when you think you have the perfect diet , thing again .

[VictorBR]

lol, I know. And I apologize as that post was quite out of character for me.

However, this is the 2nd thread I've seen started by Victor where he talks about things like they are facts, when he is quite far off from the truth. This is the guy who said you HAD to train in a rep range of 10-12 (or maybe it was 8-12, can't remember) for hypertrophy to occur.

Now, he's saying you MUST eat egg whites, and you WILL lose muscle after 2 hours of sleeping if you consume whey pre-bed, and that you want fat in your diet (except he gives a completely low-balled amount). If you don't know what you're talking about that's fine...as long as you don't act like you do.

>>>> I never said anything is a FACT on this thread . When I said egg whites are a MUST , it is because IN MY OPINION they are a MUST . If you disagree , just say so and I won't have a problem with that .

First , the only FACT that I stated and THIS is a FACT , is that 8-12 reps is better for PURE muscle hypertrophy , than 5 REPS . this is a FACT .

NOW , of course you are still going to grow doing 5 REPS , SPECIALLY when taking 3 g AAS per week like most here DO . But when training with 5 reps , you are not AIMING at pure muscle hypertrophy , you are aiming at muscle hypertrophy AND STRENGHT . So , unless you are a powerlifter , I don't see the point . Like I said , most of the pros stay in the 8-12 range . I really dont' believe that Ronnie or Jay prepare for the O. with 5 reps .

Second , when I said you will lose muscle if you take whey and go to bed , I was only TRYING TO say ( it is not my fault if you couldn't catch it ) that since the whey protein digest QUICK ( 2 hours ) , after 2 HOURS IT IS MORE likely that you will enter a catabolic environment , that doesn't necessarily means that you WILL lose muscle , BUT you could . why risk ? It is much better to take some kind of protein that will digest over a 6 hour period .


OH , on last thing . I see that I pissed off a lot of people when I created that thread about 5 REPS not being optimal for growth .

IF any of you haters CAN SHOW me a STUDIE with individuals , ( NO AAS USING OF COURSE ) , that half of them is training with 5 reps and other half
is training with 8-10 reps , and the 5 rep group GREW more than the 8-12 rep GROUP . Then I will shut up forever .

But untill THEN I will keep saying 5 reps is way overrated and you should stick with 8-12 reps if your goal is pure muscle hypertrophy and not muscle hypertrophy and strenght .


Victor

 

[sublime35]

once the food you eat is used up for energy/fat storage, your body doesn't go straight to burning muscle. Your body starts using liver glycogen after carbs and proteins are digested and does this for 12hrs. or so. Then after that, the body will start using fat and or muscle as its energy source.

 

[VictorBR]

BTW- thanks for all the other people that replied .

one last thing :

After I created that thread ( about the 5x5 ) , that thread was such a mess that I didn't even reply to it . why argue ? 5x5 lovers can do whatever they want , but they would be growing much more staying in the 8-10 rep range .

And now , every now and then , when I create a thread about something that HAS NOTHING to do with the fucking 5 , 8 or 100 rep range and then , there is always someone busting my balls about that shit .

you know what ? I am tired of this shit , if you are going to jump on my thread to bash me and talk about that shit , something that has NOTHING to do with the THREAD itself I am gonna start to give negative karma like crazy and I am gonna bash you BACK 100 x .



Victor

 

[VictorBR]

once the food you eat is used up for energy/fat storage, your body doesn't go straight to burning muscle. Your body starts using liver glycogen after carbs and proteins are digested and does this for 12hrs. or so. Then after that, the body will start using fat and or muscle as its energy source.

>>> I see bro , but still for someone who is not eating carbs before bed , it is still always good to use some slow digesting protein .

Victor

 

[sublime35]

oh i totally agree, that slow protein is best, I just wanted to clear that up, for all people really, that you don't go straight from food to muscle.

 

[VictorBR]

oh i totally agree, that slow protein is best, I just wanted to clear that up, for all people really, that you don't go straight from food to muscle.

>>

BTW - I think I am gonna stick to casein protein . Any other suggestions bro ?


Victor

 

[anthrax]

4) Using whey protein before going to sleep , it digests in 2 hours , this means you would start losing muscle after 2 hours sleeping . Althought I do take fish oil with the whey before going to bed which slows down the absorption , it is not the best thing to do . From now on , I am gonna stick to CASEIN PROTEIN before going to sleep , casein digests slowly and will keep delivering protein to your muscles for at least 6 hours .

LOL
No way bro
It's more complicated than that

Whey + fiber + fat is just FINE

But if you want to try some chalk, Imean casein, it's certainly better

 

[sublime35]

>>

BTW - I think I am gonna stick to casein protein . Any other suggestions bro ?


Victor

nope that's what I would go for, You could do some kind of lean meats if you wanted, but I've heard of some people having indigestion when eating "heavier" things like meats right before bed. It suits me fine and you could try it out for yourself if you wanted.

 

[VictorBR]

LOL
No way bro
It's more complicated than that

Whey + fiber + fat is just FINE

But if you want to try some chalk, Imean casein, it's certainly better

>>> I see , but fiber is still carbs right ? If you are trying to eliminate carbs before bed , you are stuck with whey + fats , which is good , but as we all agree , casein is still the best choice .

I never used casein before , why do you say chalk ? LOL , does it taste that BAD ?


Victor

 

[VictorBR]

nope that's what I would go for, You could do some kind of lean meats if you wanted, but I've heard of some people having indigestion when eating "heavier" things like meats right before bed. It suits me fine and you could try it out for yourself if you wanted.

>>> red meat before going to bed would probably disturb my sleep , maybe some chicken ? Chicken digests slowly , right ?

Or maybe an omelet with white eggs , fat free cottage cheese and onions ?


Victor