What A Waste

[Tiervexx]

This is a good post. I know from my own personal experience that I get much better results on a high fat diet. This is not essential, but it helps.

 

[babbabuee]

Nelson, with all due respect, I personally did not attack you in any way and merely requested some sort of evidence backing up your statement. I'm not one to get into any flaming, I have no reason to do so. But I, and some other people, are still waiting for some sort of evidence that backs up your claims. You obviously didn't just make up that claim about protein/fat out of thin air, so please share with the rest of us the data that led you to your conclusion.

 

[mt]

If you're mixing whey or egg white protein in water, you might as well flush it down the toilet.

Protein can not be absorbed without the presense of fat. Without fat, most of the protein will just be converted to glucose in minutes, so that suposedly super anabolic cocktail you think you're drinking is little more than a blast of sugar.

Perhaps I was taking this too literally but it does seem to imply that consuming just protein is pretty much worthless and you might as well eat gummy bears.

 

[Izzman]

Well all aside and correct me if Im wrong, doesnt milk slow down the absorption of protein making it far less effective as a post workout shake versus any other time? Shouldn't be mixed with water for the fastest possible absorption post workout?

 

[onerepmaximum]

Yard bird and beef. Why drink it when you can eat it?

 

[Silent Method]

Knowing the pedantic nature of some of the members, I should have been more specific and said protein is "far less likely to be fully absorbed without fat and much more likely to be converted to glucose", which is absolutely true. The benefits of using milk also stands as do the statements about adding calories while bulking.

It would be nice if people can make their point without condensention or rudeness. Give some people a reason to argue some minute point and the sarcasm and name calling starts right in. Maybe it stems from some sort of insecrurity. Who knows?

Nelson, this lends itself to the same old complaints many of us have with your "past performance" so to speak.

#1. Your first post was very unambiguous: "If you're mixing whey or egg white protein in water, you might as well flush it down the toilet." "Protein can not be absorbed without the presense of fat."

#2. Being dead wrong, NOT ONLY do you pull a rationalized side step, but you insult us as well. Do not insult our intelligence by calling us pedantic. See #1. Your post was unambiguous - and wrong.

#3. You condescendingly provide fiction and attempt to pass it off as unequivocal fact. We reject the falsehood and are understandably irked - both for the falsehood projected as truth and the condescending attitude with which it was presented.

So what happens? Your last paragraph happens. Those who reject your false information are insecure rude jerks that want nothing but argument.


Look Nelson, you were wrong, as are we all from time to time. If you don't want it to sting so much, do not design posts in such a condescending, daddy knows best, this is the Lord’s gospel style. Better yet, don't post the false information as fact. However, if you do, do not be insulting when you are called on it.

 

[BigAndy69]

Nelson, this lends itself to the same old complaints many of us have with your "past performance" so to speak.

#1. Your first post was very unambiguous: "If you're mixing whey or egg white protein in water, you might as well flush it down the toilet." "Protein can not be absorbed without the presense of fat."

#2. Being dead wrong, NOT ONLY do you pull a rationalized side step, but you insult us as well. Do not insult our intelligence by calling us pedantic. See #1. Your post was unambiguous - and wrong.

#3. You condescendingly provide fiction and attempt to pass it off as unequivocal fact. We reject the falsehood and are understandably irked - both for the falsehood projected as truth and the condescending attitude with which it was presented.

So what happens? Your last paragraph happens. Those who reject your false information are insecure rude jerks that want nothing but argument.


Look Nelson, you were wrong, as are we all from time to time. If you don't want it to sting so much, do not design posts in such a condescending, daddy knows best, this is the Lord’s gospel style. Better yet, don't post the false information as fact. However, if you do, do not be insulting when you are called on it.

You go girl!

 

[variation]

you guys should realize, nelson always makes drastic statements at first, to catch attention, it's not always percisely what he means

 

[Juice Authority]

Every day I hear about guys doing something that is dead wrong and it's time that it was addressed.

If you're mixing whey or egg white protein in water, you might as well flush it down the toilet.

Protein can not be absorbed without the presense of fat. Without fat, most of the protein will just be converted to glucose in minutes, so that suposedly super anabolic cocktail you think you're drinking is little more than a blast of sugar.

Whey and egg whites were never meant to be ingested alone. They are by-products of a more complete protein found in nature. And it's natural to have fat present when eating protein. And if you want size, it's absurd to mix protein with skim milk. Everyone is so afraid of the "saturated fat" in whole milk. It's a myth. Saturated fat has actually been shown to improve thyroid function. Fat is not the enemy. Laziness is.
Bodybuilders need fat. And they ESPECIALLY need it when taking in protein. Start mixing protein with whole milk and you'll be amazed how much more effective it is. Even the lactose in milk is good because it's a carb of animal origin and insulogenic. It's amazing how everyone wants to know what drugs to use when the same results can be acheived with food.

And it you're bulking, use Half&Half in your protein shakes. Don't let anyone tell you "It'll make you fat". You can't grow without extra calories. Keep the junk out of your diet, take protein and fat together, and train hard. It's the only way to grow.

Are you saying the straight protein can't be digested without carbs and fat??? So, bascially all those Zero Carb, Zero fat protein drinks just goes to waste???

 

[Dr. M]

Re: Good Info....

Anyone else lactose intollerant? What do you use to mix your protein drinks with?

I'm BIG-TIME lactose intolerant. I buy Lactaid drops and put them in a gallon of milk about 3 to 4 days before I plan to drink it. They alter the flavour slightly - the glucose-galactose (lactose) disaccharide sweetness becomes a mixture of the glucose and galactose monosaccharides' tastes, but I don't mind it. And just to be safe, I take one chewable lactaid ultra with each glass worth of drop-treated milk... otherwise, well - you know how it goes!

-M