year to a 232lb one rep max, no shirt, and I have video to prove it.
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damn :bawling: .....im jealous, post a link to your routine dammit i want a new one ! :D
 
wow this is alot of posts

the project -yeah that is me in the avatar and im all natural. currently 255 18inch biceps decent bodyfat(bulking) and i dont put up 500 pounds on the bench like some of these fellas with there shirts on though. im sorry if i flamed you all .....


but in SPORT, i do not respect ATHELETES that wear all these suits and wraps AND TAKE JUICE OR DRUGS. but thats only in SPORT.but if lifting for looks i could careless if u take drugs or not, but this is about the bench suits and all that bullshit you wear. i think sports like powerlifting these days is really who takes the best and most drugs and who has the best bench shirts or wears the most bench shirts or wrist wraps or squat suits as OPPOSED to competing for RAW STRENGTH.

i havent read all the posts here but i think thats all i have to say
 
well i dont wanna be to negative on this thread....sooo

i wanna comment on spatts. you have a nice plump round ass it seems in those pics, great job on your bootyiusmaximus
 
Arioch said:


The AAU sponsors mostly raw meets. I have had athletes lift at quite a few of them.

Several federations test their athletes. There are a variety of ways of covering the cost of this. Several federations test as per IOC standards. While this testing is far from perfect, it is as comprehensive as the law allows.

I have been a strength athlete for 31 years. Care to guess how offensive I find your statement, as I have always competed within the rules?
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I never implied that all powerlifters or strength athletes take steroids. This notion of a 'clean' federation or 'natural' federation is nonsense. There are only clean athletes or athletes who take steroids.

Do these federations you talk about test out of competition, how often, with what methods. The majority of federations do not have the money to undertake comprehensive testing. Simply testing someone the day before they are competing is ludicrous, you may as well not test. I mean have a look at the numbers of top level athletes who escape detection from organisations such as the IOC, IAAF etc etc who throw millions of dollars at testing.

The point i am making. Whenever i see ridiculous numbers posted in powerlifting contests, it's hard not to be sceptical.
 
Yes, they test out of comepetition. It is difficult due to the legal ramifications of surprise testing vs. invasion of privacy.

No, there is no truly clean federation, although both the AAU and the USAPL make the best effort the law allows (withing the US).

If you compare the numbers put up between these federations and the federations that do not test, guess whose are larger?

The idea of testing is not to catch everyone. It is well known that it is imposible. However, it does seem to function as something of a deterrent, and until invasive testing proceedures are allowed, it is about the best that can be done.
 
vinylgroover said:


I never implied that all powerlifters or strength athletes take steroids. This notion of a 'clean' federation or 'natural' federation is nonsense. There are only clean athletes or athletes who take steroids.

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I guess you have no respect for olympic athletes either since a lot of them juice. My most competitive lifts were done before I juiced. I got stronger on juice but I also jumped 3 weight classes and my lifts weren't as competitive.

Also a lot of people that bash powerlifters for using equipment are the same people that lift their ass up off the bench and squat half way down. Try adding a pause at the bottom of your bench press and see how much it takes off your bench.
 
naaaaa im not a moron high intensity....im actually a big horney bastard who likes women with big asses and one that is stating a very valid point

but back on point this is why i dont really care for sports or competions. (note im not against people who use roids even though im natural). the reason i think sports and strength competitons have gone to shit is now a days drugs are the main thing that is doing the work in sports and competions. and im not whining cause i cant bench 500. for it to be a real competion to test man versus man it should be all natural competions with out any help from drugs or suits that would get my respect. lets think about it johnny joe benches 500 and has decent bench shirt and billy willy benches 600 but his bench shirt has much more technology in it and he has better wrists wraps and hes taking more shots of testorone then johnny joe. so billy willy wins cause he has better "help" then johnny joe.

maybe im the only one that sees my point
 
and the same goes for these so called natural bodybuilding competions. in which they cant test for shit like growth hormone.....and people cheat so many ways. they need to get better methods of testing before i have any respect for people that juice for the sport. like i said before now a days its a competion who can stick the most needles in there ass
 
Fast Twitch Fiber said:


I guess you have no respect for olympic athletes either since a lot of them juice. My most competitive lifts were done before I juiced. I got stronger on juice but I also jumped 3 weight classes and my lifts weren't as competitive.

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Here we go.

Of course i don't have respect for Olympic Athletes that take steroids. Are you trying to tell me that i should respect them solely for the fact that they still put in hours of training, make sacrifices etc etc. IT IS CHEATING. I HAVE NO RESPECT FOR ANYONE WHO TAKES THE EASY WAY OUT. I politely stated my point up till now, but you sir are a wanker. If you have respect for athletes that cheat, and the last time i checked, taking steroids in 98% of sports is considered cheating, then god help you. I don't give a fat frogs ass how many hours of training they put in, until sports federations pass a law that states taking steroids is acceptable, they won't get any respect from me, nor should they from you.

Idiot
 
wow priscilla your even hotter than spatts. very nice voluptous thighs. i bet you got a big booty too! :) damn priscilla im still druling over them thick thighs, you got a pretty face too. mmmmm can both of you women come to nc and umm and show me how tight u can squeez those glutes hehehehe i doubt id last a minute your too cute :) spatts got a perty ass too and nice big muscular thighs too bad she cant take a compliment

ohh but back on topic

i will second what vinyl groover said
 
nclifter6feet6 said:
wow priscilla your even hotter than spatts. very nice voluptous thighs. i bet you got a big booty too! :) damn priscilla im still druling over them thick thighs, you got a pretty face too. mmmmm can both of you women come to nc and umm and show me how tight u can squeez those glutes hehehehe i doubt id last a minute your too cute :) spatts got a perty ass too and nice big muscular thighs too bad she cant take a compliment

ohh but back on topic

i will second what vinyl groover said
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Show some fucking respect you scrawny little turd
 
i think the USAPL does a decent job on trying to keep it drug free.. will they catch everyone? of course not.
I myself have been drug tested by the USAPL after a meet.

USAPL is imo a pretty clean fed (on the state level. when it gets to worlds and stuff more and more people juice)


and lol @ IRBD 's comment.
 
thaibox is experiencing:mad: :mad: :mad: :mad: :kaioken: :kaioken: roid rage:silly:

spatts...you can track karma now?? can i give you karma for your bootiusmaximus
 
pricsilla has reached the level of masterfull bootyfullness.. she does have some insane deadlift and bench press numbers!!!
 
nclifter6feet6 said:
but back on point this is why i dont really care for sports or competions. (note im not against people who use roids even though im natural). the reason i think sports and strength competitons have gone to shit is now a days drugs are the main thing that is doing the work in sports and competions. and im not whining cause i cant bench 500. for it to be a real competion to test man versus man it should be all natural competions with out any help from drugs or suits that would get my respect. lets think about it johnny joe benches 500 and has decent bench shirt and billy willy benches 600 but his bench shirt has much more technology in it and he has better wrists wraps and hes taking more shots of testorone then johnny joe. so billy willy wins cause he has better "help" then johnny joe.
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Ok...the more you try to validate your point the more you reveal your ignorance. In your poor attempt at an analogy...johnny joe and billy willy BOTH have access to the same "magic shirt" store. So if johnny joe doesnt have as good a shirt as billy willy it is his own fault. THE SHIRT DOES NOT DO THE WORK FOR YOU. It does change the dynamics of the lift...but you still have to WORK!

If you have never had a bench shirt on....then how do you know what they do?? How can you talk about something that you obviously know nothing about?? When I lift I will wear everything that the federation allows....as I would expect all of my competitors to do. And I don't give a fuck if you respect me or not...
 
HighIntensity said:
Hannibal

what are your three lifts?
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My three lifts are in progress....

Competing in Dec and I plan to:
Squat 650-700
Bench 450+
DL 600

Of course that bench is pretty much ALL SHIRT. I can do about 135 raw...but by December my super-duper,hydraulic,spring loaded, triple kevlar shirt should be in....so I should get about 300lbs of help out of that...considering I spent $2K on it...I better..or I will sue for false advertisement.
 
Hannibal said:


My three lifts are in progress....

Competing in Dec and I plan to:
Squat 650-700
Bench 450+
DL 600
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I think this little pissing contest is over

thats moveing some weight, and no I do not believe NCputz could ever do half these lifts
 
I'm only 5'5", 185 pounds and on heavy days I rep 3x4 doing 305.

I don't know if that's good, but I know the dudes I train with, who are taller can't do it. But they are wimps :)
 
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http://photos.yahoo.com/bc/xdecieve...rx/lst?&.dir=/asylum+%2b+Okie&.src=ph&.view=t

ok this is the guy that 450 bench 600 dead 700 squat he is the guy in the blue shirt
http://photos.yahoo.com/bc/xdecieve...rx/lst?&.dir=/asylum+%2b+Okie&.src=ph&.view=t
heres another one. he is in the blue shirt

http://photos.yahoo.com/bc/xdecieve...rx/lst?&.dir=/asylum+%2b+Okie&.src=ph&.view=t
again in the blue shirt

hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm its gotta be the elbow wraps wrist wraps bench shirts squat suits and other apparatuses that i dont know about lifting the weight. you be the judge

you have to be signed in to yahoo to veiw these pics also
 
HighIntensity said:

I think this little pissing contest is over
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This was never meant to be a pissing contest. I have not competed yet...so those numbers are speculative. But I know thats what I will do when I hit the platform. Didn't post them as a means to brag...in the powerlifting world I will be humbled.

And to be honest I do see where he is going with his point...about there never being a level playing field. But the way he is presenting it is offensive. And the fact that he is speaking about things that he does not have first hand experience with is ignorant.

There may not be such a thing as a level playing field anymore. But should one use that as an excuse to sit and home and never compete. Competition in an individual sport such as powerlifting or bodybuilding is all about surpassing your previous limits. As weak as it sounds...its about being the best you can be. In the truest form of competition you are only competing with yourself.
 
nclifter6feet6 said:
http://photos.yahoo.com/bc/xdecieve...rx/lst?&.dir=/asylum+%2b+Okie&.src=ph&.view=t

ok this is the guy that 450 bench 600 dead 700 squat he is the guy in the blue shirt
http://photos.yahoo.com/bc/xdecieve...rx/lst?&.dir=/asylum+%2b+Okie&.src=ph&.view=t
heres another one. he is in the blue shirt

http://photos.yahoo.com/bc/xdecieve...rx/lst?&.dir=/asylum+%2b+Okie&.src=ph&.view=t
again in the blue shirt

hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm its gotta be the elbow wraps wrist wraps bench shirts squat suits and other apparatuses that i dont know about lifting the weight. you be the judge

you have to be signed in to yahoo to veiw these pics also
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Okay, you lost me here...are you saying this because he's not lean? Do you need to see a picture of Hannibal and I side by side to figure this one out? He outweighs me by 50 lbs, and has been strength training for a long time. Is it all that unreasonable to think that his bench can be roughly double mine?

Wrist wraps give you support, I could take or leave the elbow wraps. And on most of our training days, he's not benching shirted.

If you really think it's that big a deal to bench with a shirt, order one. Get it to fit right, learn to use it, then come back and tell me that it's magic.
 
nclifter6feet6 said:
hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm its gotta be the elbow wraps wrist wraps bench shirts squat suits and other apparatuses that i dont know about lifting the weight. you be the judge
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You figured me out...you're too smart for me. I would invite you to come train with us...so you could see my equipment in action, but unfortunately there are no mirrors in my gym....

you're not worth it....
 
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