First of all for me to develop a great feeling from the ECA i need to take more than one serving of hydroxycut,xena, whatever you name it...plus im trying to mass...so when i return to working out i will not be utilizing these anymore as my goal from 190 to 210 continues! what do you guys take be4 you go to the gym if anything? also my friend uses CarboForce by ABB dont know if any of y'all used it and liked...or heard it was good...well thanks brothers....danks