What A Waste

[sconoscuito]

now that ckd diet finally makes some sense to me..

 

[boyer]

Daddy: I have yet to try MuscleMilk but I agree with the concept. But there's no need to buy a pre-mixed MRP. Just go to PF and make your own blend that contains some whole egg. Problem solved. And it's a lot less expensive.

This post was desighned to sell Nelson's Protein factory products.


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[SanFrancisconewb]

Well im certainly going to apply Nelson's theory. I have been trying to bulk up forever and drink protein shakes consistently - but w/water. So i will try this. Maybe i will see some results.

 

[easy]

Daddy: I have yet to try MuscleMilk but I agree with the concept. But there's no need to buy a pre-mixed MRP. Just go to PF and make your own blend that contains some whole egg. Problem solved. And it's a lot less expensive.

This post was desighned to sell Nelson's Protein factory products.


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And BINGO was his name O.

 

[Mavy]

I disagree.

Funny that you should mention this Nelson. I was just reading a blurb on this yesterday regaring whey isolate.

Everyone knows that mixing fat with carbs is bad. Mixing whey with milk will only make your shake taste better, add more calories, and slow/decrease digestion. This is because of the casien in milk. I always take my shakes with water and crytal light. It has worked great for me. I always use a high quality whey isolate which makes a huge difference becasue of its BV. Here is the blurb I was reading which tells why you should never mix whey with milk if you want to get the most absorbtion from your protein shake. Take what you want from it. Mavy



Mixing whey with dairy milk does not provide optimal results

At first, it may seem strange to learn that whey protein should not be mixed in milk or milk products like yogurt and ice cream. After all, most whey protein supplements taste better in milk than in water and whey protein is obtained by collecting the clear fluid (called whey) produced during the processing of cheese.

But let’s consider some of the following facts:

The enzymes necessary to break down and digest milk are renin and lactase. They are all but gone by the age of three in most humans.
There is an element in all milk known as casein and there is three hundred times more casein in cow’s milk than in human’s milk. Casein coagulates in the stomach and forms large, tough, dense, difficult-to-digest curds that are adapted to the four-stomach digestive apparatus of a cow. Once inside the human system, this thick mass of goo puts a tremendous burden on the body to somehow get rid of it.
Unfortunately some of this gooey substance hardens and adheres to the lining of the intestines and prevents the absorption of nutrients into the body.
The most serious difficulty with milk consumption is the formation of mucus in the system. This mucus coats the mucous membranes and also seriously affects absorption.
To fully understand why whey protein supplements should not be mixed with milk, this knowledge should be combined with a review of the technology that goes into high quality whey protein supplements. Whey protein isolate, a highly separated fraction found only in top quality products, is very expensive and has an extremely high bioavailability (meaning it is very easily utilized by the body) because its particle sizes are so small. Whey protein concentrate has also gone through a huge amount of separation from the original starting material and the major waste product in this procedure is casein. This casein is then sold to other companies which produce low grade products. If you were to check out the ingredients on your favorite pudding desert, for example, you will likely see sodium caseinate because it is a cheap product that provides substance.

The idea behind a high quality whey protein is particle size. Digestion is most effective when particles are small enough to be taken up by the cells of the intestine. If food is not broken down into small enough pieces the body will simply NOT be able to use it. All research on the absorption of food reaches the same conclusion: the bigger the molecule, the more difficulty it has penetrating the mucus barrier lining the intestines.

So, why not mix milk and whey protein? Milk contains a lot of casein which adheres to the intestinal wall and blocks the absorption of the smaller whey protein molecules. Also, it generates a barrier of mucus internally which not only drives down the absorption of protein, but also the absorption of other vital nutrients.

The solution? Mix your whey protein in water, your favorite juice or a non-lactose beverage such as soy milk and benefit as much as possible from your protein supplement.

 

[halfaclue]

I know someone else said this but I haven't seen the answer. I'm not disagreeing but just asking...What about those Zero Carb/Zero Fat proteins? Like Isopure or Isoplex or whatever it is called? Are those a waste of money or are they really that less effective?

 

[alltraps]

what about guys that compete?? they eat virtually no fat at all when in comp prep, yet seem to maintain mass while cutting. doesnt this imply that the protein they ingest with carbs is definately being absorbed and utilized?

 

[Citruscide]

The alcoholic content of alcohol, "beer" as it is called in unscientific terms... is far more likely to cause the storage of fat than say... unalcoholic beverages such as dihydrogen oxide -- commonly referred to in the "unscientific" community as "Water" or "H2o".

Now buy my new supplement... guaranteed to make you not gain fat... Dihydroxycut Oxide!

C-ditty

 

[Goldprospector]

hehehehe...all this shit is too funny to a guy who can look at milk and gain weight. Hell I think I can gain fat by drinking water.LOL
I'm still looking for something to get the fat off and keep the muscle that I have gained. Cardio just ain't helping enough...guess I gotta go for more. hehe

 

[anabolicmd]

Every day I hear about guys doing something that is dead wrong and it's time that it was addressed.

If you're mixing whey or egg white protein in water, you might as well flush it down the toilet.

Protein can not be absorbed without the presense of fat. Without fat, most of the protein will just be converted to glucose in minutes, so that suposedly super anabolic cocktail you think you're drinking is little more than a blast of sugar.

Whey and egg whites were never meant to be ingested alone. They are by-products of a more complete protein found in nature. And it's natural to have fat present when eating protein. And if you want size, it's absurd to mix protein with skim milk. Everyone is so afraid of the "saturated fat" in whole milk. It's a myth. Saturated fat has actually been shown to improve thyroid function. Fat is not the enemy. Laziness is.
Bodybuilders need fat. And they ESPECIALLY need it when taking in protein. Start mixing protein with whole milk and you'll be amazed how much more effective it is. Even the lactose in milk is good because it's a carb of animal origin and insulogenic. It's amazing how everyone wants to know what drugs to use when the same results can be acheived with food.

And it you're bulking, use Half&Half in your protein shakes. Don't let anyone tell you "It'll make you fat". You can't grow without extra calories. Keep the junk out of your diet, take protein and fat together, and train hard. It's the only way to grow.

Smartest post I ever read by Mr. Montana. Fat and carbs are absolutely necessary with protein, otherwise the body turns the pure protein into sugar pretty quickly. LK ow glycemic carbs, fiber and fat have to be ingested with the protein. Good stuff.