What is the biggest one can get naturally??

[SSAlexSS]

I agree. Moreover, even with steroids it doesn't mean that one could reach pro-status..

Arnold was a genetically symetetrical perfect physique...something he was born with..he just maximized that with the use of gear and hard work

arnold had awful symmetry. I bet that he wouldnt even be ALLOWED to copete in todyas olympia...

His symmetry was horrible.... His legs were too small, he lacked mass, his arms + chest are his best parts and even they were are OK.

 

[MarshallPenniford]

SS - I have read many of your posts. Some discuss very interesting things. Your comments about Arnold are nuts though. You should post that you work for Elite Fitness so people will take what you say with a grain of salt!

 

[DR. NOE]

Take a look at some of the old time bodybuilder before steroids and you will see, naturally you will never be as big as roid users, but hey you will live longer. Some formulas are out there that will give you a good idea base on wrist size and a few other measurements.

 

[Phenotype X]

It sucks being all natural. You can never get as big as the pros or even most of the guys who are on unless you have good genetics. I'm probably as all natural as they get, and I have been lifting for about 7 years, and probably training hard for a good 4 years. I have bad genetics and have trouble gaining size. I am the guy who trains naturally, with great consistency and intensity, but still can't gain too much size. Those that are on usually pass me up even if they have been training hard for a year or two.

 

[SSAlexSS]

SS - I have read many of your posts. Some discuss very interesting things. Your comments about Arnold are nuts though. You should post that you work for Elite Fitness so people will take what you say with a grain of salt!

Well. Lets look at it unbiased. I like him as a Movie Star, and a very smart/look to bodybuilder. But he wasnt as great.


SOme of todays pros are slightly better than him.

Dont get me wrong, he had greta arms and chest. But this is BODYBUILDING, not
who has bigger arms and can curl more competition!

 

[aurelius]

to SS

Looks like you just said that the emperor has no clothes!

You´re right on regarding Arnold´s symmetry. But whoever won an Olympia with legs? Speaking of which, I wonder what ol´Tom is up to these days.

 

[aurelius]

You won´t even come close to the size achievable with juice. I see guys in my gym every day lifting casually with shit form doing more talking than pumping and these guys are huge! A testament to the power of AS. You don´t have to lift like a maniac to get big on that stuff, contrary to long winded digressions by some regarding "lifting til you puke" and so on.

 

[SSAlexSS]

Re: to SS

Looks like you just said that the emperor has now clothes!

You´re right on regarding Arnold´s symmetry. But whoever won an Olympia with legs? Speaking of which, I wonder what ol´Tom is up to these days.

Who won Olympia with legs?

All of top 10 guys today have better legs than good ol' Arnie!

Today for example you win with BACK, lee haney dorian and coleman are prime examples. NOT with your arms and chest. Arms and chest went out of fashion 20 years ago as number uno requirment...

Howeever if you have sinnky arnie like legs than I guess top 10 at Oly,mpia is closed for you, no Olympia at all is closed!

 

[aurelius]

to SS

Of course all of the top ten guys have better legs than Arnie. Make that the top 40. Its all relative.

"Arms and chest went out of fashion 20 years ago as number uno requirment... "

Don´t agree. Are you saying that Coleman isn´t packing some heat or hasn´t got what might be considered a massive chest? Having a massive chest and set of guns is now just par for the course.

Right on about winning with the back. Most bb´s only work hard those muscles that they can see. If you have a back, you automtically boost your chances.

Oh well, that´s what sport is. I say potato, you say, well... potato (except with a funny accent)

 

[Robert Jan]

i wanna see a pic of Havoc already. Everybody sayin he rocks and shit and looks roidish while hes natural... lets see it