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I think that you can get huge without drugs...I KNOW that you can. Getting huge AND being lean? I don't think so.
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What is the biggest one can get naturally??
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benchmonster
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If you really honestly want to know how big and cut a person can get while being clean, then go and find some pictures of the most muscular and cut people that you can find, and make sure the pictures were taken before the 1950's.
I am pretty sure that scientists came up with nandralone in 1956, somebody can correct me if they know different. Before that, everybody was clean, because there was no choice. After that, you have to take a person's word on whether they are clean or not.
I can count on one hand the number of people whom I would beleive if they told me they were clean. It has nothing to do with the type of physique they sport, it has to do with what I know about their character.
If you want to stay clean, stay clean. Don't compare yourself to others. Compete with yourself from a year ago.
If you want to be a serious competitive bodybuilder, or powerlifter, or whatever, you had best come to grips, that you are competing against those who juice. If you are not going to do it, and insist on competing against those who do, you are going to be disapointed a lot.
Tim Bruner says if you are not willing to go on the juice, you had better get used to being left behind.
You can get better than you are now, but you cannot compete against the best of the best, without doing everything to better yourself that they are doing.
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I am pretty sure that scientists came up with nandralone in 1956, somebody can correct me if they know different. Before that, everybody was clean, because there was no choice. After that, you have to take a person's word on whether they are clean or not.
I can count on one hand the number of people whom I would beleive if they told me they were clean. It has nothing to do with the type of physique they sport, it has to do with what I know about their character.
If you want to stay clean, stay clean. Don't compare yourself to others. Compete with yourself from a year ago.
If you want to be a serious competitive bodybuilder, or powerlifter, or whatever, you had best come to grips, that you are competing against those who juice. If you are not going to do it, and insist on competing against those who do, you are going to be disapointed a lot.
Tim Bruner says if you are not willing to go on the juice, you had better get used to being left behind.
You can get better than you are now, but you cannot compete against the best of the best, without doing everything to better yourself that they are doing.
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powerlifterjay
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Well even though drug tests can be beat, why would someone claim drug free and wana be tested randomly? Ya'll remeber Mike Ashley? He was in the olyimpia a few times. Granted i am no expert on old shows but i know for some time he would random drug test to prove he is drugg free. Wether he was caught or not i do not know. But i do know he went a few years doing and saying so. I also remeber when current MR O claimed to be drug free. Check his pics from early 90's. Maybe? You know he has the best genetics you can get. Is it possible? Dont know. But i do know thats 2 guys out of millions. So can you do it now. No way. I dont even believe you can turn pro with out juice. My opinion.
coolcolj
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What about Jean Paul Guilliame? He was pro and definitely natural, hard and tight looking. Not massive, but had big muscles.
Bill Davey and Mike O'Hearn are other natural guys.
You can get as big as your natural testerone levels will allow and maybe 10% more if you train hard and regularly. Once you hit that limit, you can get stronger but not much bigger. That's why as you get older and as Testosterone levels drop, you start to loss muscle mass. Same deal when you stop juicing, Test levels drop and so does the muscle mass.
Your hormones determine how much muscle your body can hold, your training determines if you can reach that limit or not.
Your can't keep getting forever.
Its much easier to get bigger from sacroplasmic growth - muscle goo. Typicaly what BB'es display. Big puffy muscles. Muscle growth from contractile proteins look diffferent, harder and denser. This is the muscle size atheletes normally display.
Bill Davey and Mike O'Hearn are other natural guys.
You can get as big as your natural testerone levels will allow and maybe 10% more if you train hard and regularly. Once you hit that limit, you can get stronger but not much bigger. That's why as you get older and as Testosterone levels drop, you start to loss muscle mass. Same deal when you stop juicing, Test levels drop and so does the muscle mass.
Your hormones determine how much muscle your body can hold, your training determines if you can reach that limit or not.
Your can't keep getting forever.
Its much easier to get bigger from sacroplasmic growth - muscle goo. Typicaly what BB'es display. Big puffy muscles. Muscle growth from contractile proteins look diffferent, harder and denser. This is the muscle size atheletes normally display.
Imnotdutch
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I'm interested to know how you can be sure that somebody is 'definitely natural'? Drug tests can be beaten.....officials paid off etc. There are drugs available that are in and out of your body very quickly or are undetectable. Mebbe I'm just a cynic 
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